posted on January 12, 2001 04:15:08 PM new
Going
1/ Ebay offers far better value for money and has the browser traffic to support good turnover. Here the same Item can sit for months without a look.
2/ I used an Australian auction site that did the same thing they have marginalised themselves and have gone from thousands of books listed (Im a bookseller)to a few hundred. they are now in the downward spiral to non existance. No Items listed fewer people come = less sales---> so even less gets listed etc
Yahoo needs to examine this move a sales fee would have been more productive.
Perhaps exempting items with low starts say under $20. These are the types of items that cant sustain 10 listings @25c ea to get sold.
Its sad I just got here ,oh well back to Ebay & the others
posted on January 12, 2001 04:15:26 PM new
I am going to list a few items on E deal marketplace, they do not charge to list items, they charge 5% of the final price only if it sells, if it dose not sell it is free, & you can relist as often as you won't to,
posted on January 12, 2001 04:39:01 PM new
I'll be going, Fees to high for storage spot.
Ebay always sells much,much, more,
And I don't want to be left along there, with the likes of Jackwolf, See everyone at Ebay.
posted on January 12, 2001 04:46:15 PM new
Sorry to say it, but I'm outta here too, with my 850 auctions. Yahoo was the perfect place to post low priced items even though sales were slow. I would have supported a percentage of an item sold, but items sell too slowly on Yahoo, to repeatedly pay listing fees. I'm sad that I have to go.
posted on January 12, 2001 04:52:22 PM new
I have been a seller on Yahoo for 2 years. Items sometimes are on for several months before receiving a bid. Would not make sense to pay listing fees for the time it takes to sell an item. Sorry, that it has come to this, but I will be leaving Yahoo as soon as my listings run out.
posted on January 12, 2001 04:58:48 PM new
I AM SORRY TO SAY THAT I WILL BE GOING OR AT LEAST I'LL BE WATCHING ON THE SIDE LINE. I'M SORRY BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND! I HEARD THE WORD YAHOO LONG BEFORE I HEARD THE WORD EBAY! HOW IS IT THAT EBAY HAS ALL THIS TRAFFIC AND YAHOO DOES NOT?
WHY DO PEOPLE ON EBAY BUY EVERYTHING I HAVE TO SELL AND THE PEOPLE ON YAHOO HAVE A HARD TIME BIDDING ON HALF OF THE SAME THINGS? WHEN THEY DO BUY THE ITEM I MAKE LESS PROFIT DOING THE AUCTION FOR FREE THAN I MAKE AFTER PAYING THE FEE'S AT EBAY! IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
SOME WORDS OF WISDOM: EBAY IS DOING SOMETHING RIGHT! NOW IT'S YAHOO'S JOB TO FIND OUT WHAT AND DO IT TOO! THEN CHARGE THE MONEY. GOOD LUCK!! LONNIEC
posted on January 12, 2001 05:23:58 PM new
Well...I tried selling on yahoo ONCE...listed 50 of our best sellers on ebay with an extremely modest starting price with no reserve.....sold 2...got paid for 1...a 2% close to list ratio.......it didn't take what few brains I have to figure out even WITHOUT listing fees that yahoo! wasn't the place for me! After refocusing strictly on eBay I quicky became a power seller...and probably did more dollar volume during this year's Xmas rush than ANY 3 Yahoooers did in their COMBINED Yahoo lifetimes. I've looked at ALL of the other sites (we get invites all the time)...punched in some of the items that I usually sell...there either wasn't any...or there were no bids.....or the starting prices were above retail. Because of the lack of traffic on Yahoooooo...it was once a great place to go steal stuff...and resell it on eBay...lately Yahooooo has deteriorated to mostly sellers trying to open bidding at close to retail or low starting bids with high reserves (as a bidder I despise reserves!)(at least in the categories I shop), and you see mostly the same stuff over and over and over and.....to those of you leaving...eBay welcomes more quality sellers with open arms...if you haven't been there before you won't believe the diference in the traffic....for those of you staying...I'll still try to steal stuff if you start the bidding low enough...but please don't plan your financial future around whether or not Yahooooooooo survives!
posted on January 12, 2001 05:28:34 PM new
I'm Staying!
In fact, I just joined Yahoo! Auctions a day before the fees came into effect and listed as many auctions as I could while it was still free.
I was contemplating whether or not I would sell on Yahoo in addition to eBay (where I've done reasonably well). I thought I might find a niche on Yahoo! for items not selling well on eBay.
