coyote0
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posted on January 3, 2001 06:02:54 AM new
LEAVING!
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driley43
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posted on January 3, 2001 06:02:58 AM new
I would stay if they would do away with bidding on your placement (so called featuring) but don't see that happening so will be leaving. As for Jack what's his name I would think it would be hard to sell his so called high quality items if the rest of us pull out as bidders like to compare and their will be no one to compare his prices to when he's all alone.
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jozi
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posted on January 3, 2001 06:14:16 AM new
Count me in for the big goodbye! Yahoo is my main place for auctioning off my goods! My items are popular but they interest a narrow market segment and therefore sit longer while waiting for the right buyer to come along. I never have had deadbeats in my category, and sell my auctions so low that there is no way I can afford a listing fee.
Yahoo can come back into my picture if they go for a FVF instead of listing fee.
Jozi
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jumpup
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posted on January 3, 2001 06:38:46 AM new
HEY JackWolfe_____ we have currently 262 auctions running at yahoo and less then 50 at ebay ouy user id at yahoo is ( arealmess ) go look! we have stuff priced to sell from 3.50 BIN all the way up to 100.00 .face it! its not the junk people are listing or not that alot are listing but the site has hardly regulars that will bid.we will be furced to end or auctions as we would go broke listing that much stuff with as little that sells at yahoo.if it was a .10 across the board listing fee we would give it some time .but at this point yahoo is forceing us out!GOOD GOING YAHOO! YOUR FOWLLING THE SAME DISMAL ATTIDUDE EBAY HAS .........GONE SOON
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VeryModern
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posted on January 3, 2001 06:39:42 AM new
When relisting this week and adjusting shipping costs to reflect the increase, I have had to lower the prices on many things to make them "buyable". IOW - I have just taken a dollar off the price of virtually everything I list, and so my profit takes a haircut.
I was trying to stay viable, but...
Sales are soft, margins low and really there is no room to pay all these pipers.
I am going to sell the occasional whatzit, and that's it.
I told you those new huge USPS mail trucks were going to be driving around rattling because they're going to be empty.
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yankeejoe
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posted on January 3, 2001 06:40:56 AM new
I post quite a few items a month that take a few relistings to sell sometimes. I can't justify paying ebay sized fees when I don't get ebay sized traffic. Back to ebay for me. It was great while it lasted.
Yahoo, if you're listening: You don't have the bidder base to justify a listing fee.
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enchanted
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posted on January 3, 2001 06:45:37 AM new
I will stay.
It would be nice if the fees were split between listing and final value fees instead of just listing fees. I don't think it's a bad thing to have some listing fee.
I don't list much on Yahoo though and will continue to just sell here and there on yahoo but I intend to stay and use Yahoo for the long run.
JMHO
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cin131
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posted on January 3, 2001 07:07:24 AM new
I dont' get it. Ebay has their commercials at the top of the pages, does yahoo? I don't think they do, but it's been awhile since I've been to YAHOO. If not, why dont' they try that? Not that it would make a big difference, since EBay has them, and still charges us fees.
Yahoo is completely out of the picture now for my auctions. THere wasn't much traffic, but I could relist forever, until something sold. Ebay has SO MUCH more traffic. maybe YAHOO should just try to get more traffic, somehow.
Oh well cya YAHOO
cindy
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sadie999
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posted on January 3, 2001 07:23:38 AM new
Absolutely leaving. For everything everyone mentioned: no traffic, excessive deadbeatism.
Also, not that I'm an eBay cheerleader, but in comparison, Yahoo's "support" is basically non-existent.
I may also take advantage of this last free window, but since I was taking a few weeks off, I may not. I've had terrible results with Yahoo in comparison to the other site, and my time is my time whether the listings are free or not.
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hawkwand
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posted on January 3, 2001 07:24:18 AM new
I'm going to www.AAANDS.com where listing is free. What the heck? It's just as dead as Yahoo.
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CharlieOne
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posted on January 3, 2001 07:33:49 AM new
I have almost 200 auctions currently listed on Yahoo! Auctions alone. They all will end tomorrow evening, and so will my listing items on Yahoo! Auctions. Even though I could relist them prior to the 10th, I will not. I realize not everyone has the ability to walk away from a site that ignores our pleas, or fails to correct problems, that are impacting our sales. But I'm out of there. I will list on the other free sites and maybe help them to improve traffic to their sites.
