posted on July 10, 2001 11:28:25 AM
I doubt that the police focus is or was on whether or not the two slept together. There's no crime in that. Police, in general, investigate crime, and they investigate to see if there has been a crime. So far, there has not been a determination that a crime has taken place despite the conclusion, conviction, and execution of Condit by members of the press and this forum.
posted on July 10, 2001 02:09:20 PM
CONDIT 'KINKY SEX'
By NILES LATHEM and KATE SHEEHY
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July 10, 2001 -- The flight attendant who says she and Rep. Gary Condit were lovers has told cops that before Chandra Levy disappeared, the congressman appeared to be engaging in bizarre, kinky sex with someone.
"There were neckties tied together underneath [Condit's] bed as if someone had been tied up in bed," flame-haired stewardess Anne Marie Smith said, according to her attorney.
Lawyer Jim Robinson, in an interview aired last night on the Fox News Channel, added, "She also told me that Condit had some peculiar sexual fantasies that a normal heterosexual male would not have.
"Near the end of their relationship, things started to disturb Anne Marie," he said.
"She saw other things of a sexual nature that she would have nothing to do with, and then this woman [Levy] disappears. She was terrified . . .
"She was very afraid for her life at this point."
The chilling report came as police probers refused to rule out the possibility that Condit had something to do with Levy's disappearance.
D.C. Executive Assistant Police Chief Charles Gainer said cops plan to search Condit's apartment - taking him up on an offer made yesterday by his lawyer, Abbe Lowell, to cooperate fully, even with a police search.
Police Chief Charles Ramsey added that conducting a lie-detector test on Condit is not out of the question.
"Nothing can be ruled out now . . . [because] you know that until that question of what happened to her [is answered] and we find her one way or the other, we're going to have to continue to trace and retrace steps," Ramsey said.
Levy's distraught parents have been demanding that the married 53-year-old California congressman - who only recently admitted to having an affair with the 24-year-old intern - submit to a lie-detector exam.
A drained Susan Levy, Chandra's mom, urged Condit to take the polygraph test, "to help us find our daughter and bring her home back to us alive."
Apparently referring to Condit's denial of an affair in a phone call immediately after Levy's disappearance, the mother said, "There are certain things Mr. Condit did not come forth . . . I caught him in a specific lie . . . I don't feel he's been very truthful to me."
The Levys' lawyer, Billy Martin, said on CNN's "Larry King Live" last night that the parents want the polygraph because "they have no confidence in the word of Congressman Condit. His credibility is suspect, and they just want some assurance that now he's telling the truth. When it began, he did not."
Lowell said he would be "willing to discuss" a polygraph test for Condit, although earlier in the day, he said, "Basically, there's no need for it."
The Levy family has claimed there are several serious discrepancies in Condit's story:
* Condit told Mrs. Levy when they met last month that he last spoke to her daughter April 24 or 25. He later told cops that the time he spoke to her was April 29. She disappeared April 30.
* When Mrs. Levy first talked to Condit, seeking help finding Chandra, she'd asked him about the nature of relationship, and he told her it was professional. But Friday, he came clean to probers and confessed it was sexual.
* Condit has insisted he was not aware of anything that would cause her to go missing. But Chandra's aunt said she got a phone message from the young intern the day before she disappeared, telling her, "I really have some big news or something important to tell. Call me."
The above story does seem to be "over the top" and printed for sensational purposes only. Whether or not he played sex games doesn't seem relevant to me.
Meanwhile, many Condit critics have been saying that if he lied about one thing, he may be lying about other things.
I'm wondering if the flight attendant has the same credibility problem: She's been telling people she's 39.
If the above article is posted in it's entirety, we would ask that you edit
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As for the article being run in its entirety, this seems like selective enforcement to me. Many, many times I have seen the same posters post articles in their entirety and neither you nor the other moderators say a word. I'm not the first person to make this observation.
WOMD it if you like. I'm not going to edit it or paraphrase it. I don't have the time or the interest..
Since that famous speech is possibly copyright, I have to ask you to edit and provide a link.
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RE: What Bush Wants YOU to Forget
Posted by joice on January 1, 2001 03:18:00 PM krs, If that article is copyright please edit most of it out or provide a link. I don't care if this person is being quoted or not but there is one very very distasteful word in that artic
RE: Mr. BUSH, Have You No Shame??
