posted on April 1, 2004 04:37:31 PM
kiara - And I have repeatedly asked you to quit repeating yourself.
I know what you say.....and I can read what you type. Even your little supposedly funny post about stretching to find something positive to say about Bush.
Now, you will probably need to copy paste that repeatedly, sometimes providing clarification with references back to this thread - over and over and over.
posted on April 1, 2004 06:23:15 PM
"People who would do these deeds to other human beings are 'evil'. And they will pay for what they did, rest assured." - Linda K
"This evil needs to be destroyed." - Linda K
"these evil "people" were actually in positions of power and they committed atrocities like this for decades." - ebayauctionguy
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The image posted at the top of this thread shows the remains of a civilian Iraqi taxi driver and his cab. It is a still photo, taken shortly after he was liberated by heroic coalition forces.
I agree with Linda. The perpetrator of this evil, George Bush, needs to be destroyed.
posted on April 1, 2004 06:32:49 PMNow YOU who said, in the past, that genocide was the only thing that would work against terrorists nations like this.
But Iraq isn't a terrorist nation. They had nothing to do with al Qaeda. Iraq in fact by comparision had a secular government.
I hope you're not suggesting that it is the United State's place to go after every evil dictator in the world.
9-11 had nothing to do with Iraq. It has everything to do with Bush lying about why we should invade Iraq.
Iraq is the wrong battle and the wrong country.
Bush lied to us and 600 Americans are dead. I would prefer he would lie about his sexual escapades, a lot fewer people would lose their lives.
posted on April 1, 2004 06:36:24 PM
hibbertst - See....that just points out how misguided people who think that way are. Because this President didn't commit those atrocities. Those who have been raised with this hatred did. And this hatred for American's didn't start with this administration.
For some reason, some people have trouble putting the blame on those who commit these terrible acts. And instead blame a President who is working to end this type of terror.
posted on April 1, 2004 06:40:08 PM
reamond - That's a matter of opinion. The last three administrations were all on the same wave length in regards to the threat saddam posed and on removing him from power.
posted on April 1, 2004 06:43:55 PMThis group has always been the strongest supporters of saddam and what his regime stood for.
How do you know who they are/were ?
How sad you are so very understanding of how THEY must feel when the the people they murdered were there to aid the Iraqi people who want to govern themselves and are happy saddam is no longer in power.
Yes, Halliburten and all the other corporate thieves that support the Bush administration are there with unbid contracts to aid the poor Iraqis.
If we want them to govern themselves then we should allow them to write their own pro forms constitution and get the h3ll out of their.
Instead we have inserted first class liars and weasels like Chilabi into power in Iraq, who lied about WOMDs and we paid him well for this "intellegence", even after the Bush administration was told he was lying. He in effect was paid to provide the lies for Bush to invade Iraq.
posted on April 1, 2004 06:51:51 PMThat's a matter of opinion. The last three administrations were all on the same wave length in regards to the thread saddam posed and on removing him from power.
But it is not a matter of opinion that Iraq had nothing to do with al Qaeda and 9-11. Iraq was not a terrorist nation and had no WOMDs.
The only "threat" Saddam posed might have been to the disruption of the oil supply.
But as long as he was a threat to Iran we armed and aided Saddam in killing 1 million Iranians and we knew he was using gas on the Iranians and still supported him.
But you think Saddam was a threat ? Wait until you see the Shiite Islamic Republic that replaces him in Iraq. What the world is going to find out is that Saddam, as cruel as he was, kept the fundementalists at bay, and prevented Iranian Shiites from joining up with the Iraqi shiites.
Bush is an a$$hole and a liar. He hasn't liberated anyone, he has created a mess. It is no wonder Colin Powell was against this.
If I were a Sunni I would be blowing up everybody too, hoping the US never leaves.
posted on April 1, 2004 07:01:00 PM
I wonder if the wives, children and families of those those 4 Americans jumped for joy as many on this board and news agency have on the need to publish a shock & aw to try proving a point. What a wast...
posted on April 1, 2004 07:05:21 PMHow do you know who they are/were ?