I know it is not easy, but if you are able to do so. The best message you can send to Yahoo! Auctions, for their lack of respect for our suggestions, (while at the same time putting fees on us), is to close down all of your auctions when they expire. If a massive number of sellers withdraw and go elsewhere, the impact on Yahoo! Auctions will surely show them the error of their ways. If it doesn't, I feel, they will get what they deserve. Just watch their stock then.
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[ edited by CharlieOne on Jan 3, 2001 07:53 AM ]
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aw1234
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posted on January 3, 2001 07:50:30 AM new
I'm gone. I could have lived with FVF's.
Yahoo has no support and plenty of deadbeats. Btw, Yahoo stock holders on yahoo msg boards are raving about the new auctions fees.. ie, they think it will prop up their falling stock price..
Teal
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CharlieOne
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posted on January 3, 2001 07:55:30 AM new
Looks like they are willing to go down in the boat too.
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ultraman187
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posted on January 3, 2001 07:56:49 AM new
[ edited by ultraman187 on Jan 3, 2001 08:04 AM ]
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djaythree
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posted on January 3, 2001 08:00:23 AM new
I'll be going. I can't pay a fee to list a 10-cent common sports card.
I could go along with a final value fee, like everyone else, but not a listing fee - Yahoo doesn't have the traffic to justify a listing fee.
If Yahoo doesn't change their minds, I probably will stop accepting PayDirect for closed auctions as well. Hate to, since that's the only online payment service I accept, but why do that if I don't use their auction service?
Michael
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jwoodcrafts
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posted on January 3, 2001 08:08:39 AM new
Probably leaving.
Contrary to what a lot of people post here, my sales these past few months have increased, not decreased. However, I don't sell enough to pay listing fees. If I have to pay a listing fee it will be to Ebay. At least over there I have a better chance of making a sale.
I may list some of my items that usually sell a time or two and just see how it goes, but I am definately going to start looking for another free listing site.
Now...where is Gold's when you need it? It might have taken off if it had stuck it out just a little bit longer.
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first."---Mark Twain
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civphoto
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posted on January 3, 2001 08:12:32 AM new
Actually, had Yahoo started the fees a year ago when traffic was decent, they probably could have gotten away with it. But the new Yahoo Auction folks (I wonder if they were hired from Amazon after putting that auction site in the dumper) have taken what was once a good, solid auction site and done their best to kill it with jumbled listings, etc. I used to sell about 20% as much on Yahoo as I did on ebay, but that has slowly dwindled to nothing. Really a shame to have taken such a slick auction site and driven most of the traffic away.The economics are simple - if there's no traffic, no one will pay for listings. I certainly wish the site well, but I would guess that it's headed the same way as Amazon auctions - to neverneverland.
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pyth00n
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posted on January 3, 2001 08:13:05 AM new
I had just started a major new push expanding "first bid wins" listings with advertising them with more featured listings including true auctions. My sales were looking rather nice the last week or two as my selection was increasing.
Listing fees will kill my profit and incentive to do the substantial work necessary. I'm stopping my listing expansions (which I was increasing as recently as midnight last night!) in order to do relists at reduced sale prices, immediately. I'll keep plugging here but regard it as again experimental as to which material can sell for how much and with which style.
I wouldn't mind paying a percent for actual sales, that'd be fine. If Yahoo wants to run spammers and TOS violators away, they should assign an employee or two to pull the plug with assertive account deletions of the abusers. All they'd have to do is track the hometowns of the worst spammers, monitor NW complaints, and dump the junk accounts summarily.
Back to eBay, which I grew to hate, or maybe to check out some other sites. Lycos, you say? Will take a look.
The free classified ads on Yahoo are utterly hopeless, IMO.
Toyranch, please keep us updated. You still have the ear of these people like it sounded like you did at one time? Will they listen or is it maybe forced on the auctions group from higher in the company?
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treizedogs
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posted on January 3, 2001 08:13:31 AM new
Leaving.
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janusaries
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posted on January 3, 2001 08:17:51 AM new
Leaving. Sell stuff regularly on eBay. Keep trying Yahoo, but haven't made a single sale yet. So if Yahoo charges, I am outta there.
Buh-bye.
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sharkbaby
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posted on January 3, 2001 08:27:11 AM new
going...going...gone! Too bad that what seemed like a nice place has continued it's downward spiral by charging fees that are not supported by comparative exposure!
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bluroks
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posted on January 3, 2001 08:28:06 AM new
Its a shame, but we are now going to do ebay 100%. Yahoo really picked up for us the last couple of weeks. I would rather pay a closing fee. Now its back to ebay for the traffic the site produces.
