posted on January 4, 2001 04:11:11 PM new
Does anyone know this JackWolfe and what he
sells? I popped his name in the Search
option on both Yahoo and Ebay and interestingly enough a JackWolfe is a new
member, no items for sale and no rating. I just do not think that he can call what we
sell "garbage" until we know what he sells.
Be brave Jack, tell us what you sell and what your user name is.
posted on January 4, 2001 04:28:08 PM new
rolllanotherone,
If you have a question about moderations in general, please post in the moderator's corner.
Also, please pay attention to this part of the CG's in future posting:
Online conduct should be guided at all times by common sense and basic etiquette. This basic premise applies to allAuctionWatch.com members as well as the AuctionWatch.com staff. Abuse of or by any of our members and/or staff will not be permitted.
posted on January 4, 2001 04:38:13 PM new
Stocksticker:
Hate to see anyone scratch their head for my unthinkable reasoning as quoted:
Once listing fees are instituted, IT WILL clean up the site. And from reading some of your posts and the items that you list, many of you that are leaving wont be missed at all. From .10 baseball cards to the other junk I've read that you post, believe me, you get no bids on the items, because NO ONE IS INTERESTED IN THAT GARBAGE! Good luck posting on the sites you've mentioned: snuze.com, epier.com, auxpal.com and the others - I think they have a combined 100 bids last I checked. And if you think that they wont start charging fees if they actually get some traction, then you have another thing coming. You guys are making weak threats with little backing (and little understanding of what will actually happen if you carry out your threats). You're fighting a big war with a little pea shooter.
I have seen worse then this on these message boards, for some reason this person is rubbing the moderators nose the wrong way, The ones complaining about yahoo's fees come right out and say they are using yahoo for their crap that sits elsewhere because it is free to list it in yahoo.
Do you get it at all?
You want to use yahoo for the crap you cant sell in ebay because Yahoo is free? maybe Yahoo is tired of CRAP on their site, a fee will illiminate those of us who take advantage of yahoo's free site, REAL NICE!!! I have a diamond ring so I will sell it in Ebay, the ring from the cracker jack box get's sold in Yahoo!
Apparently most of those who complain expect the site to do the work for them, Yahoo can't make anyone bid in your auctions, you have to, if I were to swtich to Ebay, I would Rock a World, I dont want to work that hard, we have sold in several sites over the past few years, have been back and forth to yahoo, they have made it easier, I still buy in the others, I choose yahoo for selling now, have paid in ebay, amazon, go, msn etc, why should I NOT pay in Yahoo? Yahoo has been treated like a Slut which is free, Ebay has been treated like a Whore which is not. If I had the choice I would rather get paid as a Whore then a free Slut, can't blame yahoo at all.
Go ahead moderator 50 lashes, I think you may just be experiencing PMS so this day 1/4/01 will have a big red X placed on my calender signifying your cycle and note that 28 days from now to stay away. WOW how nice rolllanotherone just made your menstral cycle famous, mine is every other week=) menoapuse bites.
posted on January 4, 2001 04:52:17 PM new
rollanotherone - you are rude! I like having a garage sale available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week as I have a life and family. I don't have time to run to garage sales on Saturdays and can't hit them all anyway. I like buying $.10 cards to fill in my children's collections (baseball, hocky and pokemon) and the smiles when they get a package in the mail with one of these treasures. I like finding a pair of used jeans for a great price because the ones at the stores stink!!!!!! And last time I looked America (and the world) had more WalMart shoppers than Sax 5th Avenue. Just because it takes longer for the right buyer doesn't mean the items are worth less. And I don't think any of the sellers on here have a problem with PAYING for service, just not paying ridiculous amounts for less service than they can get elsewhere. I would love to sell at a Final Value Fee!!!!! And AMEN to the fact that Yahoo forgets that sellers are also buyers. I shopped on Yahoo because I felt loyal and wanted to make it a great place. I put up with search engines that worked inadequately and all the other stuff because I felt Yahoo was partly mine. I belonged there!!!! If I leave there as a seller I won't go there as a buyer and I won't use their other services either. It may not affect them but I will still have my principles and know that I was right!!!!!
posted on January 4, 2001 05:01:11 PM new
rolllanotherone,
Your posting privileges are in jeopardy as your comments are very close to the line of breaching the concept of basic etiquette. I really urge you to read the CG's before posting again.