From what I've read, it sounds like there will be less competition now with many sellers leaving. I doubt that will make Yahoo! Auctions change their stand on charging fees.
And most importantly, you get what you pay for! If you're running a business, you have to expect there will be a few expenses, and Yahoo! is still cheaper than eBay.
I suppose they figured they would make more money by charging insertion fees rather than final value fees, and it would eliminate a lot of junk.
I can see how some people would try to sell garbage since it cost nothing to list, they had nothing to loose by listing it. So yes, we should see the quality of items improve. On some listings, I've seen almost as many hits on Yahoo! as I do on eBay, that's good considering there are far fewer users on Yahoo!
I think the open minded, entrepreneurial minded sellers will stay. Remember, it takes money to make money!
posted on January 12, 2001 05:38:04 PM new
I sell 15 to 20 plants on ebay for everyone that sells on Yahoo. I am gone. And yes the non-buyers are all on Yahoo. I have never yet had a problem with a buyer on ebay.
Larry R. Barber
posted on January 12, 2001 05:48:49 PM new
I am going. Not enough traffic to warrant
the fees. I'll double my listings on EBAY.
I am also leaving Amazon.
posted on January 12, 2001 05:51:35 PM new
Yahoo was bad when it was free.
But now that they are removing many of the items that one could not sell on ebay, there is not much reason to stay.
I'm more concerned about France, Germany, Italy telling me what I can and can't sell.
We saved there ass in WW2, we should tell the to go take a hike !!!!!!
I THOUGHT in the in the good old USA we could sell historical and reproduction military items no matter what country or war they came from.
I hope a new auction starts up where we could all go and thell Yahoo and Ebay see you later.
posted on January 12, 2001 06:06:27 PM new
I agree - usually people with a high & mightly attidute don't do jack**** anyway as far as sales go. Reason I came to yahoo in the first place was to get away from ebays attidute toward both their sellers (duhh where there money comes from) and buyers. First ebay reserve fees, then "free" paypal (they lied too), now yahoo. Have diligently listed here waiting for sales to pick up - and they never have! I "could" agree with a final value fee - but to keep paying fees and more fees with very little sales? Give me a break. Although I'm not happy with ebay, I sell more there in a week than I have on Yahoo all year! And I do sell low cost high quality items! Oh well......Goodbye to the great buyers and sellers.....I give up...I'm not doing this for my health folks, just trying to make an honest living.
posted on January 12, 2001 06:50:50 PM new
I'LL BE GOING AWOL (ANY WHERE ON LINE) THAT IS A BETTER DEAL OR BETTER TRAFFIC.. MR. WOLFE.. I WILL MAKE SURE TO AVOID YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS.. I'VE HAD MORE TROUBLE WITH DEADBEAT SELLERS THAN BUYERS, ALTHOUGH THAT IS NO SLUR AGAINST ALL YOU GOOD PEOPLE.. MY WORST WAS THE GUY IN BUFFALO NY THAT BURNT 29 OF US ON PSA HIGH END CARDS.. I HAVE REVERSE TRACED HIM BY IWON.COM WHITE PAGES USING THE ADDRESS I SENT THE M/ORDER TO, BUT HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANYWHERE YET (OUT $130.00 ON THAT ONE).. I DEARLY APPRECIATE ALL MY GOOD BIDDERS & BUYERS.. I HAVE ONLY BOUGHT ON EBAY SO FAR.. IF I START SELLING THERE I WILL BE WOLF PUP ENT... THANX JAMES.. P/S THE FEE ON SOLD ITEM SUGGESTED EARLIER I COULD MAYBE LIVE WITH
posted on January 12, 2001 09:23:13 PM new
When my current listings are over I am gone from Yahoo. I started with onsale.com before it became yahoo auctions it was great better than yahoo now with the fees and no comparison to ebay why would anyone stay. ebay will get all my listing now. I use to split the listings and got much higher bids, better buyers, and more of them, why stay with a numb nuts auction? No penalities for non payers and fees up front-yahoo will eat this one and have to back off.
posted on January 12, 2001 10:18:35 PM new
Big decision to make I really like Yahoo, I even like Amazon. The problem is I have tested the market with both low end and high end merchandise. My feedback rating is relatively low on Yahoo since I was new. So I even posted a link to my Ebay feedback to show I was not a joke. That and included the Sqaretrade seal. Still I ran an Identical Advertising Neon Clock on both sites. I did put a reserve on the clock on Yahoo, simply I can not afford to sell the clock for $50.00. I ran the clock for 3 weeks, no buyers. I had the same clock on Ebay started it out at $.99 and sold one each week on Ebay for over $200.00 and one nearly $300.00 and two on off auction sales for $225.00. The Yahoo Items were all bided to be first in placement.
