posted on May 31, 2001 05:32:14 PM new
I'm a newbie to BV not to online auctions.
I have two years under my belt and I have visited many, many auction sites that have sparse listings and NO bids whatsoever.
BV has bids, fresh listings daily and an excellent group of Seller's willing to make it work. That's why you attack BV as you do. Are we hanging out at ePier shooting down the mood? No.. we are not to my knowledge. In fact, I visited ePier once, and I was not impressed.
You can say all you'd like to try and kill the spirit, but it cannot be done. I can tell you that your never-ending negative remarks, and attempts to dispel the hard work and aspirations of good people trying to find a niche at BV will not be tolerated there much longer. There are more of us than there are of you. Negative comments will be countered, and eventually your words will mean nothing to anyone. That's just way it is with negativity. It's an inherently weak method, and certainly not one that promotes your own success. May I respectfully suggest that if you were to put as much effort into your auctions as you do these message threads
you'd have quite the successful little business.
posted on May 31, 2001 06:25:36 PM new
You really need to start hearing people instead of just trying to dissect everything said. Did eBay or Yahoo have Bidder's instantly?
It is obvious what your purpose is. Don't you see how transparent you are? Do you not realize how pathetic it is to attempt to derail your competition with sniping? Do you find BV a threat?
I think that you probably do.
posted on May 31, 2001 06:36:53 PM new
cuff >
It is obvious what your purpose is. Don't you see how transparent you are? Do you not realize how pathetic it is to attempt to derail your competition with sniping? Do you find BV a threat?
I think that you probably do.
I have to wonder how you reached those conclusions. I have auctions listed at BidBay, Bidville and ePier. In fact, this evening I closed a $1 "take-it-now" auction on Bidville, which does not change the overall statistics or my own analysis of the sell-through rate at Bidville.
Of course, I did nearly fall off my chair when Bidville's e-mail notice arrived.
edited for clarity.
[ edited by dimview on May 31, 2001 06:44 PM ]
Stamps
United States 1/10 (26,678) 3/18 (2306) 4/24 (1908) 5/31 (2186) -91%
United States> Air Mail 1/10 (576) 3/18 (73) 4/24 (74) 5/31 (69) -88%
United States> Back of Book 1/10 (324) 3/18 (31) 4/24 (24) 5/31 (26) -91%
United States> Booklets & Coils 1/10 (598) 3/18 (103) 4/24 (80) 5/31 (104) -82%
United States> Collections & Bulk Lots 1/10 (784) 3/18 (138) 4/24 (88) 5/31 (134) -82%
United States> Confederate 1/10 (2) 3/18 (6) 4/24 (7) 5/31 (4) 100%
United States> Duck Stamps 1/10 (446) 3/18 (67) 4/24 (47) 5/31 (57) -87%
United States> Errors, Freaks, and Oddities (EFOs) 1/10 (54) 3/18 (10) 4/24 (7) 5/31 (15) -72%
United States> Event Covers 1/10 (702) 3/18 (64) 4/24 (41) 5/31 (59) -91%
United States> First Day Covers 1/10 (7,703) 3/18 (455) 4/24 (415) 5/31 (523) -93%
United States> General Issue 1/10 (5,748) 3/18 (509) 4/24 (377) 5/31 (492) -91%
United States> Novelty & Reproductions 1/10 (14) 3/18 (9) 4/24 (1) 5/31 (4) -71%
United States> PlateBlock/Multiples 1/10 (4,636) 3/18 (364) 4/24 (257) 5/31 (337) -92%
United States> Postal History 1/10 (72) 3/18 (26) 4/24 (19) 5/31 (10) -86%
United States> Postal Stationery 1/10 (240) 3/18 (30) 4/24 (29) 5/31 (30) -87%
United States> Revenues 1/10 (1,143) 3/18 (26) 4/24 (16) 5/31 (11) -99%
United States> Sheets 1/10 (1,521) 3/18 (218) 4/24 (347) 5/31 (257) -83%
United States> Supplies 1/10 (90) 3/18 (9) 4/24 (11) 5/31 (18) -80%
United States> U.S. Dependent Areas 1/10 (94) 3/18 (9) 4/24 (2) 5/31 (2) -97%
United States> Other 1/10 (1,931) 3/18 (159) 4/24 (66) 5/31 (34) -98%
World 1/10 (62,747) 3/18 (4792) 4/24 (3208) 5/31 (3531) -94%
World> Africa 1/10 (387) 3/18 (54) 4/24 (30) 5/31 (39) -89%
World> Asia 1/10 (6,254) 3/18 (815) 4/24 (143) 5/31 (186) -97%
World> Caribbean 1/10 (206) 3/18 (41) 4/24 (58) 5/31 (26) -87%
World> Central America 1/10 (64) 3/18 (30) 4/24 (9) 5/31 (13) -79%
World> Covers 1/10 (88) 3/18 (96) 4/24 (72) 5/31 (34) -61%
World> Europe 1/10 (11,452) 3/18 (690) 4/24 (538) 5/31 (521) -95%
