posted on August 1, 2001 12:22:02 PM
Here, republican voters live in a state of great collective shame, and either deny unconvincingly but with great energy that they voted for dumbya or just shrug hopelessly and wander the streets with downcast eyes, disillusioned and embarrassed that their foolishness is exposed.
posted on August 1, 2001 12:34:51 PMI really wonder if I live in CA or not wih the local attitude.
Try Idaho. The people here would elect a bag of rocks, as long as it was registered as a republican.
A woman here ran for a local city council seat some years ago as a democrat, and was defeated. The next, election, she ran as an independent, and was again defeated. This past year, she ran as a republican, and was elected. Now, people are complaining because she doesn't get along with any of the other (republican) council members.
posted on August 1, 2001 12:55:54 PM
Well, I'm sure the folks already here will thank you- I have found from first-hand experience that a great many of them are not overly fond of non-natives.
posted on August 1, 2001 01:01:02 PMI've been told that since I don't approve of Bush I should refuse the tax rebate, or better yet give it to a Republican.
Where do they come up with this stuff? It's like the brilliance that demands you love America to be a resident.
posted on August 1, 2001 01:19:52 PM
Republicans probably live in denial about the tax refund, knowing deep in their psyches that dumbya didn't give it to them but only conceded it upon the demand of democratic members of the senate. If that proviso had not been met his entire tax bill would have been tossed into the river. By their own twist of perception they should see that it is them who should return the paltry tax non refund if they didn't like Clinton.
posted on August 1, 2001 01:39:52 PM
I've been told that since I don't approve of Bush I should refuse the tax rebate, or better yet give it to a Republican.
Thats what I tell republicans about social security. Not a Republican voted for it when it began, but they are 1st in line for the checks!
I can honestly say people that voted for Bush here in central PA are suffering BAD. We have had many factories shut down causing the loss of thousands of jobs. I had to laugh several republicans at work were scared about their job security and I replied you only have 3 1/2 years to go. Funny that people voted for dumbya but they are ashamed to admit it. I would be ashamed too if I voted for a man that wasnt as smart as me.
posted on August 1, 2001 02:22:36 PM
I don't know... Mark Fuhrman was a good fit.
edited to add...
For years now, they've been paranoid about California stealing their water. I'm not quite sure how that would be done- I sort of imagined an enormous fleet of Sparkletts trucks, loaded with empty bottles, amassed at the Nevada border awaitng nightfall.
[ edited by mrpotatoheadd on Aug 1, 2001 02:27 PM ]
posted on August 1, 2001 02:25:33 PM
Even in my town, outside of San Francisco, people gather, or meet at the grocery store, and discuss..yes...BUSH...and not in terribly complimentary terms either....Of course, he does have supporters...but the antis definitely out-number the pros...and I live in a VERY conservative little town...
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posted on August 1, 2001 02:44:38 PM
Ha! Hadn't heard about the water...just property. I have a lot of family there...they liken it to what happened to Seattle.
Speaking of water...I wish you could see the ritual of the opening of the sluice gate at my Aunt's house. She irrigates the entire place, once a year, at great personal risk...
posted on August 1, 2001 03:05:26 PM
Yeah. Just imagine if I should go back to Montana with my Massachusetts money. They're mad at Californians, too. They haven't even considered Massachusetts... New England tends to migrate south...they're not fond of Easterners in Florida, for instance.
posted on August 1, 2001 03:43:04 PM
What Made America Famous- Harry Chapin
It was the town that made America famous.
The churches full and the kids all gone to hell.
Six traffic lights and seven cops and all the streets kept clean.
The supermarket and the drug store and the bars all doing well.
They were the folks that made America famous.
The local fire department stocked with shorthaired volunteers.
And on Saturday night while America boozes
The fire department showed dirty movies,
The lawyer and the grocer seeing their dreams
Come to life on the movie screens
While the plumber hopes that he won't be seen
As he tries to hide his fears and he wipes away his tears.
But something's burning somewhere. Does anybody care?
We were the kids that made America famous.
The kind of kids that long since drove our parents to dispair.
We were lazy long hairs dropping our, lost confused, and copping out.
Convinced our futures were in doubt and trying not to care.
We lived in the house that made America famous.
It was a rundown slum, the shame of all the decent folks in town.
