posted on September 21, 2003 06:03:34 PM
"I think every nation that has nukes never seriously entertains using them ( except maybe North Korea because they have nothing to lose )." I say this as a matter of fact and it is not judgmental although it may come across as such regarding the first use of this weapon.
Roosevelt did make that decision unknown to his Vice President who had to live with the consequences.
posted on September 21, 2003 06:11:15 PM
Yes, of course KD....can't give any credit to Reagan for his accomplishments while he was President, now can we. After all he's a Republican. That's just not allowed by those on the left.
posted on September 21, 2003 06:26:24 PM
Sorry Linda! I don't think Reagan was a good President, but I really liked Jimmy Carter, who wasn't a good President either, so it's not a Republican thing with me.
posted on September 21, 2003 06:28:53 PM
Kraftdinner, about 400,000 families and businesses in Maryland are still without electricity. Schools will be closed again tomorrow. Traffic lights are out, making driving difficult. My daughter returned yesterday from Greensboro, North Carolina and found the situation here worse than in NC... She is still without power.
posted on September 21, 2003 06:39:22 PM
That's great news for you Helen, but sorry to hear so many people are still without power. No electricity is awful!! Did your daughter stay though the hurricane?
posted on September 21, 2003 09:49:47 PM
I don't think Reagan won the Cold War. The Soviet Union was rapidly collapsing on it's own. All Reagan did was waste a lot of money on military crap. He fell for every science fiction weapon the industrial military complex presented to him.
The Vietnam War was a useless exercise in stupidity. The rest of the world did not care an iota about the Communist takeover of southeast asia but the US had such an ego that it actually thought it could win a war like that. It took 58,000+ dead US soldiers to humble the giant. It learned it's lesson until Bush made the same mistake as Johnson. How many dead US soldiers this time before the uS throws in it's cards?
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posted on September 21, 2003 10:27:33 PM
And don't forget that Reagan also opened the door to that wonder that so many are blaming Clinton and NAFTA for. It was Reagan that gave big business all of the tax breaks with the intention of tht money being reinvested in the US only to see billions invested in offshore manufacturing facilities.
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posted on September 22, 2003 02:50:25 AMbut the US had such an ego that it actually thought it could win a war like that. It took 58,000+ dead US soldiers to humble the giant.
You are so very, very wrong. Our US military could have easily won that war. It was a political war where the military wasn't allowed to just go in and do it's job.
I don't know how old you are but Communism was a VERY big threat to our world back then.
How many dead US soldiers this time before the uS throws in it's cards?
I hope we *never* 'throw in our cards' in Iraq. Just as Communism was once a big threat to the world, so is terrorism today.
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fenix - As you know, NAFTA was signed during the Clinton administration. I would be surprise if you were taking the position that he had no choice, he *had* to sign it. I understand when the talks first began, but ultimately it's Clinton's signature on this, imo, failed plan. You know...the one that signs on the dotted line gets the 'credit'. But it does go to show both sides were wrong about the long term affects of this on our economy. Both sides *thought* it was a good idea at the time.
posted on September 22, 2003 08:21:31 AMI don't know how old you are but Communism was a VERY big threat to our world back then.
That was the lie we were spoon fed since birth. Did you see any other nations fighting to stop the spread of communism in Southeast Asia other than South Korea or Australia? No, those 4 nations in SE Asia were destined to fall no matter what and that is what they did. EVERYONE in the world knew it and was content to let it happen but the foolish US. The same thing is happening in Iraq. The US should set up a ruthless puppet regime that will rule their nation with a firm hand and pull out as soon as possible.
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posted on September 22, 2003 08:41:17 AM
:: fenix - As you know, NAFTA was signed during the Clinton administration. I would be surprise if you were taking the position that he had no choice, he *had* to sign it. ::
LInda, you misunderstood the point of my post. What I was pointing out is that while many blame Clinton and NAFTA for the export of American jobs *(which is kind of funny in and of itself when you look at how many of those jobs have actually gone to Asia), that many of these people seem to have short memories. They seem to forget that this offshore rush got it's big push when Reagans corporate tax breaks were used on off shore expansions.
I'm actually not against NAFTA. In the 80's I was against movement offshore. Now it's 20 years later and it's time to accept the changes and the reality of the situation and learn to survive and thrive within it.
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posted on September 22, 2003 08:51:34 AM
Fenix,don't you mean move to Mexico where your same salary here will allow you live 5 times better than those working for you...
It seems to me you are neither striving or trying to thrive... here.
I am still surprised that you want a Democratic President seeing how they all agreed that agreements were wrong and that they will try to change them.
edited to add... yes President Reagan was duped by big business... doesn't mean that mistake by him and President Clinton can't be reversed and changed for the better.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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posted on September 22, 2003 09:36:11 AM
Twelve - who did you think I going to be paying me a salary? Do you suffer from short term memory loss? I have stated I don't know how many times that I am self employed.
A lot of my current clients I will lose when I move because they are not savvy enought to be able to communicate in the electronic world. The couple that I will retain are the ones on the lower end of the fee scale. The remainder of my income comes from ebay... Those sales are going to plummet when I bidders see that shipping will be from Mexico.
The business that I want to build is based on working with Mexican businesses and artisans, there is no salary and for at least the first couple years, there are no employees. When I have employees, they will be well taken care of. I've always overpaid. I'm a softee on that level.
As far as the survival part - I'm doing that quite well here. I'm just bored to death right now and I want a new challenge. At this point in my life I don't strive to find consisantacy and security in my life Twelve and I think the assumption that I might is why you so frequently misjudge my motives.
If I said that I was moving to New Mexico to work with artisans there you would see it as a new challenge and a business move. I say I am doing the same thing but to a different country and you see it as running away to take advantage. What you fail to understand Twelve is that I don't consider Mexico as some foreign land. It's just another place to me, it's another place to explore and to learn about and if possible use my skills and experience to contribute to.
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posted on September 22, 2003 09:45:08 AMwhich is kind of funny in and of itself when you look at how many of those jobs have actually gone to Asia. Yes, and many blame Clinton for that too. Also for selling out our military secrets to China. Anyway...that's another subject.
I still think NAFTA needs to be revisited. We had a thread here once about how some in Canada felt Canada was getting the 'shaft' from the US. So, if both the US and Canada are overall unhappy with how it's turned out, changes can be negotiated.
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Also for selling out our military secrets to China. Anyway...that's another subject.