posted on January 18, 2001 08:16:51 AM new
insightwatcher's logic is just as flawed.
"All reasonable deduction says that it has to be the free dollars in the wallet" reeks of paranoia, and besides, comparing a person who violates an auction site "rule" to a drug dealer is ridiculuous.
I'm not convinced we're getting the complete story here. Perhaps a statement like: "I have to presume there was something jwpc had, which Yahoo wanted" should say "I have to presume there was something jwpc did, which was against Yahooooooooo's "rules"" ...
posted on January 18, 2001 09:07:53 AM new
insightwatcher
>- Your rational in the above defies logic. Based on your syllogism here, taking a drug dealer’s car would wake them up to the
error of their ways and then we would immediately "presume" they have learned their lesson and return them to freedom!!!<
I'm afraid it is your interpretation that is flawed. A more reasonable way of looking at the comparison would be that a drug dealer, having had their vehicle seized and presumably experiencing some jail time would have served their punishment {in this case account termination) and at that point would be free to purchase another vehicle and use it for legal purposes. Which is, in fact, the situation.
However, a more reasonable way of viewing it is that yahoo sees the sellers not as individuals, but as accounts. Once the offending account is terminated, a non-offending account would be welcome.
posted on January 18, 2001 10:36:41 AM new
Did you receive any warnings by email in the past? They seem to be cracking down on many things using no common sense whatssoever.
They canceled one of my auctions because it was not deemed to be in the right category. Now they're experts where items fit best? Aren't they just a venue, they shouldn't worry where my items sell best.
posted on January 18, 2001 10:59:12 AM new
Quikdraw- Many times items that are miscatagorized are reported to the sight by the viewers (buyers-sellers) who for some reason are annoyed by such a mistake.
I think yahoo's is "neighborhoodwatch" if you find an item miscatagorized or offensive you just send it to them. I have several items that aren't in quite the right catagory but not bad enough to be cancelled.
The one draw back when you make this error in Yahoo in order to change catagories is you have to re-write the auction which really isn't a problem, I unfortunately delete my photo's after I list so I have to start all over with the scanning process which is a pain so right now I am waiting for them to end so I can start over from scratch.
I had one item cancelled, a few stamps from Iraq, I'm not upset about it, I would rather have Yahoo cancel it then unknowingly sell them to an informant. I believe all auction sites have Mystery shoppers, meaning, fcc, fbi monitoring our activity, much like a drug bust, money must be exchanged or in our case feedback verifies a sale indeed took place.
posted on January 18, 2001 01:20:16 PM new
I’m the one who started this thread, the one whose entire Yahoo account was terminated. After speaking to the Yahoo telephone rep from their auction department who told me nothing but “reread our terms of service” I called again and spoke to another much more highly placed Yahoo rep. This person promised to look into my case and call me back, which he did. When he called me back this is what he told me:
1. He reconfirmed that Yahoo COULD NOT tell exact reasons for terminating an account (perhaps they are scared if they identify exact reasons that there could be legal retaliations, I don’t know).
2. He said that once an account was terminated there was absolutely no way that the account could ever be brought back to life.
3. He said that Yahoo auctions had cancelled about a half dozen of my auctions one day this past October. That's correct, at that time Yahoo sent me an email saying my auctions had been administratively cancelled for violations of terms of service. I immediately tried to get an explanation from Yahoo Auctions as to what SPECIFIC violation(s) I was guilty of so I wouldn’t repeat them in the future but I got nothing but a canned email response. I promptly relisted the items, sold them all and never gave the incident another thought. One of these items was a Southwest Airlines Rapid Rewards 1-way airline ticket.
4. As to why my auctions were cancelled a few days ago and my account terminated, he basically said in a “hint hint, wink wink” manner that one of my 7 auctions was for another Southwest Airlines ticket. He led me to believe that Southwest Airlines has been putting pressure on Yahoo to close the auctions. He also said that since Yahoo had ended my auctions once before (in Oct) I was a repeat offender and therefore my account was permanently closed.
All of the above is true, I have listed and sold many 100% transferrable Southwest tickets on both ebay and Yahoo; in fact at this very moment there are still many of them up for sale (from other sellers) on both sites. Southwest does say that it is against their rules to buy sell or barter these BUT to the best of my knowledge it is not against the any law to do so. I went to the Yahoo Auctions section called “What I Am Not Allowed To Sell” and cut and pasted this: “Non-Transerrable Items:
 Plane Tickets*
*Note: Some items of this nature maybe be appropriate for sale if the sale complies with Yahoo! policies, as more fully described in the Yahoo! Auctions Guidelines, and applicable laws.”
