Regarding your post at 10:39:38 above: are you saying that you are looking into this, or that you decision is to leave it unmoderated? I'm not trying to make this more difficult for you, but I am somewhat disturbed that someone stated the obvious on another thread and was immediately WOMD'ed (by saying that since KRS was innocent regarding Julie, the perpetrator was still at large) yet an obvious barb has been left without moderation since being posted to page 2 of this thread at 8:43:21 PM Dec. 8th--nearly two days now.
If this is allowed to stand, and you consider it to be acceptable, civil, respectful discourse (which is what it seems AW is advocating,) then that would indicate that insults and snide comments are perfectly allowable as long as they are couched in (albeit obvious) references to events or comments that happened prior to your joining us as moderator.
I'm sure you are extremely busy with things right now, having had everything thrust upon you so suddenly. But I hope that you can tend to this as quickly as possible, because I see this setting a precedent for what will be considered civil here, and what you will allow--not to mention whether AW achieves its stated objectives here.
Thanks,
~Mark
edited to add that I do not see an email link under your name either, Gila.
[ edited by rhyno on Dec 10, 1999 11:17 AM ]
posted on December 10, 1999 11:15:16 AMGila: I also am unable to see your e-mail link under your name. Maybe you simply need to go to the "Preferences" section and turn that feature on?
posted on December 10, 1999 11:15:17 AM
Some people would take a dog barking at them as they walked by the dog owner's home to be a personal attack or insult, veiled by the peculiarities and dialects of doggie languages. It's just a manifestation of insecurity, I think.
Difficult thing to tell for sure what the dog meant.
posted on December 10, 1999 11:24:47 AMrino I explained earilier on here and you were present, what post of wacas I was referring to. If you don't like it oh well. Get over it.
Aurorah and I havent had too many things to say to one another in any form so I can't say that I don't like her as a poster.
Hellcat has went out of the universe to rub me the wrong way so hard it removes my skin not just irratates it. That is why the 10x is next to her name. She would love nothing more that to see me gone or suspended and I won't give her the satisfaction.
Actually if I can help it I wont give any one the satisfaction for that matter. now have a nice day and do what everyone always tells me after a good day of being BARBED. r e l a x, d o n't t r y s o h a r d!
If only Gila could converse with Bob and get the lowdown on all of the posters she wouldnt be so busy reading BS from way back just to figure who starts what and who doesnt take what.
posted on December 10, 1999 11:28:42 AM
I've been told that my opinion did not matter here, and how much credibility I lack. Yet I continue to see a follow-up to every post I make about this issue....strange.
I will continue to voice my opinion about AW's supposed "new" direction, and issues I see impacting it. You are more than welcome to use the now-working "ignore" button for my posts...
[ edited by rhyno on Dec 10, 1999 11:35 AM ]
posted on December 10, 1999 11:36:49 AMBarry: The 3 posts were all about you Barry, and all found within the same thread. Both you and I have all the emails that contain my exact posts to that thread, and we both know that none of them support any of the false allegations made by Waca.
In alluding that they were edited as some sort of cover up, allow me to attempt to dispel the aspersions that have been cast upon my character. In addressing you Barry, I said on October 11, 1999:
[i]I have watched people bash you time and time again,
watched you rise to your defense with eloquent point and counter point, read countless posts from all sides and tried my best to keep an objective distance so that I could more fully understand the motivations and feelings of all the parties involved. After months and months of this, in my minds eye you still came out of it wearing a white hat. It now saddens me to think that you have been chosen to be one of the Voices[/i]
In my second post I also said that by coming to the thread in question and launching an assault upon another poster that you had undone all the faith and respect I had invested in you".
And my third and last post consisted of my statement to hellcat wherein I said:
[i]I am so done swallowing sh*t here Beth. He can keep
the spoonful of irony. In the immortal words of Auntie Em, "being a good christian woman and all" I shall refrain from saying what I would like for him to do with it[/i].
I removed the posts not as a cover up, but rather because they were meant to show my disappointment in you Barry. Once you had seen them and contacted me via email, they served no further purpose in that thread.
Now if you have other information that I have in fact been all that Waca has alleged, please bring it to the table. Other wise, I will assume that you really do wish to let this matter drop, and that your show of sincerity is genuine.
posted on December 10, 1999 11:40:39 AM
Gila -- the email hyperlink functionality is determined by how a user has his/her browser configured. If no email helper application is set up, then mailto: links don't do anything. it has nothing to do with AW pages.
--- any semblance between me and myself is purely coincidental
posted on December 10, 1999 11:41:47 AM
I would never want Gila to believe Bobs view of ANYTHING regarding any poster here. Knowing what I now know, Bob reeked of duplicity and I don't think AW would be where it is at today if not for that.
I would only hope that Gila has the integrity to form her own opinion of a post and act accordingly with even handedness and without bias.
That was something that Bob did not accomplish.
[ edited by nobs on Dec 10, 1999 11:43 AM ]
posted on December 10, 1999 11:42:05 AM
Sorry about the format errors above but they are gonna stay. I don't like the idea that I may be subjected to further allegations of editing if I edit.
