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posted on July 13, 2001 04:09:06 PM
You mean not the FBI, but in any case those people are all licensed. The main reason that a person would chose to have an indeendent administer the test would be to avoid the many influences that might be worked upon the employees of a federal agency, which employees are not subject to state certification.
posted on July 13, 2001 04:20:56 PM"But Borillar, there were neckties knotted up under his bed."
I snatched this quote, 'cause it was handy and I wanted to ask:
Do you think Smith, who if my understanding of the timelines in this is correct, would have even had an opportunity to look under his bed?
Also, don't you think it odd that she would look under the bed, see neckties tied together and then when she heard Levy was missing, she became afraid for her on life???? Seems like a "quantum leap" to me. Then, maybe she wasn't ready for a kissoff from Condit and in a jealous rage went to his apartment, checked the closets, laundry and looked under the bed....then, Levy disappears. See, I can write my spin on it as well as the next person. Only, I'll admit, I am blowing hot air. How many others are?????
I said early on, I don't care much for people who use there jobs/positions to meet the "high profile" people and later run to the press (or have their lawyers run to the press) for a "tell all" exclusive! I use the term "press" quite loosley!!!!
Be watching for the book and perhaps a movie "deal".....
What is truly tragic is how easily John Q. Public, "buys" it! Seems there are those that truly love a "scandal".
Who's rules? I heard the press announcement on KGO while I was in the car. It detailed Condit's full proactive response in this matter since the day that the mother called him. He called in the FBI, he worked with them concerning the advisability of an award offer and then offered one out of pocket. He invited the police into his DC home for their first interview during which the police were free to inspect anything they liked in the house. It went on the relate the fact that in spite of his concerns and full cooperation in all ways neither the media nor the AW posters at large ever gave consideration to those things but continued to hound him at every turn.
posted on July 13, 2001 05:13:20 PM
Interesting comments from the police chief on the news as to his view of the validity of Condit's personal polygraph test.
I'm getting the impression that Condit won't agree to a polygraph test conducted by the investigators.
posted on July 14, 2001 10:44:30 AM"Lowell said the test was administered by Barry D. Colvert, a polygraph expert who Lowell said teaches FBI officials how to administer the tests and has been used by the government in a number of high-profile espionage cases."
I'm satisfied about the qualifications of the poligrapher administering the test. Colvert is hardly going to jeopardize his career just to satisfy some political mischeif.
"No sooner had Lowell admonished reporters about prying into Condit's private life than he was asked about allegations by flight attendant Anne Marie Smith that the congressman asked her to sign a statement denying a 10-month affair she says they had."
What nonsense is this going on? Condit does a comeback, so now there is going to be a focus on the flight attendant?
"Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., who has called for Condit's resignation, ``The evidence is more than sufficient that there has been an effort by a member of Congress to impede a lawful investigation,'' Barr said. ``That warrants an official inquiry.''"
Uh, huh. That explains it. That Ku Klux Klan loving Nazi Party member of the "Get Clinton" gang has opened his mouth again. We can dismiss this whole thing for the absolute nonsense that it has all been.
UBB
[ edited by Borillar on Jul 14, 2001 11:15 AM ]
posted on July 21, 2001 04:29:59 PM
Looks like Dick Cheney and Condit were in a private meeting on Capitol Hill when Chandra signed off her computer for the last time....
posted on July 21, 2001 05:56:37 PM
You can try to defend Condit all you want, but the fact remains that he hindered an investigation by withholding information, and may have tried to obstruct justice by asking the flight attendant to lie for him.
I don't like Republicans, but that doesn't mean Democrats get a free ride.
Bob Barr may be a jerk, but he did not make Condit wait 67 days before admitting he had an affair with Chandra Levy.
posted on July 21, 2001 06:53:01 PM
And anyways, Condit is more of a "republican" Democrat. What they call a "conservative" Democrat, if there is such a thing. Didn't y'all notice how long it took for the Republicans to start howling for his blood? And the Barr thing is just to keep up "appearances". He didn't really mean it.
I think that Condit can honestly say he doesn't know what happened to Chandra. Because he doesn't. Because he had someone else take care of her. And told them not to tell him. I think on that last day that she went to meet someone that she was familiar with. I think it was someone close to Condit. I also think there's something to the "biker" connection. It would surprise me if her body is ever found. And if this mystery is ever solved, it will be 10 or 15 years down the road when some minor Hells Angel player rolls over to try to get a deal for some charge he faces. It will be too late then. But there's definitely a biker connection in it.
KatyD
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[ edited by KatyD on Jul 21, 2001 06:54 PM ]
My apologies if I sounded like I was defending him....my posts to this thread clearly confer the opposite.
I thought I'd bump the thread up as it has been languishing in recent days and the story is of local interest in my area.
By keeping his name front and center regarding Chandra's disappearance and taking him to task, as you mentioned, for his circumspect dissemination of the truth, hopefully we can get him out of office on the next go-round...it's time for some fresh ideas in our district...