Once more with feeling: If you have a problem with moderation of this board, please post in the Moderator's Corner.
Joice
Moderator.
*spelling
[ edited by joice on Jan 4, 2001 05:02 PM ]
posted on January 4, 2001 05:07:57 PM new
How many of you have figured out that
rollanotherone and Jack are one and the same
person? HOWEVER, he does have a right to his
opinion despite his CRUDENESS. I wish that he would put "his money where his mouth is"
and tell us what he sells?!
posted on January 4, 2001 05:14:48 PM new
I will tough it out! At least until free listing fees run out! If they do not honor those? Then I will also be gone!
I used Auction Universe which didn't listen and changed their name to Auctions.com and finally went out of business!
I never list that many items anyhow, since competing against all the folks who use the site as a free classified section rather then an Auction site!
Did great on E-bay for the Holidays for the few items I did have up! Over 90% sales with active bidding and BUY It NOW!
YAHOO works great as a classified site when you could list thousands of items forever with multiple ID's that many claim to have!
Buy or rent a store and see how long you leave the items sit on the shelf and wait for a customer to find them?
posted on January 4, 2001 05:32:31 PM new
I think I will take my $200. - $1,500. "pieces of junk" that I have been selling on Yahoo somewhere else if the Yahoo employees / trolls no longer wants them on the Yahoo auction site. My most expensive item sold on Yahoo auctions in the year 2000 and it was for $15,200. There will be no way I will list any of my items on Yahoo again if they don't want my "junk" listed any longer. I was paying $100. - $200. a month to Yahoo for featuring my items and if they don't want my $$$, I will give it to another site.
posted on January 4, 2001 05:34:11 PM new
"It will clean up the site" - yup to nearly empty
"they will see the light" - not likely, they've never even acknowledged that the current nonsensical list order initiative is lousy.
There are occasional rumors of ebay - yahoo merger. If yahoo self desctructs its auction site first that would remove a anticompetitive potential impediment to that idea.
If yahoo auctions had the buyer traffic to justify paying fees, I believe they would receive enough from their feature bidding to make it unnecessary.
yahoo had a lot of nice features, but it was the free aspect which gave it mass. With fees, even so much more limited than ebay, I expect it will become just another empty wannabe.
"if they would just put the listing oder back..." - I think they probably will.
posted on January 4, 2001 05:47:00 PM new
Leaving.
We'll be setting up our own website for sales, a much more cost effective way to sell in bulk. What we sell is too buyer-dependent (model cars) and depends too much upon having a list of things for the hobbyist to browse. All our auctions get relisted X times before they sell - almost nothing sells the first time around - and when you are selling at a low margin and have to compete with stores, you can't expect people to pay more for something, plus shipping. Plus there is the postal increase for Priority Mail to factor in.
Yahoo is going to lose all the small businesses and be filled with the same stuff that people can buy anywhere - and will.
posted on January 5, 2001 05:30:04 AM new
What really gets me is why the new fees are ONLY for U.S. listers and not any other countries. The question when raised yesterday in the chat was never answered by the Yahoo people.
posted on January 5, 2001 12:33:26 PM new
FEES= I WILL NOT LIST ON YAHOO THERE ARE TOO MANY BIDDERS THAT DO NOT SEND PAYMENT. CUSTOMER SERVICE WHERE IS IT? MY USER NAME ON YAHOOO IS yull_1.
ALL SELLERS BOYCOTT YAHOO ON THE FEES DATE JAN 10
BOYCOTT FOR THE WHOLE MONTH
posted on January 5, 2001 01:55:05 PM new
Thank you, forshoppin, for expressing EXACTLY why I list 10 cent trading cards on Yahoo!
If JACKWOLF has never collected anything in his/her life, he/she will never understand about chasing down the one item that will complete a collection, or the thrill of the chase!