Now on the Yahoo side, I ran Identical Die-Cast Cars and Identical Waterford Ornaments. The cars that did sell on Yahoo brought more then on Ebay, As did the Waterford ornament. Yahoo did give me nearly $1500.00 in credit to use on there auction site. I believe that I will give them the benefit of the trial and see what happens. The bottom line is Yahoo a 100 times better site, with a lot less downtime, you have to have a credit card on file to bid. Many more features. So I am going to stay with them for awhile. Pay them pay Ebay. Sheesh My Ebay bill is $1000.00 to $2000.00 per month at $.20 a listing, I am going to be very busy to run up a bill like that on Yahoo. Advertising is not cheap, I need auctions to promote web sales, the more places it is seen, the more traffic I get. I don't sell my Items for free nor when someone brings their car to my shop I do not repair the Air Condition Free. Lets pull together, if funds are generated Maybe Yahoo will advertise some traffic to the auctions.
posted on January 12, 2001 10:27:55 PM new
Gone with the wind! Let these auctions expire and that's it! As an experiment last night I listed three items of similar appeal, two on ebay and one on yahoo. (I have free credits remaining; wouldn't waste actual money). Overnight one sold for the buy it now price on ebay and later in the day, towards afternoon, the second one on ebay was also bought using bin. I checked the item on yahoo for comparison, it had had one big page view! Hmmmm.....Even without an MBA, I can do the math. For free, for low end stuff, I could park it there and wait. Eventually sales would trickle in. Slowly. But it has been even slower than ever before the last few days and I think the yahoo sellers (who are also yahoo buyers) are gone, as well. I can hear echoes in the auction pages!
posted on January 12, 2001 10:51:41 PM new
I agree with most of the people going...I do not feel the service is good enough to be paying listing fees. Yahoo has a long way to go catch up with Ebay. (Service, Traffic so on.) I have found another free auction that appears it may have potential. I would rather list on a slower traffic site and pay nothing, than list on a slow traffic site (yahoo) and pay fees. You are getting the same result. I'm out of there!!!! Thanks for asking!!!!
posted on January 12, 2001 11:31:43 PM new
SORRY TO SAY I'LL BE GOING. THE LITTLE I MADE HELPED STRETCH OUR SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK, BUT WITH FEES, DEADBEAT BIDDERS, LOW TRAFFIC I SIMPLY CAN'T AFFORD IT. BIDBAY AUCTIONS LOOKS PRETTY GOOD AND THEY ARE STILL FREE, BUT I'LL KEEP ON LOOKING. IF YAHOO CHANGES IT'S INSERTION FEE POLICY AND CHARGES ONLY WHEN AN ITEM SELLS, THEN I HOPE TO BE BACK. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME ADD MY OPINION.
posted on January 13, 2001 04:57:07 AM new
I don't list many items on Yahoo due to the slower bidding, but I believe by charging a listing fee and a reserve fee more sellers will start their items to attract bidders and will keep their reserves in line. It worked on ebay with the reserve fee,now if you don't sell, your cost of the item just went up. Auctions are to sell to the highest bidder, online stores are to set the selling price. Also if prices are reasonable bidders will appear. Plus where can you go and sell an item for lees than a buck expenses. A final value fee is okay, except sellers who don't want to really sell are just taking up space, and it would cost them 0. I spend over $100.00 a month selling on ebay and figure that it is cheap rent, open 24 / 7,
lots of customers, worldwide exposure. Pretty cheap overhead. See ya, Countryjoe
posted on January 13, 2001 06:24:24 AM new
I'm staying. The fees are getting rid of a lot of repeat dead wood that constantly cloggs up the system with 25c items.
posted on January 13, 2001 07:19:19 AM new
I have been selling at ebay for over a year. I noticed a decline in bids and type of bidders over the past 6 months. I was getting ready to try yahoo. I had been "out sick" for a month. I want to thank AW and all of you great people who posted as I was not aware of this, was shocked, and read each and every post.
I sell the gambit..lots of different type things from junque to antiques. It is not worth selling the cheap stuff at any site that charges fees, mostly due to postage costs. With the postage increase it will probably actually cost me money to sell some (cheap, but collectible) stuff.
