posted on September 11, 2005 07:24:04 PM new
Wow, now there's a sad commentary on our country: to go in just two generations from going to all lengths to fight against genocide to contemplating doing it ourselves...
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posted on September 11, 2005 07:31:28 PM new
I've said it before (just ask Helen, she loves to bring it up) and I'll say it again. The Muslims WILL NEVER STOP. Things may calm down for a few decades, but it will never end. They will not stop until the entire world is Muslim or they are FORCED to stop.
Once again, this is a holy war, not a political dispute. There are only two ways to win a holy war; convert all the enemy or kill all the enemy.
The USA and Great Britain and the other GOOD GUYS will never stoop to genocide. Unfortunately, genocide is the only way to WIN this war. That's why I think in the long-term, we have serious problems ahead of us.
SHOULD Genocide be an option? No, we're better than they are. However, if you want to actually end the conflict forever, then that is the only option. It's a major dilemma.
The Christians seem to get a lot of guff for the Crusades. Remember, the whole point of the Crusades was to repel the invading Muslims who had conquered everything from India to Jerusalem way up through the middle of Spain. If not for the Crusaders, all of Europe (all of civilization basically) would have been Muslim by 1300. The Muslims were beaten back, and were quiet for centuries. But, the conflict obviously never really ended.
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posted on September 11, 2005 07:34:51 PM new
And now follows at least a dozen posts saying what a sick and hateful person I am. Keep in mind, however, that I am still right.
No one's ever asked what I'm majoring in at University... Dual majors in History and Religion. This IS my area.
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posted on September 11, 2005 08:01:14 PM new
I 100% agree, replay, they're not going to EVER stop trying to meet their goal. That's something those who have no concept of what pure evil really is can't grasp.
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Ron, I truthfully don't think a 'genocide' of sorts would be possible. Not the way this is coming down. Plus imo, there's not enough American's with the 'stomach' to do such a mass killing.
When push comes to shove, it'll be America that is destroyed because of our own moral values of what's right and what's wrong. And obviously the radical muslim cleric/terrorists don't share that same dilemma.
It's not like it's one or two whole countries we could drop the bomb on....they're scattered throughout the world....they mix themselves in with innocent muslims and everyday 'normal' people. They know we would never take out all the innocents, intentionally, just to get a few hundred/thousand of them. That puts us at a extreme disadvantage, but it always has.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on September 11, 2005 08:07:12 PM newPlus imo, there's not enough American's with the 'stomach' to do such a mass killing
Maybe not but you can be sure that Israel has the stomach for it and if they were to ever be attacked with WMD and they knew from what country it came from, they would nuke 'em in a heartbeat.
posted on September 11, 2005 08:12:07 PM new
I agree, piinthesky. And I would support them doing so too.
And maybe if the day ever comes when they do the same thing to us....more American's will join in agreement to using the 'genocide' option.
We did in Japan and we did it twice. It worked. But now things have changed and it's not PC to go after those who want to destroy all of us or our Nation. Too many liberal 'do-gooders' unwilling to protect us. They still believe they CAN be talked out of their goals. Most sensible people know that's just not going to happen.
posted on September 11, 2005 08:15:23 PM new
"Israel...they would nuke 'em in a heartbeat."
Nuke WHO exactly? As Linda said, Muslims are everywhere. Even if we did want to do genocide against the Muslims, it just isn't possible. There are Muslims right here in Ohio... I hope we don't nuke them
And I never said I advocated genocide. I said it was the only way to win, which is absolutely true. NOT the same thing at all.
And Mingo... the other side IS advocating genocide. You probably ought to decide which side you're on.
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posted on September 11, 2005 08:18:07 PM new
Replay, look at my post again. I said 'Maybe not but you can be sure that Israel has the stomach for it and if they were to ever be attacked with WMD and they knew from what country it came from, they would nuke 'em in a heartbeat.'
posted on September 11, 2005 08:19:24 PM new
I know which side I'm on, you racist pig, the side of what's right....I bet you guys would've really enjoyed the genocide of the Native Americans, did you love the genocide of the Jews, too....you people are the scum of the earth...
posted on September 11, 2005 08:20:05 PM new
". They still believe they CAN be talked out of their goals."
