posted on January 3, 2001 09:54:34 AM new
This is a response to Jack Wolfe.
I am listing the same MIB items in Yahoo as I am in Ebay, with the same starting prices and all.
Yes, I was new to Yahoo Auctions, but I finally gave in and said I would try Yahoo, being they were free.
I just had to shell out 520 to ebay for the month of December and right now I am up to 210.00 for Janurary.
I was hoping to just list some and sell some on Yahoo to help me out.
I can not see how someone such as your self, put your self above everyone else whom does not want to pay for yahoo, whom does not get many bidders and whom will be just loosing money, Maybe you have it wrong, about the ones whom are leaving.. They prob have great items, and they put a higher price on the items being NO one is bidding, and at least they can get what they want for them.
That is what I did in both ebay and Yahoo.
And guess what, I sold a ton of item in ebay and so far as of this minute, I am about to sell 2 on Yahoo.
So, I figure it this way.
I will List items until the 9th with 5 auto summits, when they are done, well it is good bye yahoo for me.
You can list all you want, but I am thinking if the sellers goes, then the buyers are right behind them which would be a total of what I could call 500 buyers?? Total, from what I have seen bid on Yahoo lately.
So you can be alone, with your auctions paying your fees, and sitting on your 400+ feedback rating.
While I will be with Ebay, and maybe someone else whom has no listing fees, getting actual bidders on my items.
Sorry everyone, I did not mean to rattle on like this.
posted on January 3, 2001 10:06:33 AM new
To VM's question; the fees will count towards feedback transfer. I asked and they told me this on the phone just now.
Somehow I can't imagine running up a 500.00+ monthly fee to anyone else can be THAT much worse. I really can't afford it.
posted on January 3, 2001 10:11:00 AM new
I will be leaving Yahoo also. I talked myself into continueing to give them chance after chance, I was averaging one sale in 20 auctions and the hit ratio compared to ebay is dismal. I really had hopes Yahoo would catch on with bidders, but I can not justify the cost based on poor sales.
kerrydaway here and there......
kerrydaway1 at that other place
posted on January 3, 2001 10:11:29 AM new
In addition to selling on YAHOO, I also buy there.
Sometimes on impluse when I'm researching categories and other times because I specifically want to support YAHOO sellers and the effort to develope another strong site.
Why will I buy there after I cancel my listings?
posted on January 3, 2001 10:24:32 AM new
Millicent_roberts: Can you clarify? Do you mean that existing credits earned (from feedback on other sites) can be used to pay fees?
posted on January 3, 2001 10:26:03 AM new
I'll be going. Sadly, because things have just started to gain momentum, but not to the level that would support insertion and relisting fees. I tend to think that yahoo made this move far too soon. Even six months ago they weren't being referred to as teh only competitor to ebay as they have been lately. They should have let this site grow legs! Instead of shooting themselves in the foot....
posted on January 3, 2001 10:50:21 AM new
Leaving
Categories lousy
Method of sorting itmes unfair
Hits very low in comparison to the big guy
Sales very low in comparison to the big guy
Cusomter Service lousy
It was a good place to park stuff since there was no sense complaining about a free site.
posted on January 3, 2001 11:25:44 AM new
I guess I might be one of those sellers that many of you say that sells' junk', but the only way a Yahoo user would find my 'junk' is if they were searching for it. Anyways, I will be allowing my 450 - 500 auctions expire since it isn't cost effective to pay a listing fee on a 50 cent to $1.00 item. That's why I used Yahoo - it was free and it didn't make sense to list many of my cheaper items on eBay.
The other downside to this, as I see it, is that eBay will be that much stronger when virtually all the sellers at Yahoo head over to eBay and without any serious competition, eBay can continue with high costs and marginal customer service. Things in the online auction world aren't looking so bright about now...;(
I have emailed my feelings to Yahoo and included a link to this thread - I know it's an incredible long shot, but maybe they will change thier minds...
posted on January 3, 2001 12:29:39 PM new
I went to Yahoo auctions and entered "JackWolfe" It says he is a new seller with no feedback and no listings. I will be leaving as will the rest of my family (10) sellers. Oh well I am going to Snuze.com I have done okay there. They have a really good offline bulk-lister.
