posted on August 27, 2005 02:24:49 PM newBombmaker Calls for Eradication of Israel
Aug 27 2:55 PM US/Eastern
By AMY TEIBEL
Associated Press Writer
JERUSALEM
Hamas militants released a videotape Saturday purportedly showing a bombmaker believed to top Israel's most-wanted list celebrating the Gaza Strip pullout as a victory for armed resistance.
Senior Hamas commander Mohammed Deif, who masterminded the deaths of dozens of Israelis in suicide bombings, also urged the destruction of the Jewish state.
It was the latest call for continued violence by Hamas officials as the group refocuses its armed struggle on the West Bank, where most of Israel's 246,000 settlers live.
"You are leaving Gaza today in shame," Deif said in comments directed toward Israel, which finished evacuating the last of its 21 Gaza settlements Monday. "Today you are leaving hell. But we promise you that tomorrow all Palestine will be hell for you, God willing."
In the tape, Deif praised the armed struggle against Israel. Hamas has killed hundreds of Israelis since violence resumed in 2000.
"We did not achieve the liberation of the Gaza Strip without this holy war and this steadfastness," he said, adding that attacks should continue until Israel is eradicated.
Israel's obliteration is Hamas' ultimate goal.
Deif, known for operating in the shadows, has eluded Israeli security forces for more than a decade, surviving at least two assassination attempts, including a 2002 missile attack in which he lost an eye.
There was no way to positively identify the figure on the videotape as Deif, because his face was in silhouette. He has been in hiding since 1992 and the only known photos of him were taken in the 1980s.
But the high quality of the video, which was stamped with the logo of the Hamas military wing, as well as the similarity of the voice to previous recordings indicated the tape was authentic. Hamas would not say when the tape was made. But it had boasted for nearly two weeks that Deif would make a public statement, and militants delivered the tape to The Associated Press offices in Gaza City. The group also posted a transcript of his comments on its Web site.
Gideon Meir, an Israeli Foreign Ministry senior official, said Deif's comments threatened to sour the climate of good will that the Gaza pullout created.
"The disengagement opened a prospect of hope for the Palestinian people and Mohammed Deif is trying to spoil the show," Meir said. "His declaration proves again why the Palestinian Authority must fulfill its duty and fight the Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades."
Separately, President Bush also called on the Palestinians to clamp down on militants after the Gaza pullout.
"The Palestinians must show the world that they will fight terrorism and govern in a peaceful way," Bush said in his weekly radio address Saturday.
Tawfiq Abu Khoussa, a spokesman for the Palestinian Interior Ministry, which oversees security in Palestinian-controlled areas, said Hamas remains committed to a cease-fire Israel and the Palestinians declared in February.
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note: another one in total denial of what the terrorists promise for the future.
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"It wasn't secret that a Hamas military wing in Gaza exists, and Mohammed Deif is still alive," he said. "All Palestinian factions are committed to the truce, including Hamas, and we see nothing new in Hamas' position toward the truce."
Hamas has scaled back its attacks since the truce declaration, but Israel says the group is using the lull to rearm.
Israel has said any resumption of peace talks would depend on Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas' disarming Hamas and other militant groups.
Deif's comments on continuing the armed struggle echoed those made by Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar shortly after the Gaza pullout began. Zahar credited the resistance with driving Israel out of Gaza and said the armed struggle now must move to the West Bank.
Although Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has hinted he would be willing to dismantle small, isolated Jewish settlements in the West Bank, he has made it clear that he sees the Gaza pullout as solidifying Israel's grip on major West Bank settlement blocs, where most Jewish settlers live.
With Palestinian parliamentary elections nearing, the Deif videotape also was Hamas' latest salvo in a power struggle between militants and the Palestinian government over who should receive credit for the Gaza withdrawal.
Hamas claims that years of suicide bombings and rocket attacks drove the Israelis out.
Abbas, a vocal critic of violence who aspires to renewing peace talks with Israel, has tried to shore up his standing with promises he can improve life in Gaza after the withdrawal.
In an open challenge to Abbas, Deif rejected calls to disarm, though he said differences between Palestinian groups should be resolved through peaceful dialogue.
"We warn against touching these weapons, and want to keep them as an effective element to liberate the rest of our homeland," he said. "We want to use dialogue to solve any differences in order to protect our Palestinian blood and our national achievement."
