posted on January 6, 2001 07:05:11 AM newrolllanotherone/JackWolfe
While you two, (one?), have the right to voice your opinion(s). There is no just cause to berate the other sellers and their items, regardless of how you feel about your superior offerings, such as claimed. Did you ever think that the sellers you claim to be selling "junk" may be a draw for your self proclaimed superior products?
In good salesmanship smaller priced items are used to entice buyers to the area, in hopes of selling them items that are more expensive. I'm not talking about the 'bait and switch' technique. I'm talking about Wal-Mart, Toys-r-us, Sears, etc, etc. They sell items at cost, and sometimes a loss just to get people to come into their stores. The hope is while there, they will purchase more expensive items. Therefore making the break even, or even loss leaders very viable.
You, or both of you, don't seem to realize with the smaller priced items being withdrawn this will impact your abilitie(s) to move your self proclaimed superior products. You have enough trouble showing respect, to those who helped draw customers to your items. If this is how you interact with others, when the chips are down, you more than likely have little respect for your customers also. I have always found that those who need to 'honk their own horn(s)', usually have very little to honk about. Those that tend to knock others, for self gratification, are the ones in need of assurance. Not vice-versa.
posted on January 6, 2001 08:07:51 AM new
with my auctions ending up with an average of 80% of the bidders being deadbeats.. i certianly won't pay for that!!! So I'll Be Leaving... next thing you know they will want to charge people for the use of their email!!
BTW... anyone intersted in buying a yahoo Auction ID.. mine is up for bids.. heck i may have to try and auction if off on eBay!! atleast there it has a chance to sell!! hahaha
[ edited by preciousminutes on Jan 6, 2001 08:30 AM ]
posted on January 6, 2001 08:37:12 AM new
Going...Why can't they just charge us a % of actual auctions with winning bids...that would seem more reasonable under the circumstances.
posted on January 6, 2001 08:43:15 AM new
JACKWOLFE: Appreciate your slant on things (and even wonder if you work for Yahoo). If you don't, then, well I think you are still calling it as you see it from your vantage point. But not everyone shares your vantage point. One consideration that none of your comments address is that almost every item listed on Yahoo takes 3x or even longer to sell (usually with one single bid) than it does on eBay. This is solely because of the lack of traffic at Yahoo compared to that at eBay. If the <b>idiots</b> (including those at Yahoo) can begin to digest this simple and humble fact, then perhaps you all can eventually understand -- if only a little -- the majority point of views expressed on this message board. <br>
<p>Start by asking yourself: Does every auction I list on Yahoo sell within the first listing timeframe? Do half of the items sell? Less than that? How long is the average an item actually takes to sell because of Yahoo's traffic slowness? Once you've entertained these questions, then consider the sameness of items sold on Yahoo and eBay and all the rest of the auction sites. My, I see many of the same items and also similar items up for sale, don't you? The only difference with Yahoo as compared to eBay is that there are more sellers listing identical items in multiples. Yes, it is true, I have seen it. Even eBay has 10 and more identical auctions from the same seller (with simple title changes to get them past eBay), for example! My point here, is that things sell on Yahoo eventually, if you are patient and wait. Another point is that eBay sellers also offer many items at low prices initially, knowing that the number of eBay bidders generally raises the winning bid considerably. With Yahoo, as you may know, the low bidder base (and the bidder who actually closes the transaction by paying) will not allow this at this point in time. When you list an item on Yahoo, it can take a while before the right Yahooer bids (and most of my sales, incidentally, were from one single bidder!). The same holds true with a majority of Yahoo sellers from what I have determined. What this means is that it would be foolhardy for a seller on Yahoo to start at a low initial price he or she might start at if listing on eBay, because reserves are hardly ever met on Yahoo and if you start low without a reserve, you give your item away with one bid. You see, the bids just don't support regular auction procedures at this point in time for Yahoo. It is sad because Yahoo's bad decision to install listing fees now will prevent Yahoo from competing further with eBay. Yahoo was making progress, but I believe you know it is far from being there yet. Most sellers on Yahoo -- up until January 10th, that is --were sellers dealing with the realities of Yahoo admirably -- helping Yahoo raise its bidder base. <b>The fact that Yahoo pageviews have increased over a matter of time gives lie to the claim that Yahoo needed "cleaning up" to attract more bidders. Even idiots can appreciate this logic, wouldn't you say?</b><br>
<p>While I can appreciate Yahoo shilling for revenue <b>AND</b> trying to streamline the site, they seem to take 3 steps forward and then 3 steps back every time they institute a change in the name of "helping the site". Have they ever heard of a master plan with well thought-out objectives and goals? They seem to have their Public Relations plan down, though. The same inane lies and "corporate hack" one-liners we have come to resentfully ignore.