Posted by joice on November 11, 2000 11:05:03 AM
krs and everyone,
Please remember that providing snipits of an article is okay, otherwise please provide a link to an article.
posted on July 10, 2001 09:26:53 PM
The police want Condit to submit to a lie detector test but they reiterated Condit is not a suspect in Levy's disappearance.
posted on July 10, 2001 10:10:21 PM
Yeah. And now DNA and a search of his home. It's called media frenzy and public and private pressure on police from on high.
I even saw an article that caled for bush to do something about the 'inadequate' DC police. Maybe he could become mayor, or the king of Washington.
posted on July 10, 2001 10:18:09 PM"The chilling report came as police probers refused to rule out the possibility that Condit had something to do with Levy's disappearance."
It's not the police probers making any accusations that Condit had something to do with Levy's disappearance, it's the media probers who have done that [Enquiring Foxnews wants to know!]
It is not established that Chandra Levy is dead.
It is not established that any foul play has been done.
I am truely saddened to see in print another Democrat smeared about his sexual activities and proclivities. Do Republicans really get that much of a bang out of hearing about someone else's sexual thrills? They sure got a lot of mileage out of Clinton and his oral sex job -- wait until they REALLY run Condit through the wringer about what he sexually likes and doesn't like -- even if it turns out to be untrue.
posted on July 10, 2001 11:16:14 PMBorillarI am truely saddened to see in print another Democrat smeared about his sexual activities
If a missing person is being investigated and someone close to that person starts making conflicting statements, and changing their story the police are going to investigate that. If the person is a public figure the press is going to report that.
Chandra Levy is missing, and Gary Condit has made statements that have been contradicted by himself and others.
When politicians start lying to investigators, committing perjury, or obstruct justice that's when they get the 'snowball' effect. Condit could have come forward and told all he knew about her and been completely candid with the investigators and Chandra's parents, he choose a different approach that doesn't appear to be working.
There is also some obstruction of justice questions that have come up in regards to Anne Marie Smith's statements.
I won't watch wrestling, but I will watch a professional boxing match. I don't read the Enquirer, but I do read the newspapers and wire service reports. This is an interesting story as it slowly unfolds. Apparently you found it of some interest or you wouldn't have started the thread, and you do have the option of locking it.
posted on July 11, 2001 12:18:01 AM
Perjury indeed. Do you hope that this results in your long list of politicians who are democrats and comparable to all of the notorious republican criminals growing to two?
posted on July 11, 2001 01:37:42 AM
Condit did not lie to the police. He lied to Mrs. Levy, Chandra's mother.
This is a crime? If someone's mother asked me if I was sleeping with her daughter I'd say no if only because I would not be sure what my lover had told her mother. I would assume that it was an important issue to the mother, and if it was afternoon I'd realize that the daughter must not have given answer to the same question or I'd never have been asked.
She speaks to her landlord about cancelling her lease in case she moves in with her boyfriend.
Her job with the Bureau of prisons ends. She did not work for Condit.
She leaves a message mentioning 'big news' on her aunt's machine.
She says goodbye to Condit. Whatever had been between them was over.
She was last seen at her health club. Fine. Where is the mention that she cancelled her membership there at that time?
She calls her mother and speaks of deals on flights with SW airlines.
Four days later her parents call the police.
Sounds to me like she was leaving town, and was happy about it.
Where's the crime? Where's the lying? Where's the perjury? Conflicting statements? You mean he told the paper something different than what her mother says he told her? Let's not all guffaw together. The police have not released any such statements at all. Oh, there was a 'police source' who did. Maybe the night janitor?
posted on July 11, 2001 02:16:31 AMkrsNo, uaru, you don't read the news, you read the opinions about the news.
Wrong krs, I read the news and I know the difference between news and editorials. I rarely read the editorials or the opinions and I doubt you'll find a single link of mine that leads to an editorial. I hadn't see the opinion you refer to. If I quote an article I always give a link.
As far as the perjury goes Anne Marie Smith's lawyer stated in an interview, "The man has asked my client to suborn perjury."
As far as lying to the police. During a third interview with Washington police on Friday, Condit acknowledged the affair, according to a source familiar with the investigation. I can only assume that Condit and the police talked about the weather the first 2 interviews or the nature of their relationship was never asked.
As far as the obstruction of justice charges I believe I gave a link in earlier post about Anne Marie Smith headed to Washington to talk with the Feds.
Yes, Chandra Levy might be on a beach somewhere having a great time, and if that is the case great. I do think that Condit will have serious problems from the Anne Marie Smith allegations if they prove to be true.
posted on July 11, 2001 02:29:08 AM
You put a lot of stock in an unsubstantiated claim, I'd say. The stewardesses lawyer SAYS! He says! She says! Lets see some proof before flinging out such as you did above.