World> First Day Covers 1/10 (108) 3/18 (3) 4/24 (7) 5/31 (20) -81%
World> Middle East 1/10 (78) 3/18 (29) 4/24 (21) 5/31 (20) -74%
World> North America 1/10 (28,183) 3/18 (2384) 4/24 (1985) 5/31 (2253) -92%
World> Oceania 1/10 (1,955) 3/18 (74) 4/24 (53) 5/31 (43) -97%
World> South America 1/10 (1,298) 3/18 (83) 4/24 (30) 5/31 (41) -96%
World> Stationery 1/10 (2) 3/18 (0) 4/24 (1) 5/31 (1) -50%
World> Thematic 1/10 (653) 3/18 (107) 4/24 (53) 5/31 (149) -77%
World> United Nations 1/10 (122) 3/18 (10) 4/24 (2) 5/31 (10) -91%
World> Other 1/10 (11,897) 3/18 (376) 4/24 (206) 5/31 (175) -98%
Start total 1235311
3/18 total 90787 down by 92 %
4/24 total 84721 down by 93 %
5/31 total 84014 down by 93 %
Seems to be holding very steady, but there seem to be changes to the category tree which may corrupt this counting. For example there is now a link such that the 1150 sports cards>racing is redundantly added into sports memorabilia>racing (which otherwise would show a dramtic drop as the Dale Earnhardt hearse chase has abated somewhat).
posted on May 31, 2001 08:11:20 PM new
Sheesh --- I don't think there is anyone who posts on this board who would like to see Bidville fail!
Indeed, just about everyone would LOVE to see a site challange ebay.
Maybe it will be Bidville, maybe not... In the meantime, everyone has valid first-hand observations on all these alternitive sites.
Taken in total, there is a massive amount of online auction experiance here on these boards. I would hope the folks from Yahoo, Bidville, Epier and the rest would visit here from time to time and take the comments found here to heart...
posted on May 31, 2001 10:15:02 PM neweBay has a sell-through rate reported to be around 30%. - dimview
Actually, Ebay has a success rate of about 50%. Yahoo's success rate is about 30%, but of course you folks knew this long before it was reported recently.
posted on June 1, 2001 02:34:54 AM new
I'm sleep deprived so correct me if I'm wrong. Is Cuff suggesting free speech and differing opinions are not welcome? Factual figures which prove the sell-through rate is lousy should not be posted publicly. Anyone not responding "BV is great, BV is great" is to be chastized as a negative thinker and accused of being out to destroy the site?
All of that from the poster who first stated "For anyone who is curious about Bidville I respectfully request you make your own judgements rather than taking the word of any one person here."
I have judged the site for myself. I see categories with hundreds to thousands of items yet sorting by bids reveals a 0-5 average. I tried to browse but clicking the first 20 or so alledged "new" ads in many categories I found them to be the exact ads I've seen & passed on week after week after month. It's hard to like that 99 relist feature when you attempt to shop. I tried to escape the tedious browsing by posting to the Wanted Board a week ago but have yet to get any responses. I found it hard to believe half the people posting to the msg boards could possibly be adults. The few threads I read before abandoning their boards sounded like a bunch of 3rd graders.
So it's OK for Cuff to say "I visited ePier once, and I was not impressed" (sounds like rather a snap judgement IMO). But it's somehow not OK for me to say I visited BV several times over many months and am not impressed with parts of it. Well I'm saying it anyway, everyone is entitled to post their honest assessments good or bad. I am not out to destroy the site, I sincerely wish BV and all its sellers much success. I avoid the parts I don't care for-browsing & the msg bds- and stick with posting my ads and leaving. I have sold over 50 items so that probably puts me in the higher success rate tier for BV sellers. I am positive about MY future there but that does not color my opinion of how bleak I realize it is and has been for others. I'm not about to tell them to shut up when they have a valid complaint or make wild accusations as to their motives.
posted on June 1, 2001 07:00:15 AM new
You would not believe what a purveyor of free speech I really am, and I'm not telling anyone to shut up. I'm saying it is not necessary to run into every new post here or anywhere else, and slam the originator for daring to have an idea.