[ edited by badcompany on Jan 6, 2001 08:54 AM ]
posted on January 6, 2001 09:14:09 AM new
I'm very surprisesd it took Yahoo! this long to add fees, but I'm very disappointed that they chose listing instead of final value fees -- which would have been easier to take. Yeah, yeah they're still going to cost less than eBay or Amazon, but I have a heck of lot more sales on those two than I've ever had on Yahoo!. I'm really going to rethink the whole online auction thing.
posted on January 6, 2001 09:36:49 AM new
CharlieOne wrote-
<<<rolllanotherone/JackWolfe
While you two, (one?), have the right to voice your opinion(s). There is no just cause to berate the other sellers and their items, regardless of how you feel about your superior offerings, such as claimed. Did you ever think that the sellers you claim to be selling "junk" may be a draw for your self proclaimed superior products?>>>
Charlie, let me set you straight on "Rollanotherone." This is a seller that when she actually LISTED auctions, the average GROSS per auction she made on Amazon was THIRTY CENTS for HUNDREDS of auctions.
She sold MANY items (when she sold anything at all) for 10 CENTS to a QUARTER.
And that ain't no exaggeration. So when she talks about "quality," or when she gives advice, or when she sounds righteous, hit the ignore button as swiftly as your mouse can click it.
posted on January 6, 2001 12:31:42 PM new
tentwentytwo
"Charlie, let me set you straight on "Rollanotherone."
Thanks, but you don't seem to get it. The 'superior offerings' remark was meant to be a slight bit sarcastic. I didn't get off the banana boat yesterday.
Dayyyoo, dayyyyooooo, daylight come and me leaving feehoo!
posted on January 6, 2001 12:40:40 PM new
CharlieOne wrote-
<<<Thanks, but you don't seem to get it. The 'superior offerings' remark was meant to be a slight bit sarcastic. I didn't get off the banana boat yesterday. >>>
I have an awfully difficult time understanding people at times, especially auction sellers. I post Rollwhatever's curriculum vitae, and I'm told that I "don't get it" (what is it exactly that I "don't get"?), and I'm assured that you didn't get off the banana boat yesterday, as if anything in my post that you responded to said, indicated, implied, or intimated that, or I care if you did.
A little touchy for no reason, are we now????
By the way, look at the grammar, the style, and everything else about "JackWolfe"'s and "Rollthis"'s posts. The same person? Umm hmm, not real likely.
posted on January 6, 2001 12:51:18 PM new
The "Charlie, let me set you straight...", was a tad bit of an overstatement. Relax, I couldn't care less about those two, one? Who knows, who cares. Someone made a comment that it was the same person, so I joked about it. You need to take a deep breath, and don't get so wrapped up in yourself. Ignore these types, they love to see people get upset. If you have to vent, vent at them. Leave the calm people alone.
posted on January 6, 2001 01:03:03 PM new
Well... Well... Well...
Most of you dont know this but Yahoo was once a very successful site when Onsale had it. The Onsale Exchange. In fact it was the only P2P point of sale that ever generated money sales similar to eBay, we sold there. When Yahoo took this venture over it became an instant disaster and has never recovered from it.
The site has been nothing but a tax deduction. Thats why there is no support as they dont want more liability than its worth.
With that said I did speak to a pal, an insider. While I wont go into specifics suffice to say that the listing fee's are a non-issue, sorta. This site will be closing its doors, mark my words.
For you sellers using it, wanting to get sales eBay or Amazon is the way to go, has been for that matter.
posted on January 6, 2001 01:08:45 PM new
Hey Charles-
Are you for REAL???
<<<Relax, I couldn't care less about those two, one? Who knows, who cares.>>>
YOU do, since you posted a 200+ word post to them. DUH.
<<<Someone made a comment that it was the same person, so I joked about it. You need to take a deep breath, and don't get so wrapped up in yourself. >>>
What are you, Sigmoid Fried? How much do I owe you for the penny-ante psychoanalysis?
<<<Ignore these types, they love to see people get upset.>>>
Like you did?
<<<If you have to vent, vent at them. Leave the calm people alone.>>>
Calm people like you? HA.