It's going to be tough when well-known local conservatives are holding fund-raisers for him....I believe I posted that to this thread as well...
posted on July 21, 2001 10:58:54 PM
Condit was in a meeting with Cheney, the vice pres. at the time she logged off her computer. That was how he arranged for the CIA, through bush, to take her to Zimbabwe to be sold into slavery where she is now. After he left Cheney he returned to his office where several people have verified that he stayed the remainder of the day. By then Levy was in the air, in pressurized cargo aboard Air force Two.
By the way, the minister has recanted the story of his daughter's fall from grace with Condit. He's a liar.
posted on July 22, 2001 12:08:02 AM
I hope he gets the death penalty.
After all, he's guilty of having initiated federal involvement in the investigation of this disappearance. He's also guilty of, after consultation with the FBI, having issued a reward for information leading to the discovery of the woman's whereabouts.
These are clearly indications that he has murdered her and should be put to death.
In even more compelling circumstances unrelated in any way to the murder, he did not admit to an affair with the subject woman when asked about that specifically by her mother. Why yes, he has committed the crime of not mentioning that aspect until questioned about it in a formal investigation by the jurisdictional police agency.
posted on July 22, 2001 05:27:31 AM
I agree with KatyD on this one.
I don't believe he personally dirtied his hands, but his biker friends, brother (just arrested yesterday, or anyone else who supports him could have. Yesterday on the news it was reported that someone in his CA office *may* have been involved and they were calling for all of his staff to be interviewed by the DC police.
After listening to what's in the media, I think Chandra left with someone she knew.
This man appears to have lead a 'secret' double life for a very long time. Good upstanding congressman, family man on one side and multi-adulterer on the other side.
In the last couple of days a man walking his dog came forward to say he saw Condit throwing away some trash in a VA. dumpster. Called the police and they found a watch box that they've now traced to a CA woman who admitted to having an affair with him, and be the giver of the watch. I find it strange that a couple of days before the police are coming to search his home (7-9 weeks too late), he's going out of his area to throw trash away. Makes me suspicious about what he threw away from the start.
On the minister recanting his story. Could be he lied, but I think it more likely his daughter has somehow convinced him her life may be in danger and so he changed his story to protect her.
As far as the polygraph goes, with this expert, it's my belief that the way the questions are worded would make a difference in the 'truthful' answers. And I'm sure the FBI would ask more than three questions of him.
I do hope Chandra's parents find some peace in their lives soon. This just has to be the hardest thing for a parent to go through....not knowing what happened to their daughter.
posted on July 22, 2001 06:27:41 AM
He didn't have to throw anything away, the first police interview was held at his washington home and the police had free access to take it away for him.
Right, seventeen guys in colors rode across country and arrived at levy's apartment at one in the afternoon. They took her for a ride into the desert and killed her by strangulation with knotted together Condit campaign bumper stickers. All of this was organized by his criminal brother, not the brother who is a police officer in Modesto, ca, but this one http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/darrellcondit010719.html
who has had warrants in two states issued against him before levy disappeared but clearly was not arrested for anything to do with levy.
Your communications fail to reach your target because you are not being forthright or direct. You leave too much to supposition and reading your posts is like deciphering a riddle.
It's very much like some posters who leave little emoticons for me with frowns or disgusting faces. I just assume that speech has failed them since their response has no substance.
Are you afraid to say exactly what you mean or is this just an ineffective style that you have acquired? If your goal is to communicate effectively, I suggest that you cut out the oblique comments and just say what you mean.
posted on July 22, 2001 08:07:40 AM
Phil Condit - no, I don't think they'd be suspecting him.
He didn't have to throw anything away, the first police interview was held at his washington home and the police had free access to take it away for him. Well, he did throw it away and it was recovered....leading to the other CA woman. And on the first interview, free access??? I doubt the question came up, but then we don't know what information the DC police had at that time. I'm sure the police didn't see a need for a search warrant or to ask his permission at that point.
I believe he's innocent until proven guilty. It's interesting to follow the developing saga though. But from all we're hearing about this 'double life' he's lead it does raise my doubts and suspicions about his character, and his possible involvement. It seems funny to me that when Clinton was facing the media, Condit was telling the press Clinton should come forward and explain it to the people......and now he's doing exactly the oposite.
Condit's lack of willingness to take another polygram (with the FBI) and the DC police asking him to come in for a fourth interview (to straighten up a few dates/time frames that aren't jiving) etc. is interesting. If he's not a suspect, the DC police sure are spending a lot of time and money on this case compared to the other two DC intern cases that were similiar to this.
Think he'd have been better off to do as he advised Clinton to do. Should have addressed the public, pointed his finger and said, "I did not have an affair with that woman..." I think his total public silence has just increased the curiosity of many.
Or WAS IT fun? Nah! I prefer tending to my flowers....
How are you doing? Is that elbow any better?