My problem....I have read (and written down the names of all the sites mentioned by different sellers ~ BUT ~ I am WebTV. I am posting, hoping that a WebTv seller may see the post with some advice re a free listing site that is WebTv compatible. I will also start emailing the sites asking them the same question...."are you WebTv compatible?"
Thnx in advance to anyone who can steer me in the right direction.
posted on January 13, 2001 08:04:45 AM new
"Hey", everyone, AuctionAddict.com looks like a good sight, totally free, they automatically relist, your items for you until they sell, i have listed a few items already, Check it out!!!
posted on January 13, 2001 08:06:50 AM new
"Hey", everyone, AuctionAddict.com looks like a good sight, totally free, they automatically relist, your items for you until they sell, i have listed a few items already, Check it out!!!
posted on January 13, 2001 08:10:04 AM new
i had an item on auctionaddict for a few months with no bids. wasnt too promising for me.
you should try lowestbids.com. they are supposed to be putting out a web based registration soon so that you dont have to download anything.
as for the dead wood leaving yahoo i think theyre losing a lot more than the 25-cent items on that site. check out the thread with the actual listing numbers. pretty scary especially over the last 24 hours.
posted on January 13, 2001 01:43:58 PM new
We have sold on Yahoo for over two years and have sold Top quality Designer Clothing. We were able to offer them at half of retail prices, because there were no fees. With Pay Pal fees, Yahoo fees and rising postage, why bother to go to Auctions?
You bid, you wait for the item, Yahoo has no protection for dead beat bidders and never responded to any seller complaints. And when they did it was some lame form letter not pertaining to questions asked.
We are advertising to all of our hundreds of customers and we are plugging ePier. In E-Mails , on Radio and have spoken to Corporate about making ePier the site that we " The Sellers have made Yahoo" .
Without us building Yahoo, they would be nothing! They are nothing!!!
E-Bay is just a greedy and it will be only a matter of time before the Sellers will bail out on that site also.
JACK WOLFE......you are so full of CRAP!! I am in business to make some Money , to give my Customers a decent and top Quality product. By adding on fees and raising our prices to offset those fees, to line someone elses pockets, is absurd!
Why not just go to the store when there are sales, pay for your stuff, take it home. No waiting, no shipping fees, no Pay Pal fees, no nothing! Simple, not complicated.
What is the purpose of surfing for hours on end for a good deal, if all you are doing is making the CEO rich.
Maybe he needs to get out and work a real job for awhile and stop mooching off the little seller , that gives him his Paycheck!
posted on January 13, 2001 01:55:01 PM new
I think i was one of the first to stand up and proclaim that I am staying a faithful yahoo seller. I'll say it again for those who didn't hear me the first time. Yahoo knows that everything free on the internet will be taken advantage of. This is there reason for placing a minimal listing fee. There are being aggressive in their approach to improve the quality of the auction listings. In business it's be aggressive or be out of business! The only complaint I have about yahoo auctions is that there is no refund on auctions in case of the dead-beat bidders scenario. Rest assured that yahoo will rectify this situation as they did every everything else. Yes you may sell more on ebay, but you also get charged a lot more. You going to have to decide which is best for your business - fast transactions or less fees. Take your pick. I agree with their approach and support them 100%. Long Live Yahoo!!!
eGREED sells first try for $60. more than reserve = $3.00 listing = $244.00 net (after subtracting FVF)
YaGREED takes 3-4 tries to sell at reserve = $9.00 listing = $191.00 net
I don't see how you can honestly claim that yahoo only charges "minimal listing fees" or that yahoo is the better deal.
There are being aggressive in their approach to improve the quality of the auction listings
My items are quality and mostly $100. - $1,500. items and they will not be listed on YaGREED any longer. How does this "improve the quality" of Yahoo Auctions ??? I sold a $15,200. item on YaGREED in the year 2000 --- I would never list such an item there again (it had 3,000 page views) I would have gladly paid a FVF on the item- but not listing fees (it took 3 tries to sell it)
Collectible radios had a high bid / page view / sell ratio even when other parts of Yahoo Auctions were dead (most of my radios had 200 - 1,000 page views each) many of the radios are in the $100. - $1,500. range (and now costs the same to list on eGREED as they do on YaGREED) I seriously doubt that this is the category Yahoo wanted to thin out
Radios:
Pre-Fee: 637
Currently: 507
Decrease: 20% with very few listed after the fee deadline (there have been a few auto-relists)
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