It's been reported in different online news that this area was the area that most benefitted from saddam's 'favors'....they were his staunchest supporters, some worked directly for him and that this group are upset they won't have the same 'benefits' under the new Iraqi government.
These weren't Halburton employees, reamond, but no matter who they were, no one deserves this sort of treatment, imo.
The Marine's will deal with those who committed these horrible acts. Just as the Army did when there were outbreaks of fighting in other areas of Iraq. House to house searches, limited travel through check points, etc. And since those smiling faces were are camera ....they'll be easily found.
And I'm sure we'll be hearing from the likes of helen who was so upset about those house to house searches that were being done in other areas. The searches that were finding the weapons that were being used against our own soldiers. Oh.....how unfair. And those poor children....the same ones tearing the bodies of their fallen victims apart...the same one grinding his heal in the head of another victim.
Whether you agreed with this war or not....kerry has made no statements about pulling out our troops. Under the Bush administration it's not going to be a repeat of clinton's samolia.....run....and be called a paper tiger.
If we lose this war, which the Bush administration won't allow to happen, the terrorists who have all been raised with this hatred will have won and this will only be a small sample of what's in store for America.
posted on April 1, 2004 07:11:37 PMI wonder if the wives, children and families of those those 4 Americans jumped for joy as many on this board and news agency have on the need to publish a shock & aw to try proving a point. What a wast...
Who's jumping for joy ? No one. But there are a lot of people who are hopping mad about the lies that got us to this point in the first place.
posted on April 1, 2004 07:20:32 PM
And more than 1/2 the country who supports this President's actions. Don't forget them. They don't believe they were lied to on Iraq by either clinton nor Bush.
posted on April 1, 2004 07:21:45 PMIt's been reported in different online news that this area was the area that most benefitted from saddam's 'favors'....they were his staunchest supporters, some worked directly for him and that this group are upset they won't have the same 'benefits' under the new Iraqi government.
So you really don't know. I doubt the children shown had been in saddam's regime for decades.
These weren't Halburton employees, reamond, but no matter who they were, no one deserves this sort of treatment, imo.
You go in and take over someone's country and then start telling them how to run "their" government, there is no telling what you deserve. Are you forgetting that's how a group of revolutionaries got stated in America?
The Marine's will deal with those who committed these horrible acts. Just as the Army did when there were outbreaks of fighting in other areas of Iraq. House to house searches, limited travel through check points, etc. And since those smiling faces were are camera ....they'll be easily found.
Yes, we have firm control over the Iraqi population. How many hours before the next bomb goes off ?
And I'm sure we'll be hearing from the likes of helen who was so upset about those house to house searches that were being done in other areas. The searches that were finding the weapons that were being used against our own soldiers. Oh.....how unfair. And those poor children....the same ones tearing the bodies of their fallen victims apart...the same one grinding his heal in the head of another victim.
Well... our founding fathers thought it was pretty unfair. So unfair that they mentioned it in the Bill of Rights. We can add this to the lack of freedom of the press and no second amendment for Iraqis.
Whether you agreed with this war or not....kerry has made no statements about pulling out our troops. Under the Bush administration it's not going to be a repeat of clinton's samolia.....run....and be called a paper tiger.
No it looks like under Bush we have another Vietnam - complete with a bright and shining lie as a reason to invade Iraq. The question is just how many Americans will be killed before we are forced to leave.
If we lose this war, which the Bush administration won't allow to happen, the terrorists who have all been raised with this hatred will have won and this will only be a small sample of what's in store for America.
Again you unartfully interchange the Iraq invaision with the war on terrorism. Iraq has nothing to do with 9-11 or al Qaeda. How can we "lose" the invaision of Iraq ? There is no way to win this invaision.
posted on April 1, 2004 07:33:45 PMWe can add this to the lack of freedom of the press and no second amendment for Iraqis
I've not read about the Iraqi's getting their own Constitution in place yet. So...it appears to me that no freedoms are being violated at this point.
Even in American, reamond, if a group of people were calling for the killing of another group...it wouldn't be allowed nor covered under our own Constitution. It would be consider a hate crime and against the law.