I quote from your post to them-
<<<Those that tend to knock others, for self gratification, are the ones in need of assurance. Not vice-versa.>>>
You won't get any assurance form me.
And finally, <click> as in ignore. Seeya, Charles.
posted on January 6, 2001 01:38:23 PM new
Amazongrace huh?
Hmmm....
In any event...
These wannabe and/or self proclaimed "best everything" sellers are at times amazing, a few of them actually are real businesses and the majority are blowing smoke.
We do sell through all "decent" venues, if a point of sale is not performing then we are just wasting our time, time is money, we are a business.
We vend through all of the popular B2C auctions. We have over 20,000 completed eBay sales, we attended Yahoo for a while. Before that, we were the first "anchor tenant (thats what they called em')" at the defunked Onsale Exchange (which is where Yahoo auctions came from).
We CAN and HAVE opened up excellent points of sale for others. We are not about to slap our business name out in forums, we did that once and had nothing but trouble makers appearing.
So... With that said. I have set up a hotmail address. [email protected]
For any LEGIT business thats out there. email us at the above address. We will have a few questions for you... If you can prove your businesses legitimacy we are willing to talk to some of our valued points of sale, the corporate management, and we will do our best to get you into the finest points of sale on the net.
You MUST be a business, you MUST sell new goods only and it mut all obviously be legit for resale. These places have contracts that you will have to enter into etc. We will basically simpy screen whether or not your business is worth forwarding to these points of sale. If so, thats exactly what we will do and put management of said sites in touch with you directly. No shams, no hambone's.
posted on January 6, 2001 05:41:35 PM new
I am leaving Yahoo. I believe they have made a mistake with there new fees, and I am sure the reason they are charging posting fees instead of final value fee is because they would never get anything because no one ever sells much on Yahoo but there are a lot of people posting, so Yahoo has done there Math they know that they wouldn't make anything if they only got a Value fee but a posting fee is a guarantee, I am sure all the Yahoo sellers know what I mean. If I post auctions and get charged fees for posting I may as well go back to E-bay they have a lot more traffic than Yahoo and I made many more sales. I have tried Yahoo a couple of times now and have yet made a sale.
posted on January 6, 2001 05:51:46 PM new
Going, with the fees and the added postal raise you have to up your price to the auction and buyers don,t like that. I can,t either priority mail, confirmation and insurance all rose, it,s expensive to send a package on top of a fee. It took me a long time to build up my feedback and all the hassles and you don,t get that much sales at yahoo unless it,s something hot. You have a better chance to sell a good item at Ebay, but I,m gonna try Pootah and Lycos and maybe help them out.
posted on January 6, 2001 07:03:07 PM new
We are going to keep a very small amount on Yahoo temporarily and will be opening our own web site to sell our merchandise, then removing everything from Yahoo. We are a small business and can't afford to eat up our profits by the fees Yahoo is going to charge. We would have NO PROBLEM with a final value fee, but to pay each time we re-submit just is not cost effective for us. We're also looking at Edeal and PotteryAuction as other options, PotteryAuction is free, Edeal has a final value fee. We are quite disappointed as we were having fun on Yahoo auctions with our business. We will NOT be Yahoo'ing anymore! We are going to boycott Yahoo and JACK WOLFE AND HIS CRAPPY MERCHANDISE!!!
posted on January 6, 2001 07:18:24 PM new
lnlendeavors,
Being a new AW member you may not be aware that our Community Guidelines require conduct to be guided at all times by basic etiquette. Please address the issue at hand not another individual.
To continue posting in the manner you have displayed tonight could result in the suspension of your posting privileges.
posted on January 6, 2001 07:30:05 PM new
Everyone keeps saying that Yahoo has no traffic. THIS IS A MISCONCEPTION. Yahoo has traffic. I recently featured an auction that had over 2,000 pageviews. Even my hottest selling items at Ebay don't get that many pageviews. The problem ISN'T TRAFFIC!!! YAHOO HAS TRAFFIC!!!! The problem is Yahoo's ridiculous listing order. Only a few items at the very top of each category are actually GETTING the traffic.
If Yahoo would just change the listing order back to time-ending, listing fees would be justified in my opinion. If final value fees were all they were charging those would be justified too.