posted on January 3, 2001 12:46:15 PM new
IM OUTTA HERE! IM NOT PAYING FEES FOR A SECOND RATE AUCTION SITE WHO CANT GET THIER SH*T TOGETHER.WHAT THE HECK,I KNOW NOTHING IS FREE FOREVER BUT.....MOST PEOPLE WILL NOW SWITCH BACK OR LIST ON EBAY SOLEY.THEY WILL HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF SELLING THIER ITEMS ON EBAY.THIS IS GREAT FOR EBAY,ALMOST A MONOPOLY.EBAY WILL NOW CONTROL A MAJORITY OF THE INTERNET AUCTIONS,WHICH MEANS THEY CAN BASICALLY CHARGE WHAT THEY WANT WITHIN REASON & STILL BE #1...............DO YOU YAHOO??........I DONT YAHOO ANYMORE.
[ edited by GRETZKYMANIA on Jan 3, 2001 12:49 PM ]
posted on January 3, 2001 01:13:16 PM new
As someone else posted, I'll list selectively until my Wallet credit is used up. If I have to pay for listings, I'd prefer to post somewhere items actually sell, rather than sitting there indefinitely through multiple relists. Now, if Yahoo!'s logic bears out, I might end up staying permanently because stuff will actually start selling. (In case you're wondering, I'm not holding my breath on that one....)
posted on January 3, 2001 01:16:23 PM new
I will be pulling most of my listings. I will probably list 50 or so items a month, and will link the auctions to my websites. While sales at Yahoo have been decent, it's usually only one or two people bidding on a particular item. My page views have been decent, but definitely not in the same category as ebay's. The one thing I do get from Yahoo, is free advertising for my website. I guess now I will have to see if the listing fees justify the "advertising" expense. What this will also do, is create a mad rush to ebay and perhaps Amazon. With more sellers at a particular site, selling many of the same items, it will become even more a buyers market. This will force sellers to drop prices and will eventually lead to many sellers dropping out of the auction business altogether. Just like auction sites, it will be the last man standing, that will be the best off. If we're able to survive the next year to see how things shake out, we'll be better off. If not, I'm sure many of us will be dusing off our resumes.
posted on January 3, 2001 01:23:23 PM new
um... I'll give you a case study.
I sell old postcards. It's just a hobby, really, but I'm not going to pay to do it.
One thing about postcards is that one person's junk is another person's treasure. People collect them for all sorts of personal reasons, so a given postcard actually has a very small audience. If you've got a postcard of Peoria in the 1920s, you have to wait for a person who collects that to happen by. Until they do, you don't make a sale.
Well, on the average, on eBay, I sell about 20-50% of what I list. 50% is a good day, 20-30% is much more typical. It's just the way it goes, and has more to do with the quality of the traffic than anything else. eBay does cost money, but overall I wind up ahead.
I have (had) up to 300 items parked on Yahoo. With that number of items circulating, I make 1-2 sales a day, often fewer, rarely more. Typically the item had been listed for months until finally the right person happened along and found it. What was nice about Yahoo was that it was fairly easy to keep up with, and when a sale did happen it was all profit. Not much money, but all mine.
So anyway, do the math. assuming 300 listed items at 10 days per, that's an average of 30 ists or relists per day, at 20 cents each, costing $6.00. Postcards are cheap low-margin items. I'm just not making $6.00 a day off Yahoo. It would cost me money to continue selling there. I would gladly share with Yahoo via FVFs, but listing fees just won't work for me.
posted on January 3, 2001 01:32:26 PM new
YIKES!! is what I say, and very sad for the small seller, I think Yahoo should have waited, or not charged for the re-listing. The poor traffic is the difficult part. Items sit so long, NO-MATTER what they are!!! This is a poor decision on there part. We all lose. [email protected]
posted on January 3, 2001 02:02:56 PM new
ACK!!!!!! I return from vacation and find THIS??!!!!!
Well, I was selling over 90% of my listings on Yahoo even with the chaos of the listings (popular niche item...)
However, I was doing it by cutting the costs by the listing fees that I was paying on Ebay to make the costs very attractive to buyers.
BUT...I saw nothing about refunds for deadbeats and I am just not willing to bet that I will have sales. Also, I saw nothing about listing order being returned to something less than chaos.
Yes JackWolfe--you can say that people should start their items low for auctions, but it is very rare that you get more than one bid per item even with my popular niche product. Just not enough traffic and people really HATE seeing reserves on items at Yahoo (they seem to be used to it on Ebay).