But it appears some prefer to see our soldiers and the newly formed Iraqi police be fair 'game' for any group, by supporting the actions/free speech of those who call on others to commit these same actions on our soldiers or those trying to bring peace to the area....even if they're there to HELP THE IRAQI people.
posted on April 1, 2004 08:18:28 PM
What makes you think the Iraqis need a "second" admendment?
They are not the US and need to form thier own constitution
We do have firm control over that country, you cannot call random bomb attacks as a loss of control... not even the police here in the good ol USofA have comeplete "control" over any city. But nice try...
We will win even if by attrition... Britain has done it already, IRA quit because they could not beat them.
We will win because they cannot beat us, eventually they will run out of hiding places, this nothing like Vietnam, there is no north for enemy to run to, the people will not support these people forever.
Once the government is in place and running we have done our job... that is victory.
Linda, as you have so aptly have pointed out these people are anti-american and I believe take some grim satisfaction of our brave soldiers deaths because it looks bad for President Bush.
Their hatred of the President clouds any rational judgement.
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posted on April 1, 2004 08:22:17 PMI've not read about the Iraqi's getting their own Constitution in place yet.
Their pro forma constitution is already in place.
But it appears some prefer to see our soldiers and the newly formed Iraqi police be fair 'game' for any group, by supporting the actions/free speech of those who call on others to commit these same actions on our soldiers or those trying to bring peace to the area....even if they're there to HELP THE IRAQI people.
I would prefer to have our soldiers leave Iraq and go after terrorists. But I am curious why it was OK for our Minute Men to ambush and kill British soldiers, but the Iraqis somehow are to be condemned for the same thing?
The only sad thing is that we have had all these soldiers killed and maimed in Iraq due to that lying sack of sh1t George Bush.
posted on April 1, 2004 08:34:24 PM
Yes, twelvepole, it's VERY hard for me to understand how any American would call for/support freedom of the Iraqi press and for freedom of their airways when they are promoting the deaths of our own soldiers.
And those same people would be screaming bloody murder if our American press and radio stations started calling for the deaths of [say] abortionists or blacks. But they see our soldiers somehow differently. I sure don't. And the actions that were put in place was to stop just that.
posted on April 1, 2004 08:57:13 PMThey are not the US and need to form thier own constitution
Who do you think imposed the pro forma constitution on the Iraqis ? We did. The Shiites have already said that it will have no force. But wait and see what happens when the Shiite majority takes over in June. We'll see who says they should form their own constitution. They have already stated that Iraq must be an Islamic Republic.
We do have firm control over that country, you cannot call random bomb attacks as a loss of control... not even the police here in the good ol USofA have comeplete "control" over any city. But nice try...
Yeah we have bombs going off all over here in America. It is not a matter of having control, it is a matter of having their hearts and minds. We don't have control, or their hearts and minds.
We will win even if by attrition... Britain has done it already, IRA quit because they could not beat them.
Yeah they won. They lost the whole southern half of the country, and if they have true elections they'll lose the rest. But I don't know who could call Ireland a victory. The IRA isn't dead yet either, it's just reposed due to a peace treaty.
We will win because they cannot beat us, eventually they will run out of hiding places, this nothing like Vietnam, there is no north for enemy to run to, the people will not support these people forever.
There is Iran to run to. But it is not a case of us winning, we can't win, there is no way to win in Iraq. We were beat the day Bush decided to lie to support an invaision of Iraq.
Once the government is in place and running we have done our job... that is victory.
So we have won when there is another Islamic Republic in the Persian Gulf?
Linda, as you have so aptly have pointed out these people are anti-american and I believe take some grim satisfaction of our brave soldiers deaths because it looks bad for President Bush.
We are anti-Bush. He is a liar and has blood on his hands. It is easy to be a pseudo-patriot when you side with the government, it takes a real patriot to piont out his government's wrong doing.
Their hatred of the President clouds any rational judgement.
I do hate presidents that lie in order to invade a country. And it is very rational to hate liars. It is irrational to blindly support such a liar.
posted on April 1, 2004 09:03:29 PMYes, twelvepole, it's VERY hard for me to understand how any American would call for/support freedom of the Iraqi press and for freedom of their airways when they are promoting the deaths of our own soldiers
Not hard if you remember our own history. What do you think American presses were turning out about the British when they were occupying us ? Our press advocated killing the British.