My Southwest ticket was 100% transferrable, but more importantly IF Yahoo had told me back in October that it considered it to be a forbidden item I would NOT have listed more for sale and I would still be a member in good standing in the Yahoo community. My one lesson learned from this is to NEVER make your primary email account a Yahoo one as it can be closed at the drop of the hat and all of your saved emails, address book etc will be lost forever. Thanks to everyone for their help and suggestions. Back to square one…
posted on January 18, 2001 01:51:24 PM new
haoleboy,
Well there is your answer, when we moved our items to yahoo last fall I made sure that what I sold was okay by reading the guidelines a tos, because of the nazi coins and stamps.
At that time yahoo you were allowed 4 boo boo's, you may have lucked out in the long run since you exceeded 4 the first time in October, then did it again when these guidelines were put aggressively into force.
We have yahoo as our secondary account, aol as our primary account. I learned the first week with 30 sales I had to forward all the yahoo mail to my aol account to insure I got it. Since some people just automatically think the nickname is the yahoo email.
posted on January 18, 2001 02:57:37 PM new
Insightwatcher said "All reasonable deduction says that it has to be the free dollars in the wallet."
Apparently you missed my statement "Loss of your account (and it's associated benefits, 'feedback rating, eBay credits, email account') has ALWAYS been the penalty for repeated TOS violations." JWPC has admitted on past threads she always ran double ads and that she always ignored her warning emails. She in fact said she'd simply move the ads to another ID after receiving a warning then move them back to her primary ID when the coast seemed clear. A look at her closed items shows she listed many 7-9 inch switchblade knives which were always a TOS violation.
As far as JWPC learning a lesson, IF she signs up for a new account (like YOU have done on AW just today) how smart would it be for her to keep on spamming and listing switchblades? The wallet credits are gone, she'd have to pay real money to list, do you think she'd risk having paid ads canceled? Or try to build another feedback file only to have it taken away too? IMO that would be illogical. She knows Yahoo's rule enforcement has been slack in the past but they are seriously cracking down now. If she lists in the same way and decides against complying with future warnings it's her responsibility alone (as it was before). I'm lost as to what you think drug dealers have to do with anything.
[ edited by kasmoon on Jan 18, 2001 02:59 PM ]
posted on January 18, 2001 03:20:11 PM new
I'm sorry to hear that Yahoo is continuing it's cowardly, auto-botic-destruction of peoples hard work. If they screw up, it's just an autobot email to them. As IF they care anyway. They left my auctions running, but somehow have put a lock on my bidding and future listing. They replied to my 3-emails after 1-1/2 weeks, only to say that an ID of mine which they MURDERED (40 all-positive rating) had a balance-due?? I never used ANY fee-based feature, so I KNOW this is BS!!!! They want ME to call them to fix it? It's simple, I saked them to tell me what I owe and what for and I would take care of it promptly. Their AUTOBOT!!!! email reply: Here's the link to look up your balance...GEE, the ID is DEAD, so there's nothing to look up...DUHHHH! So, my ID with 117 all-positives is just sitting in Limbo...
Just a note regarding anyone who may be concerned that Yahoo might pull a "deactivation" on them, assuming it's not yet totally dead...
You can transfer a "snapshot" of your feedback to: http://www.feedbacksite.com/default.asp
I'm pretty sure you'll have to refrain from "updating" your feedback picture if your Yahoo ID is MURDERED...otherwise it will capture a picture something you don't want...Also, you'll need to mention that Yahoo killed your ID (if they do), so potential bidders don't waste time taking a look.
Regarding that smart-post earlier...if your Yahoo ID isn't dead yet, change your primary email account right away. Next, you might consider what some of us have done, which is to go to each of your feedback pages...right-click on them to bring the pop-up and select: "Save As"...Either make a new directory first or browse and save each page as a name you'll recognize, to a directory you'll remember. Also, right-click on the icons, etc. and select: "Save Picture As" and save it to the same directory you have those feedback pages.
From this, you can re-construct what the bidder would see if you put this online and use a link to it in your auctions...It will require some editing to make sure it comes out right, so get help if you need it.
posted on January 18, 2001 03:38:55 PM new
tfs13
Sorry, 2 seperate ads for identical items would count as a TOS violation. As I posted on the previous page:
"You may not spam Yahoo! Auctions, including posting any listings that list identical items for sale in multiple listings, whether in the same or different categories"
Haoleboy
Hmmm, that's the first I've heard about Airlines having ads pulled. I still don't see anything specific in the new updated TOS about that. I have read articles about clothing designers having counterfeits pulled, records companies having burned CD's pulled and Sony, Nintendo etc having mod chips & copied games pulled. Microsoft of course is the most extreme, A&E did a full hour on their Investigative Reports show a few weeks ago detailing MS efforts to stop auction sales.
posted on January 18, 2001 11:35:01 PM new
Haoleboy, did you also happen to check the TOS concerning event tickets? Are you aware, for instance, that a face value is REQUIRED to be included in all such auction descriptions, and that some, depending on applicable state laws, may not be sold on auction at all? Just curious... PP