Sincerely,
The Department of Redundancy Department.
posted on December 10, 1999 11:47:24 AM
Nobs...Well said!
If the moderator had been doing his job, that Waca post would have been WOMD'd immediately, and it wouldn't be there for people to toss an insult by saying... "what Waca said."
posted on December 10, 1999 11:52:56 AMCasperzlady, Hellcat has went out of the universe to rub me the wrong way so hard it removes my skin not just irratates it. That is why the 10x is next to her name. She would love nothing more that to see me gone or suspended and I won't give her the satisfaction.
Not true...
1) I would not rub you in any way. I just don't go that way, sorry.
2) If your skin is removed, then at least you must be clean. I'm pleased for you.
3) I have not addressed you in several weeks. Until recently, and while ignore was working, I did not even see your posts. With the current glitches in that system, unfortunately, I am now seeing them again (well, I got a brief break last night, but now it's broken again). I admit to a certain perverse fascination with them. Like watching a train wreck.
4) I did post a few nights ago with multi-smilies and a tag line similar to yours. You inspired me. Imitation, they say, is the sincerest form of flattery. But I could not measure up to you, and I gave it up as futile effort.
5) I have no interest in seeing you "gone or suspended." Quite the opposite. I enjoy a good laugh.
Peace, Love, Joy...
Hellcat
Edited to remove a double negative, which, come to think of it, is redundant.
[ edited by hellcat on Dec 10, 1999 11:57 AM ]
posted on December 10, 1999 12:01:25 PMAurorah: Actually, I never did find the e-mails you sent to me on the subject, so I thank you for reposting exactly what you said at the time. I personally believe your comments to be a perfect example of the type of things Waca accused you of. And I'm also glad to see I wasn't imagining the "being a good christian woman and all" reference after all, although I'll admit it's possible I misunderstood your use of the phrase at the time.
I don't see any need to delve any deeper into this, personally. I believe you have acted a certain way in the past, but I also acknowledge that it is simply my perception of what you have said and that I could be wrong. Some may see the words you quoted above and agree with me, while others may feel I am completely off base. I also believe you have devoted some of your own time to accusing me of having done things in the past as well, by the way, and those accusations reflect your perceptions of what I have said as well.
I still think it was wrong for [Waca to make his attacks on you the way he did, however, and I still think Bob was wrong for allowing it to stay up unmoderated. In that, if nothing else, I hope we can agree.
Regards,
Barry
---
The opinions expressed above are for comparison purposes only. Your mileage may vary....
Since I do have all the emails in question, and because they contain not only the posts from the thread but oh so much more, would you like to go over to the general chat area and discuss this further? I would really, really love to post each and every one of them. How about it? Care to allow your words to be viewed by one and all?
posted on December 10, 1999 12:13:08 PMGila
Please also be aware that there are many here who will register an id just to post support for their own agenda.
Then they will post a "thank you" to themselves (in the form of their alternate id), A lot of deception has and is taking place at AW, so it takes integrity to not just view the bad posts but also to take the so-called supportive posts with a grain of salt.
You may also be inundated with email in support of or against particular posters, take them with a grain of salt also.
I offer this advice respectfully because I am not aware of your backround in moderating these types of venues.
When I first came here, I was shocked when I first became aware of the shenanigans involved. I now view things a lot differently.
edited because I transposed a couple of letters.
[ edited by nobs on Dec 10, 1999 12:15 PM ]
posted on December 10, 1999 12:14:22 PMBrittney - Please do try to remember that most (if not all) of us here are considerably more experienced in life than you are, and then stop attempting to pull the wool over our eyes. It is insulting.
spaz, in a thread I now cannot find, asked WACA if he was gonna resign too. WACA responded with a nope, not gonna happen response on 12/8 at 8:17:18 pm.
In this thread we are currently in, on page two, aurorah posted to someone in a combination of caps and small letters, followed by about 47 of those god-forsaken smileys. You apparently took offense to this, as at 8:43:21 pm on December 12, immediately following aurorah's post, you put down the following:
"what WACA said" followed by one smiley, and the next line was addressed to hellcat "same, but 10X" and exactly 32 of those smileys.
Now you expect us to believe you when you say that you meant WACA's response to leaving the board??? Not this old chick. I am done having my intellegence insulted by a child with little or no life experience. Why, oh why would you say same, but 10X to hellcat in re: nope, not gonna happen? I just don't see it.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I offered an open hand and advice to you when you first came here. I tried, Brittney - honest to God, I tried. I probably gave you more benefit of the doubt than most, and was likely ridiculed off the board for it. Unfortunately, I am feeling more and more disappointed and disgusted by the minute - no, not with you, but with myself for getting sucked in. Enough. You can write whatever you want, but there are damn few here who are believing this particular line of crap.
And now a small prayer...dear Lord, please let the feature which has been lacking on this board for over a week be working now. Amen.
---
Kris
Countdown to smokefree....21 days! **puff**puff**puff**
posted on December 10, 1999 12:15:56 PM
Hellcat, your posts are seething with personal attacks on me and I sincerely suggest you knock it off.