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mballai
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posted on January 3, 2001 08:33:25 AM new
I really have to think Yahoo is clueless on this one. I sell steadily but it often takes three plus listings to move an item. There's not enough margin to support that. Fees should be based on sales, not listings.
This will absolutely kill Yahoo auctions, so I will be letting all my stuff run through the weekend and then pull it.
I'm rethinking my whole auction strategy. Too bad that Yahoo would kill the terrific momentum they have gotten by eBay's blunders by following in their footsteps.
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lapnat
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posted on January 3, 2001 08:36:16 AM new
Going... of course! Yahoo has been dead for me for months!!
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anzco
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posted on January 3, 2001 08:55:14 AM new
Considering the following, I think I will not stay with Yahoo.
1> The only reason I recently switched from Ebay to Yahoo was to avoid the fees so I could sell my stuff for less than I could with all the fees on Ebay. Things actually sell faster on ebay with more bidders and less follow-up.
2> Only about 25% of the listings I have on Yahoo sell... and they usually sell to the first bidder, so starting the bidding too low can result in selling at or below cost.
3> Of the auctions that sell, I usually have to follow up 4-5 times with the winning bidder before I see any payment and usually end up with a few deadbeats or some foreign bidders that bid on auctions that say US ONLY.
4> The US POSTAL SERVICE just raised their fees pretty substantially on PRIORITY MAIL.
So I guess the bottom line is if I have to pay...I might as well go back to Ebay because Ebay bidders will be more likely to pay the extra amount I have to charge to make a profit after fees than Yahoo buyers will.
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dimview
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posted on January 3, 2001 09:02:41 AM new
It will be adios to Yahoo!Wasteland.
Remember all the talk about sellers posting crappy items? Well, after three free listings days in which I moved auctions from Yahoo!?Auctions that hadn't gotten a bid for one or two months to eBay, about half the items were sold each time and many had multiple bids.
Since Yahoo! is unable to get folks to even click the auctions link from there homepage, there is simply no reason to throw money into the crapper, err, Yahoo!Auctions with listing fees.
I will work on developing my website which has been waiting in the wings for many months, and post items on eBay with a slight increase in the opening bid to compensate for the listing fee.
Will gladly pay the final value fee if an item sells, and the probability of a sale on eBay is much higher than Yahoo!Wasteland where the odds are somewhere between nil and none.
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VeryModern
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posted on January 3, 2001 09:16:51 AM new
Has anyone been able to ascertain definitively whether or not our credits will be spendable to pay listing fees - or just to feature.
Thanks
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zzyzx000
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posted on January 3, 2001 09:37:58 AM new
My 2000 auctions are out of here. I would have paid FV fees but not listing fees. It's been explained why by others. I predict I'll be back. Yahoo has a valuable property here. Obtaining critical mass of both buyers and sellers is the thing that's so hard to achieve for an auction site and Yahoo has it.
As they see business drop by 75% after the free listings run out they will see the light. Everybody has 20/20 hindsight.
It's also crystal clear why they chose the listing fees over the FV fees. It's absolutely consistant with everything they've done in the past year. The Yahoo way is to write computer code and not to hire people. Non refundable listing fees can be programmed to work without any human assistance whatsoever. Can you imagine how much real work it would take to credit back all the FV fees from deadbeat sales? And they would have to verify some of them to keep the sellers honest. And then they would have to take a serious look at getting rid of the deadbeats. And that would mean re-certifying bidders who used somebody else's credit card to get verified.
And that would mean paying Visa the $.10 a head to match names with credit card #'s. And that would mean getting rid of the deadbeats by reviewing their activities. All this would require hiring people and paying them salaries. Ouch. Get over it Yahoo. If you have any capital left, spend it on making FV fees work. I'll pay ePay's FV fees here today, if you give me back the FV fees from deadbeat buyers.
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susanc
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posted on January 3, 2001 09:41:32 AM new
Sadly leaving too. I agree 100% with what everyone else has said . Except whats his name that says he puts on 100 quality things . LOL LOL LOL at him.
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Dragonfyree
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posted on January 3, 2001 09:49:34 AM new
Gone. If I have to pay listing fees, it's going to be at ebay. I have sold some things on Yahoo, but rarely get more than one bid. I have continued to list, hoping that the more sellers that come to Yahoo, their service would improve. I especially dislike the setup for featuring your auctions.
Not Dragonfyree anywhere but here.
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