I'm not talking about one instance of this type of behavior. As a new Bidville member checking out the message boards it became immediately clear who was FOR bidville and who was NOT. Understand... I wasn't even looking or expecting to find bashers. As I ran around the message boards looking at ideas I noticed it was always the same few people shooting down the ideas. Let's just say a rather OBVIOUS pattern emerged.
Deliberately overshadowing enthusiasm is underhanded. Hiding behind multiple ID's in an effort to sabotage a site is cowardly.
People are visiting Bidville. I'm sorry if you find that disconcerting. Deal with it and move on.
BTW I visited ePier long before I ever found Bidville. I rejected it immediately because I did not see anything promising there. I'm so thankful that I received an email from an ex-Yahoo seller directing me to BV, and guess what... I'm not alone.
I have to go list more items now. We are all busy at BV getting the word out and it's working!
posted on June 1, 2001 08:18:51 AM new
Hi Guys! I'm back after a hiatus looking for a woman. Well... actually, one found me! I guess that's the best way for things to work out!
Any way I'm here to annoy everybody again. I'm going to BidVille and insert my multiple listings, for the same item, with minor variances!
Their numbers should go up a bit as I list my 500+ items in the toy, comic, trading card, and artwork categories.
I haven't checked BidVille's policy on multiple items, and don't care... so get your sniping fingers ready to type away and complain to BidVille about my multiple listings!
posted on June 1, 2001 08:48:35 AM new
cuff >
Let's just say a rather OBVIOUS pattern emerged.
Really? I glance at those chatboards and see no such pattern. In fact, I see alot of discussion about the need for bidders and buyers and suggestions of how to accomplish that goal.
Deliberately overshadowing enthusiasm is underhanded.
And what is it when the overview statistics and the conslusion drawn from them "overshadow" that enthusiasm? I call it REALITY.
Hiding behind multiple ID's in an effort to sabotage a site is cowardly.
That's a wild accusation. If you believe anyone at AuctionWatch is using multiple ID's for whatever reason, e-mail [email protected].
People are visiting Bidville. We are all busy at BV getting the word out and it's working!
I'd sure like to see some evidence of that. You know, statistics.
posted on June 1, 2001 09:08:33 AM new
You forgot to paste this part...
BTW I visited ePier long before I ever found Bidville. I rejected it immediately because I did not see anything promising there. I'm so thankful that I received an email from an ex-Yahoo seller directing me to BV, and guess what... I'm not alone.
BTW again... statistics are generally used to gather information over a long period of time. You are speculating, and that's fine as long as you don't claim to have some great statistical crystal ball that provides you with additional information such as Seller determination and effort. Numbers don't mean squat the first few years. If you are such the great statistician you should know that.
I'm done here for the day. See you all at Bidville!
posted on June 1, 2001 09:20:01 AM new
cuff >
statistics are generally used to gather information over a long period of time. Numbers don't mean squat the first few years. If you are such the great statistician you should know that.
Actually, with auctions generally running for seven days, that's the time period for determining the sell-through rate.
As recently determined, the sell-through rate at Bidville is somewhere between 0.1% and 0.2%, ePier is 1.4%.
To put those numbers into perspective, eBay is 50%, Yahoo!Auctions is 30% (although I have my doubts on that one, will have to take a look at it myself.)
posted on June 1, 2001 10:26:48 AM new
Dimview--I'm running approx 90 a week. (Using funny money) Approx 10 a week are selling. Approx 1/3 of these sales are ending up deadbeat bidders. So actual completed sales are running 6 a week. If that helps any with the statistics stuff.
posted on June 2, 2001 02:29:57 PM new
There's no way in heck eBay has a 50% sell-through rate and even less chance Yahoo has 30%! Just go search any closing category and see for yourselves. eBay may be more like 20% and maybe twice that for the really, really low-priced items people are giving away.
I'm going to BidVille and insert my multiple listings, for the same item, with minor variances!