However, leave the site as is and I don't think anyone will be paying for much of anything.
posted on January 6, 2001 07:42:55 PM new
itz not NONSENSE and we are not crappy sellers! Anyone who ever scanned Yahoo auction boards can see the absence of bidders
on a large scale. Pass the word, tell all your friends, soon the ship will sink. And to
think that all this is for predicted 5 cents
a share increase (over the next year) for Yahoo stock. Analysts need analyzing !!!!
My Yahoo relists are deleted. Made $29 in
three months on Yahoo, no bidders = no sales.
Yahoo does not have bidders.....and never will. Count me - out of Yahoo.
posted on January 7, 2001 12:36:47 AM new
did I say you are a crappy seller? NO!!
If you'll re-read my post maybe you'll get that what I said is the listing order on yahoo is crappy.
posted on January 7, 2001 12:41:37 AM new
GOING..GOING..GONE! Myself i was selling at Yahoo because i thought that i could give my customers a more fair price without all the listing fees etc. I haven't listed with Yahoo for the last couple of months anyway because of no traffic. I have been selling there for about 2 years now and have seen all kinds of changes along with everyone else. It seems like they started with cutting down on your listing times and everytime you turn around they were changing something else. I think it really hurt also when they went to this all Credit Cards. Alot of people don't want to deal with credit cards so they cut them all the way out of the system. Now they want to charge fees. No way for me. At times i would have 500 auctions and even at 25cents each that adds up to more than i am willing to give them. If you get a chance read their last two meetings where they explain why and try to tell us of all the great things that are going to happen out of this. I will find somewhere else to park my things for free or go back to ebay and complain about the fees there. At least someone will be looking! Sorry Yahoo that you messed up a good thing for all the great sellers that have tried to stick it out with you from thick and thin. And if everyone leaves there will not be anyone looking for the ones that stay there!
posted on January 7, 2001 06:08:27 AM new
I'm gone too. I tried a few auctions a couple of months ago - no sales. (Same stuff, same price sold at eBay.) I just tried again - had a couple of auctions running while this all happened. I'm cancelling them.
FVF would have been acceptable but not listing fees.
posted on January 7, 2001 07:18:38 AM new
can't go back to ebay because they also charge fees I can't afford it all the time...
most of my items are under $5
I only used ebay for my items that is high in demand...
posted on January 7, 2001 07:20:31 AM new
I just listed my final auctions at Yahoo. I have had a lot of successs with '1st bid wins' auctions there. But I listed things at a very reasonable price, which I can't do if I have to pay listing fees. If I am going to pay fees, I am going back to Ebay for the traffic.
I have built a regular clientele on Yahoo, and am telling all of them why I am leaving, where I am going, and thanking them for making my stay at Yahoo so enjoyable. I really think that these buyers will follow me to Ebay, as will many other seller's regular customers.
Yahoo has cut off their own foot-but maybe that's what they wanted.
posted on January 7, 2001 07:51:28 AM new
I have a few thoughts on the new Yahoo listing fees.
While I am interested in and willing to exchange for the service provided, quite frankly I do not see the advantage at Yahoo.
I have specialized in selling antique and vintage bottles and some china.
I have never had difficulty in locating items to purchase from Yahoo and have done so quite successfully. Nor have I been
"swamped in spam" or otherwise had difficulty as a buyer.
Based on personal and anecdotal experience, then I reject the premise that this will improve the bidder experience.
I moved from eBay to Yahoo for the reason that eBay and the postal service quite frequently profitted more from my
auctions than I did. I have made some sales using Yahoo but I have also experienced a far greater percentage of deadbeat
bidders. In several hundred transactions on eBay I have had only 2 non-paying bidders, in several dozen auctions on Yahoo
I have had three.
Factually, I must now do far more research, as I previously did on eBay to verify that an item will sell on Yahoo at a
price that can make a profit. This increases my overhead in terms of time. That time would be better spent in selling on
eBay, since from my observation and again I am reduced to anecdotal evidence, a rare piece of Millersburg Carnival Glass
sold on eBay at a fair price below its book value but above my reserve, but garnered no interest on Yahoo.
Frankly, items offered at less than half of "book" price, do not sell or worse yet are bid on by deadbeats
who cost time trying to contact them and calculating shipping costs etc, not to mention listing time during which an
actual bidder might purchase the item.
This leads me to the conclusion that without a truly effective handling for deadbeat bidders and some extremely effective
promotion of Yahoo auctions, which entices "new blood" and truly challenges ebay's "market share", I must return to eBay
because the percentage of successfully completed auctions offered by Yahoo is not as effective as eBay despite the higher
cost in time and money.
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