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2005 The Associated Press.
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 27, 2005 02:28 PM ]
posted on August 27, 2005 02:43:47 PM new
So what now, fenix, are you supporting the Hama terrorists? Are you implying that Sharon hasn't reached out in the name of bringing peace to his country?
Are you further trying to say that the Hama don't see this as a victory for them, rather than a way to bring peace? I sure don't. It appears to me that they're calling the Israeli's moving out as a VICTORY THEY brought about. Do you disagree with me on that issue?
And anyone who's read anything about the murders of innocent Israeli's can easily see it was brought about by the Hama's terrorists.
And the Hama terrorists were FUNDED BY SADDAM. Can you deny that fact too?
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 27, 2005 03:32:37 PM newAnd anyone who's read anything about the murders of innocent Israeli's can easily see it was brought about by the Hama's terrorists..
Well Linda,you do have to remember renniedix's logic here. Both sides behaving badly,(that said only to be appear fair and balanced), but then the real sentiment comes out: only one side is catching hell.
So what deaths of innocent Israeli's are you talking about? Oh! Sillyme. Do you refer to some on a bus, or in a school,or at a produce market? Silly silly me. Of course thats not innocent people catching any hell...that only happens to one side of the both sides behaving badly over there. ::eyeroll::
posted on August 27, 2005 03:39:25 PM new
fenix - Those weren't assumptions....those were QUESTIONS and I'd sure like to hear your answer to them.
Is there some reason you don't wish to answer them?
I think they're very fair questions....when you've always argued about most everything being Israel's fault....and the support I've taken from your posts for the Palestinians.
And then of course we just recently had you saying to us that the Hama group wasn't/didn't have any political power....that the Palestinians did.
Well...here we see it a little different than you do. At least it sure appears that way to me.
Answering the questions would help us all to understand how you think with their recent promis to eradicate Israel jives with your views on them not having power....strength...etc.
So they weren't going to be/or to interfer with this peace process Sharon's trying so hard [for decades] to work out.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 27, 2005 03:45:34 PM new
I know dbl, a big eyeroll from me too.
I will never understand why liberals [not normal dems] always appear to me to be so supportive of our enemies. Like in the area of Israel vs. the terrorists organizations...terrorists financial supports ...like saddam.
And many of them also appear to support the so-called reasoning behind Cuba/castro over our own American policies.
It makes me question are liberals or ultra liberals EVER on America's side? I sure don't see it here on any of these threads.
And I'm not sure why they think/feel that way. I'd never choose a communist leaders goals/agenda over our own country....and it's interests.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 27, 2005 03:56:10 PM new
Yes Linda - there is a reason - you and Dbl bore me today and since it does not actually matter what I say, you will twist, misinterpret, or completely misrepresent at will, why you two go ahead without me.
I mean, considering Dbls unhealthy obsession with me and my life, maybe she could play me and then you could could twist everything, include at least three references to "left leaning media" and "you liberals" and you could both end the evening happy.
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[ edited by fenix03 on Aug 27, 2005 03:58 PM ]
posted on August 27, 2005 04:02:24 PM new
Oh Go unplug something fenix. One single thing! I dare ya go 'head.
Look within young child. Invest five minutes of your day without 'zee incoming from some electronic device.... go master the art of interacting with another human in person!
posted on August 27, 2005 04:17:00 PM new
I've never seen you 'chicken' out like this fenix. You joining the 'I don't answer questions' leftie crowd now?
How sad. I don't twist what you say....kiara's our 'twister' but you especially can't say that when your don't have the courage of your own statements/convictions to even post your responses and THEN comment on how I took them.
I thought more highly of you than to run away from debate.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 27, 2005 05:03:14 PM new
Linda - I'm not "running from a debate. I'm turning my back on the asinine trend of behavior today. I'm turning my back on hypocrisy and stupidity and the psychotic rantings of your buddy. See Linda, you talk about me taking statements personally... but I never said that you were the one that is obsessed. That would be Dbl.
Yes Dbl dear.. You. You who cannot go a day without making some comment about my life. You who who has ranted just today about Kiara talking about something that you actually have nothing to do with that happened a year ago and then turns around and pulls an absolute misrepresentation of something I said... what five months ago.. out of thin air to bring it into an argument when it bears ZERO relevance. How amazingly sad that is. You are so desperate to make some negative reference towards me that you pull lies from thin air. Grow up little girl. You like the hated little brat on the on the playground that sits around spreading false rumors hoping that it will make her seem cool and somebody will like her.