If completing a set of something collectible is "garbage", many of us at AW are garbage collectors - but we NEVER go on strike!
posted on January 5, 2001 02:44:10 PM new
Going...going...I am gone. A few auctions are due to expire soon and I have not relisted 300 others that I planned to relist after the holidays (but before the absurd listing fee was announced). Dear Yahoo: Yeah, it is absurd because Yahoo auction activity cannot support any listing fees whatsoever. Not when it can take months to sell an item (after many multiple relists) to the right buyer who somehow stumbled in to Yahoo. Dear Yahoo: You are not eBay -- and with this clumsily stupid decision -- you never will be! If only Yahoo had a clue. Remember, you build it and then they will come...You don't scare away your foundation first.
posted on January 5, 2001 03:20:15 PM new
I think I also will be gone on the 9th at least most of my auctions I will keep a few auctions up 5-10 to have the links to the website but the other 300-400 I will move most likely to half.com since they are books. NO fees until the are sold (15% fee) and only 1/5 of the work if that. It is worth a shot as it will hopefully give me some more time back to develop my websites more. I will be keeping my auctions running this weekend why shot myself in the foot. No fincicial markets are open so it doesn't really matter until Monday.
BTW Yahoo is not doing the free relists thing to be a good guy. Analysts look at January market to predict what will happen for the year. January and their predicts can make or break a company so if yahoo can keep most of the auctions going until the end of the month or near and into Feb that will help them in the over all market scheme. Most of the auctions are for 10 days and most would go into Feb. That would make a big difference for Yahoo. That is another reason I may end them on the 9th but I won't shoot myself in the foot and end them like now. I can still make a few bucks over the weekend and ending now will not make a difference. Not on a weekend.
posted on January 5, 2001 04:32:26 PM new
In reply to labbie1
I think the reason why Yahoo Auction users here in the UK and other countries will not be charged (at the moment) are as follows: 1 - Unlike the US, the UK generally does not have free local calls, I am paying for every minute that I am typing this message - when submitting auctions live with a picture, this amount to about what the fee is anyway. 2 - They are still trying to develop online auctions in the UK.
Don't get me wrong I am against fees - I have been using Yahoo to sell books for the last year. It is always the ones that I list that I think will not sell that DO sell - I probably would not have listed them if there where fees. I think the UK and the rest of the world will get submission fees in about a year, unless it bombs in the US.
posted on January 5, 2001 04:50:42 PM new
rollanotherone:
I think what a lot of us (not all for sure)are saying is that we do not disagree with fees, but we believe YAHOO should be reasonable in setting them.
I had approx 500 auctions, and a sell-thru rate in the single digets a week. In YAHOO's own estimation in financial posts, it will cost sellers $1 to run each auction (including features so someone will see it).
This is in comparison to the approx $1.50 (same financial publication quote) to run the same auction on ebay (including FVFs).
To run 500 auctions, so I can sell maybe 40 a month (hopefully) on YAHOO, it will cost $500 a month. This is too much.
If YAHOO had proposed $.10 auctions, with one relist or even FVF, they would attract the sellers they want, and make selling on YAHOO dooable for many mid-level sellers (such as me).
If I am going to spend what amounts to Ebay fees, it will be on Ebay where the traffic is (or back home at Amazon Auctions, which I like a lot). (I know tentwentytwo - you hate Amazon).
To the Moderator: Rollanotherone is a really delightful person! I hate you met under these stressful circumstances.
posted on January 5, 2001 06:31:37 PM new
i keep nearly 600 auctions running on yahoo at all times... with these new fees, there's no way i can afford to stay with them. i agree with many of you who say they would possibly support a final value fee. but the results at yahoo certainly do not warrant listing fees... not just 1 fee, but 2. i am outraged and i am sad. i will miss yahoo.
posted on January 5, 2001 06:45:23 PM new
Watafind wrote-
<<<To the Moderator: Rollanotherone is a really delightful person! I hate you met under these stressful circumstances.>>>
HAHAHAHA I couldn't stay out of this one. Rollanotherwhatever aka AmazonGrace is a really delightful person? That's like saying I'm nonconfrontational. Are you ok?
posted on January 5, 2001 08:04:05 PM new
Tentwentytwo: Are you confrontational? Gee I did not know that. ~
Rollanotherone is AmazonGrace. You're kidding me!