Sorry to say that if I have to pay, I am going to Ebay after my credits run out. At least I have a chance to recoup the fees there.
This is SO SAD! I really hope that the people who have started threads like "Yahoo please charge fees" are very happy in their nest. They should have plenty of elbow room now....
Anyone know of some new and more viable sites to try?
posted on January 3, 2001 02:38:45 PM new
staying-
for now. However, even before these fees were announced I was planning to diversify further, which I will certainly do. When I first discovered Yahoo I was listing about 95% of my items here & about 5% on Ebay. After all the changes (when the "seller rewards" program was introduced & the listings became scrambled) I began listing more on Ebay and I'd say I maintained about a 50%-50% split between Ebay & Yahoo. Well, it looks now like I'm going to cut Yahoo listings down to about 25% of my total listings. Ebay will remain at 50% and I will be trying out Dutchbid.com with the other 25%. I am not doing this specifically because of the fees that have been implemented, I was planning to do this anyway.
I'm still waiting for that magical day when they announce that listings at yahoo are back in time-ending order. That will probably be one major determining factor as to whether I stay with Yahoo long term. Another determining factor will be how my sales are at Yahoo versus how sales go at Dutchbid. At this point that is unknown.
There are a lot of people griping that they didn't sell on Yahoo, but I am not one of them. My stuff sells on Yahoo. There are people with my auction booth bookmarked. I think it would be pretty stupid of me to just completely abandon ship as of right this minute. However, I haven't forgotten how my sales took a huge hit when the listing order changed. I'm sure they will take another hit when all of you guys leave. If Yahoo doesn't make some efforts to help me sell my items (like giving me viable categories to list them in, and returning time-ending order) I will more than likely pull out of Yahoo auctions altogether. I won't be able to afford to stay.
We'll see how it goes. I am not entirely convinced that I want to stay in this business to start with. I can really identify with VeryModern's earlier post about "exiting the rink".
One more thing- YAHOO, IF I HAVE TO PAY YOU, PLEASE LET ME PAY YOU BY CHECK OR MONEY ORDER!!! NOT HAVING A CHOICE SUCKS!!!!!!
posted on January 3, 2001 04:22:45 PM new
My feedback on Yahoo is 506 I think I owe them a little suport. I will be happy to keep listing and pay the new fees for awhile.
I think getting rid of some of the junk running on Yahoo will help the sellers that have decent items at fair prices.
posted on January 3, 2001 05:15:24 PM new
When my auctions close I wont be relisting them I'm not shuting the door on yahoo at this time I will keep my account and toss in a few auctions and watch how thing go.
I have been listing on ebay for months now and getting top notch sales im going to keep on with that and leave my options open for a new way to list my lower profit memoribila Items.
list on ebay for a year had 85 dead beat bidders I cant afford to pay yahoo under those conditions.
posted on January 3, 2001 05:18:34 PM new
I would like to start by saying I agree with about everything else that has been said on here. My sales on Yahoo have been fairly steady the last few months and at times pretty darn good. The funny thing is, I just recently started my Ebay ID and to be quite honest I was blown away with the traffic and the bidding I was getting on Ebay.
So to make a long story short, I was slowly moving my stuff to Ebay day by day and was gonna keep Yahoo as my primary backup. But now they wanna implement fees! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! Get a grip Yahoo! You just pointed the cannon at the deck of your own ship!
Oh well it was fun while it lasted. I will list up till Jan. 10 with the maximum resubmits. When those are gone SO AM I! Seeeeeeeeeeee yaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted on January 3, 2001 05:58:36 PM new
I'm jumping ship as well. Yahoo has hit an iceberg and will sink like the Titanic. ALL HANDS ABANDON SHIP!!
Those MBA's need to find a cure for stupidity or find another job very soon. You have to be retarded to pay for no customer service, slow sales, few bidders, and massive deadbeats. This is not charity so I see no reasonable justification to pay listing fees. If I have to choose between the lessor of 2 evils, I'd pick EBAY. Why? Money talks over there.
posted on January 3, 2001 06:04:28 PM new
Ebay has been down all bleeping day!! Do any of you who no longer plan to list on Yahoo have a plan B for when that happens? Just wondering.
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