THIS is the biggest problem in Washington. The secular politicians of both parties just do not realize the power behind religion. Everything is a deal or a negotiation to them.
There is just nothing an earthly government can promise that can compare with eternal life with 74 virgins a day. And those poor, uneducated middle easterners believe that's exactly what they're going to get.
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posted on September 11, 2005 08:22:32 PM new
Isn't it amazing the posters who object to name calling but a little genocide is just fine and dandy (and fun) for them.
posted on September 11, 2005 08:23:51 PM new
PI, re-reading your post, I agree. They'd blast anyone who hit them first. The scary part about Israel is they aren't the type to wait to GET hit first, if you know what I mean
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posted on September 11, 2005 08:26:51 PM new
Your comparison is apples & oranges. Neither the native Americans nor the Jews had declared war on us or anyone else.
They were innocents. Muslims aren't.
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posted on September 11, 2005 08:28:55 PM new
Oh i know exactly what you mean Replay, afterall didn't the Israelis bomb a nuclear power plant under construction in Iraq some years ago?
posted on September 11, 2005 08:36:23 PM new
You know, replay, that's been an internal struggle of mine.
I have never been able to understand the thinking/reasoning from those who don't appear to believe the terrorists MEAN what they say.
I mean if they could personalize it to a loved one of theirs, would they not believe, just ignore say a crazy neighbor who keeps threatening to kill their child, their wife, or anyone they loved?
I can't believe they'd sit back and think you can negotiate with loonies. With people that are so determined to accomplish their goal that nothing....and I mean absolutely nothing else matters to them.
I can't understand how so many here, but American's in general too, don't see this threat in the same manner they would with a loved one.
I don't believe they'd just ignore it....or think they have the power to change that sicko's mind. And they'd just go about their normal day...not thinking about it.
<shaking my head here>
Anyone have an answer as to why this isn't taken seriously enough by some?
posted on September 11, 2005 09:01:30 PM new
""Neither the native Americans nor the Jews had declared war on us or anyone else.
They were innocents. Muslims aren't.""
Gawd you're dumb!
So history major, the Native Americans never declared war on anyone?
And people JUST like YOU demanded total genocide of Native Americans because they viewed them as a threat.
People JUST LIKE YOU demanded the slaughter of Jews because they viewed them as a threat.
And, all Muslims are NOT extremists. YOU advocate killing innocents.
posted on September 11, 2005 09:07:55 PM new
If Al Quida's is attempting to dominate the world, their chances are slim to none! Many through the course of history have tried, all to my knowledge have failed.
Genocide? that is ludicrous. There are many sects in the Muslim world who would gladly kill those of the same religion to promote
their own agenda. Which is illustrated by the struggle in Iraq between the Sunnis and the Shiites. Divide and Conquer!
posted on September 11, 2005 09:10:17 PM new
" the Native Americans never declared war on anyone? "
Not in the way you mean, and you know it.
"People JUST LIKE YOU demanded the slaughter of Jews because they viewed them as a threat."
I have no problem with Jews. Why would you think I do?
"And, all Muslims are NOT extremists. YOU advocate killing innocents."
I guess you really CAN'T read. Especially where I said we would never stoop to genocide.
And I've read the Quran. All good Muslims are SUPPOSED to kill the infidels in the name of Allah. The ones who aren't dangerous aren't good Muslims. "lip-service" Muslims don't worry me.
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posted on September 11, 2005 09:15:40 PM new
Yes, they are not allowed the spirited drink to touch their lips either. However, I was on an international flight once where several were drinking hard liquor through straws. To the point one was carried off the plane when it landed.