Just joking - I know! AmazonGrace (had her name recalled by Amazon by the way because of the Amazon). She joins us on the Amazon chatroom and contributes funny stories to help break up the listing monotony. The moderator would go crazy over there...But all in good fun.
posted on January 5, 2001 08:24:28 PM new
I just read the transcript from today's YAHOO CHAT, and am sure that this increase is cast in stone exactly as planned now.
The original question is are you staying or going...I have decided that I will probably cancel my remaining 361 of 500 YAHOO auctions and relist just before the 10th - for 10 days x 2 relists.
Some of my auctions will be moved over to Amazon, some to Ebay, and I will list some on YAHOO until my YAHOO Wallet is flat or I am making money.
As Tentwentytwo and I often debate about Amazon Auctions - I will add to my Amazon analysis of cost vs. income, YAHOO auctions, and start doing an analysis of the YAHOO cost x actual amount of money received from Bidders, and if I make money, I will stay and if not I will go.
I have remained with Amazon because I make money - and If I make money on YAHOO I will stay - if not, I will go.
I've worried about this enough - It is time to get back to work!
posted on January 5, 2001 10:07:33 PM new
GOING.....
Have been selling on Yahoo for almost 2 years and I must say that it was nice, while it lasted & when I actually did get paid for the items. I have had many deadbeat bidders and I will not pay for that!! At least most bidders on Ebay will pay for the items they won! Maybe if Yahoo decides to use a Final Value Fee instead of listing fee, I will return but until then Ebay here I come! Also, there is another free site Auctionaddict.com I might look into that one too!!
posted on January 6, 2001 12:30:09 AM new
First, I'd like to thank all the XLNT members for speaking out on this and the moderators for keeping it fairly sane...
Answer: GOING!
Why:
When eBay couldn't keep its servers up with the loads...we left...not entirely maybe... but a site that offered a small biz the chance to get going made Yahoo an ideal solution. Sure it had a lot of problems, but they did add the "buy-now" feature. The ONE real nice move they ever made! I've already paid for the "Featured" feature, which is decent for the money.
Well, as a seller, I quickly became a member of the Seller Zone there (great place and great peeps to help each other with the Yahoo-Caused problems - flash), where we made hundreds of attempts to clue Yahoo into what would make the site better...no real substantial improvements were made by Yahoo. Bad bidders STILL can't be held accountable (no user info!) so the seller is always at risk of wasted time ($$s lost!) AND slander, not to mention sabotage from unethical-competitors. At least laws help protect the buyer, but not much, which stops most of the potential bids (get it Yahoo...Duhhh!). Searches at Yahoo were clumsy and default listings are a scramble of mixed-ending auctions...YUK.
Well, Yahoo has had a WEALTH of advice and help from the sellers (NW was free work FOR Yahoo by sellers), but managed to goof up or disregard a LOT of good ideas. NOW, they dictate a RIDICULOUS Win-Win scheme for their own benefit and would have ALL believe their spin that it's good for us...What a CROCK! They had the benefit of going to the Seller Zone and using some 800 combined-years of real-world auction experience of sellers to come up with a reasonable plan....but NOooooo. Yahoo's real agenda doesn't match the spin they're spewing forth to all. SURE, it's a great "Business Move"...on paper...LOL...Bean Counters!
The bottom line is: Yahoo IS screwing up! They WON'T accept a reasonable FV-Fee, because unlike what they spew, they CAN'T deliver an increase of ACTUAL-BIDDING viewers. An increase of viewers is not the same as viewing-bidders...Duhhh! Get it? They want the fees up-front while "promising" more bidders, just like candidates, who promise so much before the election...Get it? A FV-Fee would force Yahoo to produce...Hah!