You can't seem to overcome your self righteous positions. If we Americans think it is good, it must be good for everyone?
We can demand and fight and kill for our own freedom, but it's not OK for anyone else to.
On a personal level, seven in 10 Iraqis say things overall are going well for them — a result that might surprise outsiders imagining the worst of life in Iraq today.
Fifty-six percent say their lives are better now than before the war, compared with 19 percent who say things are worse (23 percent, the same). And the level of personal optimism is extraordinary:
Seventy-one percent expect their lives to improve over the next year.
posted on April 1, 2004 09:15:05 PM
I don't see anyone here being anti-American or promoting the death of the soldiers just because they don't agree with Bush's policies.
Some really like to spin things to make themselves sound good. Thankfully most readers should be intelligent enough to see what's really being said here by all.
posted on April 1, 2004 09:31:57 PMSeventy-one percent expect their lives to improve over the next year
Could that have anything to do with the US pulling out in June ??
From your own article:
More Iraqis say the United States was right than say it was wrong to lead the invasion, but by just 48 percent to 39 percent, with 13 percent expressing no opinion — hardly the unreserved welcome some U.S. policymakers had anticipated
As many Iraqis say the war "humiliated" Iraq as say it "liberated" the country; more oppose than support the presence of coalition forces there now (although most also say they should stay for the time being); and relatively few express confidence in those forces, in the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority, or in the Iraqi Governing Council.
The only reason we keep forces there is to intimidate so "our" type of government is installed, including the people we want in office.
Iraq won't be free until we are gone and they decide one way or antoher what their governemnt will be.
posted on April 1, 2004 09:36:14 PM
I edited my post to include:
Personal Lives
On a personal level, seven in 10 Iraqis say things overall are going well for them — a result that might surprise outsiders imagining the worst of life in Iraq today.
And as the article also says....they don't want us to leave yet.
posted on April 2, 2004 03:44:20 AM If we Americans think it is good, it must be good for everyone?
Reamond you asked this question, but at the same time lambaste the President and Administration for Iraq's constitution... do you actually remember what you post or just like flip flopping for the fun of it?
No wonder you like Kerry so much... you and he have similar attitudes... as long as it is against President Bush and country it is ok...
posted on April 2, 2004 08:51:15 AMReamond you asked this question, but at the same time lambaste the President and Administration for Iraq's constitution... do you actually remember what you post or just like flip flopping for the fun of it?
Not flip flopping at all. We are forcing our standards on Iraq. I lambaste the president to show what a hypocrit he is.
posted on April 2, 2004 01:52:18 PM pita linda. I wasn't here last night when you posted this incorrect information about what the "likes of helen" said back in November. When I saw it today, I knew from past experience that you wouldn't bother to correct it so I have.
You said, "And I'm sure we'll be hearing from the likes of helen who was so upset about those house to house searches that were being done in other areas. The searches that were finding the weapons that were being used against our own soldiers. Oh.....how unfair. And those poor children....the same ones tearing the bodies of their fallen victims apart...the same one grinding his heal in the head of another victim."
Posted below is the comment that I posted. In the future I wish that you would refrain from posting what you remember about my comments.
TIKRIT, Iraq - In a tactic reminiscent of Israeli crackdowns in the West Bank and Gaza, the U.S. military has begun destroying the homes of suspected guerrilla fighters in Iraq's Sunni Triangle, evacuating women and children, then leveling their houses with heavy weaponry.
At least 15 homes have been destroyed in Tikrit as part of what has been dubbed Operation Ivy Cyclone II, including four leveled on Sunday by tanks and Apache helicopters that allegedly belonged to suspects in the Nov. 7 downing of a Black Hawk helicopter that killed six Americans.
Family members at one of the houses, in the village of al Haweda, said they were given five minutes to evacuate before soldiers opened fire.
"This is something Sharon would do. What's happening in Iraq is just like Palestine."
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