You can't say that this stewardess's timing isn't a bit convenient for her, now can you?
Go back to my account of the line of people in Tahoe holding their necks. We've all seen this before, eh? Someone named Tripp cpmes to mind. How many ghostwriters do you think the stewardess's lawyer has lined up ready to sign?
As for the police..try to remember that the police did not say when he acknowledged any sexual nature to the relationship. They did release that after the third interview, and the newspapers assumed that that meant that the issue had come forth in the third interview. Police are so distressingly reticent when they investigate, aren't they? THEY should be investigated for their failure to adequately feed the republican thirst for filth, true or not.
posted on July 11, 2001 02:52:20 AMkrsYou put a lot of stock in an unsubstantiated claim, I'd say
No I don't feel so, I do think there are enough questions being raised that a close look is necessary. Apparent so do some others as the investigation is still going on. If you look at my last line in my last post I'll place in bold some key words.
I do think that Condit will have serious problems from the Anne Marie Smith allegations if they prove to be true.
Tell me something krs (without going into a democratic or republican diatribe.) Do you believe they should dismiss the allegations from Smith or investigate them? Yes or No?
posted on July 11, 2001 03:58:04 AM
Condit isn't getting any breaks as more info becomes public. By contrast it seems that Anne Marie Smith can prove that he did call her.
July 11th, NY Post articleBy yesterday evening, cops had already scoured Condit's cell-phone records - and the news may not be good for the California Democrat. The records showed that Condit placed several calls to flight attendant Anne Marie Smith in late May, during the time she says he tried to convince her to sign a false affidavit denying they were lovers. Condit has denied that he tried to get her to lie.
posted on July 11, 2001 04:28:24 AM
She was probably already trying to blackmail him.
Look, I made a few calls and now know where Chandra is. She's at a secret CIA training center now, fulfilling her lifelong dream. This kid wore her junior police uniform and badge to high school, for crying out loud. Condit greased the wheels for her and that's all.
The aunt is completely full of it. She apparently embellishes her part in Chandra's life each time a new reporter calls. It's almost understandable as she's an aging woman living out her bleak life in one of the bleakest parts of this state and must relish the attention that this has drawn to her. No doubt it's the most excitement that she's ever had. Yesterday she had Chandra planning marriage to Condit in five years and having children soon after that.
That any of these people are given credence at all is amazing.
If that's what you call a newspaper, uaru, you might as well read the Enquirer. Probably more reliable and certainly nowhere near as partial.
posted on July 11, 2001 04:56:47 AMkrsThat any of these people are given credence at all is amazing.
hmmm... maybe they've gotten bad feeling about Condit's credibility, is that possible?
I smiled at how one investigator expressed to MSNBC his frustrations at getting straight answers. Condit had talked with the cops twice before, but both times they’d come away disappointed by his evasive answers. One frustrated investigator called the congressman’s slippery responses “Clintonesque.”
posted on July 11, 2001 05:29:46 AM
But that's not true. The police are not releasing any such little cutesy personal reactions-the media yokels are making them up out of their frustration. The chief of police is keeping a pretty tight reign over any releases.
However, if you want to, you could drive up there, hang around on the courthouse steps, and quietly let it out that you are an 'investigator'. As you would be curious that would not be a falsehood. You'd have mikes in your face in seconds and several attractive offers of lunch.
posted on July 11, 2001 07:34:30 AMThe Washington Post reported that the news crews aren't exactly welcome at the Condit home in California.
A member of the Ceres (pronounced "series" ) police department told a Post reporter that Chad Condit -- a top aide to Gov. Gray Davis and a potential candidate for the state assembly -- swerved toward the journalists on quiet Acorn Lane, barely missing the crew. The cops yesterday declined to provide us with the police report, claiming it's not a public document because no charges are being filed...
I do feel for the family, it has to be hell to be drafted onto Jerry Springer so to speak. The kid can't enjoy seeing this happen to his father. I could probably react the same way.
posted on July 11, 2001 10:13:35 PM
If Chandra Levy wanted to get revenge on Condit for breaking off whatever kind of a relationship that they had, it's working.
posted on July 12, 2001 08:01:57 PM
A report out tonight, albeit in the National Enquirer, says that Chandra Levy was pregnant at the time of her disappearance. Apparently the report is not being immediately dismissed by the major news agencies.