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posted on September 11, 2005 10:14:37 PM new
Ron - I'll agree to the genocide of all Islamic people based on a minute percents of highly publicized extremeists right after you agree to the genocide of all Catholics based on the minute percentage of highly publicized child molesters.
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posted on September 11, 2005 10:19:56 PM new
MO - just out of curiosity - how did you know their religion? I understand you may have recognized their ethnicity, but how do you know their religion, or sect?
I beginning to think there a whole side of observation that I am missing out on... We have people here that can look at a guy standing at a grill and know their immigration status, can look at someone sitting on a cot and know their previous work and financial status and no see a guy on a plane and know his religion. It's simply amazing!
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posted on September 11, 2005 10:28:08 PM new
Very Simple Sweetie Pie! One next me to was drinking out of those little airline bottles with straw, which I found to be peculiar. I then inquired why he was using a straw to drink with and he went on to explain what I previously mentioned.
posted on September 11, 2005 10:36:40 PM new
That's an interesting twist... because the Koran does not say that you cannot allow alcohol to touch your lips. It states that you shall not partake.
"O ye who believe! Intoxicants and Gambling, (Dedication of) stones, And (divination by) arrows, Are an Abomination – Of Satan's handiwork; Eschew such (abomination), That ye may prosper." [Al-Qur'an 5:90]
The teachings of Mohammad are a little clearer.
"God's curse falls on ten groups of people who deal with alcohol. The one who distills it, the one for whom it has been distilled, the one who drinks it, the one who transports it, the one to who it has been brought, the one whom serves it, the one who sells it, the one who utilizes money from it, the one who buys it and the one who buys it for someone else."
Your row mates were proof that any religion can be twisted to fit the desires of the member... see... even Muslims can be liberal.
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posted on September 11, 2005 11:00:03 PM new
That very well could be the case, That I was handed a line of BS. I haven't read the Koran nor am I inclined to do so. So I will take your word for it. The point of that statement was to bring light to the fact. That the doctrine of a religion and what the followers of that religion actually embrace can be vastly different.
posted on September 12, 2005 04:55:22 AM new
And you would have the absolute nerve to call yourselves Christians? Never mind. In the earliest days of Christianity, they were a murderous lot. Remember the holy war called the Crusades? This is just history repeating itself yet again.
I know some Muslims I am proud to call my friends. They would be the first at my side in time of need. What you suggest is not only a bigoted response to a problem not limited to Muslims, but a hateful and un-Christian-like one as well.
Edited to add: There are many similarities between the Muslim and Christian faiths. If you want to educate yourself, here's a good place to begin:
What Muslims say and do now is the measure of the political, cultural and military danger facing the West.
Most other religious developments around the world, such as the spread of Christianity in the Southern Hemisphere, have benign or nonviolent consequences.
However, the overwhelming political fact deriving from the ferment in Islam is that, to some degree, some percentage of Muslims are prepared to murder -- and are murdering -- great numbers in what they feel is their religious duty.
Many more Muslims are, to some degree, supportive or protective of these killers. Even more Muslims, while not supportive of such tactics, share many of the terrorists' religious convictions and perceptions.
Radical currents within Islam drive some Muslims to terrorism and push others at least to a more adversarial view of their relationship to non-Muslim nations and cultures in which they live -- whether in Paris, London, Hamburg, Rotterdam, or any American city.
The resurgence of a militant Islam drove the United States to fight two wars in Muslim countries in two years, disrupted America's alliance with Europe, caused the largest reorganization of the U.S. government in half a century (with the creation of the Department of Homeland Security), changed election results in Europe and threatened the stability of most governments in the Middle East.
This resurgence of militant Islam also drove America to pressure Saudi Arabia to change the way it teaches religion to its children and others (through madrasses) around the world. It forced America to pressure Indonesia, the Philippines, Pakistan and Somalia, among others, to change domestic security policies. It prompted America to build a ring of bases in Central Asia across what used to be the Muslim part of the Soviet Union.
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And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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