We hippies and some welfare cases,
Croweded families of coal black faces,
Cramped inside some cracked old boards,
The best that we all could afford
But still to nice for the rich landlord
To tear it down and we could hear the sound
Of something burning somewhere. Is anybody there?
We all lived the life that made America famous.
Our cops would make a point to shadow us around our town.
And we love children put a swastika on the bright red firehouse door.
America, the beautiful, it makes a body proud.
And then came the night that made America famous.
Was it carelessness or someone's sick idea of a joke.
In the tinder box trap that we hippies lived in someone struck a spark.
At first I thought I was dreaming,
Then I saw the first flames gleaming
And heard the sound of children screaming
Coming through the smoke. That's when the horror broke.
Something's burning somewhere. Does anybody care?
It was the fire that made America famous.
The sirens wailed and the firemen stumbled sleepy from their homes.
And the plumber yelled: "Come on let's go!"
But they saw what was burning and said: "Take it slow,
Let'em sweat a little, they'll never know
And besides, we just cleaned the chrome." Said the plumber: "I'm going alone."
He rolled on up in the fire truck
And raised the ladder to the ledge
Where me and my girl and a couple of kids
Were clinging like bats to the edge.
We staggered to salvation,
Collapsed on the street.
And I never thought that a fat man's face
Would ever look so sweet.
It was the scene that made America famous.
If not the love that made America great.
You see we spent the rest of that night in the home of a man I'd never known before.
It's funny when you get that close it's kind of hard to hate.
I went to sleep with the hope that made America famous.
I had the kind of a dream that maybe they're still trying to teach in school.
Of the America that made America famous...and
Of the people who just might understand
That how together yes we can
Create a country better than
The one we have made of this land,
We have a choice to make each man
who dares to dream, reaching out his hand
A prophet or just a crazy God damn
Dreamer of a fool - yes a crazy fool
There's something burning somewhere.
Does anybody care?
Is anybody there?
I think it's well to remember...when you (the generic "you" ) move to someone else's home place...you moved there because you liked it. Don't immediately try to change it, and destroy what the residents created and you moved there to enjoy.
An example. People from Boston...sick of city life...moved south, to Carver, a bastion of country living...low taxes, low crime...etc. They immediately clamored for the services they had in the City. Taxes skyrocketed...locals couldn't afford to live there anymore...Carver is wrecked. City folks are still wondering what happened...and they can't sell their overpriced houses now. Duh.
[ edited by toke on Aug 1, 2001 04:05 PM ]
posted on August 1, 2001 05:02:34 PMI think it's well to remember...when you (the generic "you" ) move to someone else's home place...you moved there because you liked it. Don't immediately try to change it, and destroy what the residents created and you moved there to enjoy.
Ironically enough, I'm perfectly happy living on a farm, while the natives are subdividing the place like mad, and turning it into everything they complain California is.
But if I comment on this, I'm the one who's out of place because I'm "not from here", and I just don't understand.
What is that saying... something about those who do not remember the past being doomed to repeat it?
posted on August 1, 2001 05:40:54 PM
I guess it just means they haven't accepted you yet...and they'd like to make the easy money Calif. is handing out. It's the same in Maine...if you weren't born there, you simply don't count...insofar as Mainers are concerned...but they'd like to make some bucks on those truck farms... Not hard to understand, if you can grasp how little value that land had, until recently.
posted on August 1, 2001 11:11:19 PM"On the web board they've even gone so far as to bring in a "hired gun" to oppose my messages." -dmercer-
Funny, I've felt that this has happened here as well. However, with the overwhelming facts being presented here, we've shot up every hired gun that they've sent in so far.
"I think that Borillar may be lighting a fire under the tails of those Oregon Democrats." -hjw-
... which leads into what I've always maintained : the Round Table IS being watched by the Bush Administration, the GOP AND the DNC, however indirectly. You can be sure that this is the case because of the results of our disscussions tend to trickle "upward" here and there and results in movement elsewhere. Newton's Third Law of Motion and all that. And if what I maintain is true, then not only does the GOP hate my guts, but I haven't been the DNC's biggest suporter either. If my profile wasn't so low around here, I'm sure that I would have vanished from the RT a long time ago. As I also keep saying : Heaven help me if I ever get Respect on here!