As far as you "not going that way"? Can't prove it by me with all the past posts of you being with others.
You were mocking my smileys and my signature line so don't denie it.
Don't talk in circles Beth just spit it out and let it count. Be accountable like the non anon poster says! Be Proud of what you say don't cover it up.
I am glad I can make you smile wish I could say the same for your posts.
posted on December 10, 1999 12:19:09 PMAurorah: I said I was willing to let it drop. I have already said that I believe the attack against you was wrong. I have my perceptions of how you have acted toward me, both in that particular thread and in others, just as you have your perceptions of how I have acted toward you. And I'm sure everybody else here has their own perceptions as well [and is sick to tears reading about all of this, I might add].
No, I'd rather that private correspondances between us were not posted publicly. If you want to take that as some sort of admission of guilt on my part and claim moral victory, feel free. But it will only be your opinion on the subject, and not necessarily the truth.
Regards,
Barry
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The opinions expressed above are for comparison purposes only. Your mileage may vary....
posted on December 10, 1999 12:21:19 PM
Kris Typed Please do try to remember that most (if not all) of us here are considerably more experienced in life than you are, and then stop attempting to pull the wool over our eyes. It is insulting.
Here, here!
Gila I am waiting 12 hours now...
Edited because of what Aurorah said, and perhaps I was feeling like a customer at a lunch counter waiting for some coleslaw. But when Aurorah said : "Diana (service@acutionwatch) and I had a telepphone conversation" And the rest of that post, I decided to back off a bit.
[ edited by ross on Dec 10, 1999 01:26 PM ]
posted on December 10, 1999 12:24:53 PM
Krisinluck maybe your not as smart as you claim. Maybe you are so used to all the sarcasm in this atmosphere that you and the other posters out for my suspention automatically take what I say and see it as horrible. Well I feel sorry for your wisdom cells.
I am young yes and I haven't lived as long as most here but that doesn't make me stupid it just makes you jealous in my opinion.
It really is ashame. Why not chop of hellcats head for making fun of the way I spell? Because you stuck up for me once and lost most of your friends here and now you want them to accept you again.
posted on December 10, 1999 12:25:46 PMBrittney, I am so glad to see you've found and have comfortably settled into "your place" at AW . . . it need not have been this way
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Kathy
This ain't no party - this ain't no disco . . .
[ edited by thrinworks on Dec 10, 1999 12:27 PM ]
Waca himself, in the Moderator's Corner, in a post addressed to you, tells you exactly where to find the offending, quoted posts. It will take you no more that 10 minutes to discover what is so offensive about "what Waca said."
Don't you want to know what's going on here? Why so many of us know that little remark is a direct personal attack? It really is, Gila. A particularly nasty one.
posted on December 10, 1999 12:29:33 PMBarry You have seized every opportunity to reference me in a negative light by alluding to Waca's attack since it happened. I chose to take the high road and not feed into that garbage thread or address it since. You on the other hand have seemingly taken up the banner to continue.
I am not afraid to confront the truth. I am not afraid of the past. The truth always outs Barry. Always. If you wish to continue to beat a dead horse full of BS, then I will happily bring another one back to life. Your choice. If not, then I humbly suggest you keep your "opinions" to yourself.
posted on December 10, 1999 12:30:15 PMROSS I don't think insulting the moderator will get you any where.
Now lets see how many insults have been slung at me today and then look who slung them. Did I personally insult those of you who see fit to do it now to me?
NO I DID NOT
wolfpack mentality indeed!
---
The friendly Ghostess
Edited to say to those of you that have said you graciously accepted me and gave me the bennefit of the doubt.
B.S I forgave you for the things you said about my family! Who do you all think you are? Royalty? I have to beg to be an AW member and answer to your every accusation? get real!
If anyone said the vile things about your family that you've said about mine you would never forgive that person. No matter what they were accused of.
Gila I really hope you are reading the Brenda threads and see the sh*t Ive had to eat just to maintain some dignity here. Well I aint no more. It is pretty bad when I can't post anything at all without it being made fun of or twisted. read long and hard!
[ edited by Casperzlady on Dec 10, 1999 12:39 PM ]
posted on December 10, 1999 12:34:27 PMkrisinluck: I have always had great respect for your responses, especially knowing they come from the heart. I for one have never judged another by the company they keep, but rather by how they are as people.
casperzlady: It's time you took Vicki's advice again. The more you talk the deeper the hole!
I believe we are all adults and stand on our own merit. No one is picking on you Brittney...it's your own perception. If you screw up, or Kris, or Barry, or Linda or Tom, or Beth, or Di, well, someone or many will call them on it. Hopefully when they are called on it, they respond respectfully.
In the interests of the season and in the interest of you trying to better get along , I think it would be appropriate for you to edit out your waca comments and apologize to Aurorah and Beth. Pretty simple grown up stuff.
posted on December 10, 1999 12:34:29 PM
Casperz- I am sorry but your posts are also insulting. I see you looking for insults on every post. Please give yourself a break. If you look (and try) hard enough you can find insults (intended or not) in everything.