Now on to Yahoo's ridiculous statement that this will "improve" auctions. Most of the little items (they call cr@p and would eliminate to "IMPROVE" the auction site) bring more viewers and bidders for other items...and allow the cheaper items to be sold at a price most people CAN afford...You are hurting me as a buyer (as most sellers ARE!). If you don't understand this...your brain is BROKEN!!!!! Many desireable items don't sell the 1st time around, which doesn't make them cr@p, but it will now cost a new fee to relist! Even eBay gives you a re-list if it doesn't sell...DO THE MATH!!! Yahoo "claims" their fees will be lower than eBay's fees, almost admitting eBay kicks their butt on hits by VIEWING BIDDERS (Yahoo won't admit the last part, why?). If Yahoo charges for every relist, then their fees are about as much as eBay, while offering a 10% relative chance of sale. That means Yahoo could end up costing a seller 10x+ times as much in fees! Still don't get it?? YAHOO: Fix and improve the site...Proove the viewing-bidder increases, then, and only then, let's talk about fees!
OR...is Yahoo Auctions trying to get bought out by eBay...hey, it's not far-fetched..."The Suits" think nothing of screwing hard-working people over, for a $... Ohhhh, I could really have gone on into this a LOT deeper with more clarity too, but just wanted to jot a "few" things down here. Most were covered by XLNT posts already...
[ edited by jrbach on Jan 6, 2001 12:57 AM ]
posted on January 6, 2001 12:34:17 AM new
SO LONG BOY-OES! there just isnt the money to go around with 2 auction/feebased companies. guess they are totaly trying to rock bottom the nasdac. I have a stack of paper work from yahoo dead beat bidders that measures a full 6" thick, if i had filed negative feedback on all the dead beat bidders my rating would have been -500. most of the items we sell on multiple sites are priced at, near, or below our cost depending on how bad we need to get rid of them. yahoo just dont get it. are you listening yahoo try the final value fee based system. why should they care they are like every other big company that makes it off the backs of the small guys like us. if you do get some kind of sale of yahoo, u know how it is it just goes to pay the ebay bill. im sure ebay is having a block party over this news. wish i had competitors this dumb. guess one of the main bosses needs a new bmw, or maybe a new home in the bahammas! Do You want to spend your hard earned money for that? Not me, would just like to keep up with the bills!
posted on January 6, 2001 06:31:09 AM newtonycor Thank you for reminding me to look at conditions outside of our borders. I often forget that it is multitudes different in other countries than it is in the U.S.
Are you listings all garbled up too or are they by ending date? Just wondering.
I still maintain these couple of things:
1) If Yahoo! charges insertion fees I feel the chaos needs to be corrected and the listings put back in ending or starting order so that we get something for our money. I would not be as upset if they corrected the listing order.
2) I am against FVF fees unless Yahoo! puts something in place to address deadbeat bidders. I don't wish to pay for the deadbeats either--though I feel it would be less expensive than multiple relists and features. At least with the blacklist option the deadbeats can be stopped from bidding.
I do believe that the whole affair is written in stone and no amount of cajoling, coaxing or griping is going to make a difference at this point to the PTB.
I sell very well on Yahoo with my items ranging from $5 to $80. These are all high end items that I have discounted to bring in buyers--and the buyers have come happily.
I was able to discount because of the free listings. If I have to pay for listings, I will have to raise the prices to meet Ebay pricing and that will make the bidders go back there.
I mean, part of the fun of the auctions is the adrenaline of "winning" against other bidders who want the item too. On Yahoo, there is very little competition for items overall, so if the price is the same, why not have the fun of winning or even sniping the items on Ebay during fierce competition?
I am looking into other venues. As I said while at Ebay a couple of years ago when Ebay started getting above themselves, we really need multiple strong auction sites to create the competition that makes all of the venues stronger and better.
Unfortunately, I was so engrossed in how to build my business on Yahoo that I forgot that thought and here I am again being shot in the foot. Time to take some business elsewhere and build up another one I guess.
Not taking all of my auctions elsewhere, just most and leaving some here to drum up the business wherever I go--like I did with Ebay and Yahoo. Now I will have Ebay, Yahoo and ???
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