Sorry Linda but I've my fill. Like I said, you guys can sit together and make up all the lies and misrepresentations your hearts desire because I'm done with it.
You can call it whatever you want but in your heart you know EXACTLY why I choosing to leave you two to your own accord.
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[ edited by fenix03 on Aug 27, 2005 05:41 PM ]
posted on August 27, 2005 06:09:02 PM newLike I said, you guys can sit together and make up all the lies and misrepresentations your hearts desire because I'm done with it.
Oh....so now asking you questions is considered by YOU to be LYING about something? I'd sure like to know what you believe I've lied about.
And for the record, I don't see anywhere that I've lied.
You can call it whatever you want but in your heart you know EXACTLY why I choosing to leave you two to your own accord.
Yes, I see it as doing so because you can't support the statements you've made today.
You NEVER back away from a debate. You'll argue/debate until you past out. This is very different for you.
And I do honestly believe it's because you can't support your statements.
I asked you QUESTIONS for heavens sake. How you get off taking that as lying I'll certainly never understand.
To be clear, I don't LIE. I'm not that type of person and I hold my honesty in high regard and others who I believe to be honest. It's an extremely important VALUE to me.
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 27, 2005 06:53:13 PM newGrow up little girl. You like the hated little brat on the on the playground that sits around spreading false rumors hoping that it will make her seem cool and somebody will like her...
oh for God's sake. Everything is like a movie to you in your mind! What a drama queen!
...an absolute misrepresentation of something I said...
An absolute misrepresention??? Of What? There was not one false thing said by me, nor any misrepresentation. Your own words are you own un-doing!!
Dont you dare put this on me, with your sick fantasy's involved.
The example about Schiavo was indeed relevant as further evidence of how YOU pull things "out of thin air" and profess they are true on this board to represent your position. And as usuall, they are as fictional as the movies in your DVD player. But when your argument is that weak, you just make stuff up and think that is supposed to suffice as if youve pulled the wool over somebody's eyes.
You call people that are older, more experienced in life, and obviously actually have "lived" more a real life than you can seem to manage at your young age, these condescending and emotionally bitterly charged - sweetie, little girl, and all these like names that makes you feel like you're something superior? Wtf are you? To me you're a jerky kid with no life other than this and whatever other media you can occupy yourself with. You may know alot of things about a lot of subjects, but you're still NOT THAT smart, and certainly not 1/10th as smart as me when it comes to sizing somebody up from their words. You dont have the brain nor the experience for it. And you dont get it from watching TV shows,ok? Furthermore, you have way too many disabilities to be picking at, and looking at somebody else's faults to conjure up some nemesis and label them as you feel like it. You dont get to be writer director and grip-boy of the players here, and get to tell people who they are supposed to be in your fantasy cast of characters play. Youre so cockey and arrogant of what you post most days "because you read it somewhere, or "pulled it off google" "that you just know" you even make the stupid swagger into a thread about a crime in PA, that it's, natch,.. gangs. -Gangs like they have in CA, right? And you so cant be wrong, then you even lie about BEING to Altoona PA. Now that, fenix, is what one calls pathetic.
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Aug 27, 2005 07:48 PM ]
posted on August 27, 2005 08:40:40 PM new
Double, I like how when you're telling people off you always bring up how you're smarter in certain areas than they are. Like this - "You may know alot of things [you intimidate me] about a lot of subjects, but you're still NOT THAT smart [compared to me], and certainly not 1/10th as smart as me when it comes to sizing somebody up from their words [sizing people up from their words is a great character trait which you lack]. You dont have the brain [like I do] nor the experience for it [us fossils know more than younger people]."
posted on August 27, 2005 08:43:11 PM new
Yes, kraft, I know you like everything I write, you've told me that before, remember, ya old fossil?
But unlike most on this board, I dont go around telling people what they lack, what this lacks, what you need to do or why you need to know you got cancer caddy-shack shellaq routine. I only talk about what I know that I do have [that they cant compare to] like by putting things in brackets.
[ edited by dblfugger9 on Aug 27, 2005 08:48 PM ]
times 100!