dave_michmerhuizen
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posted on October 26, 2001 07:25:03 PM new
1. So, whaddaya think of the yahoo warehouse - an attempt on half.com's business? If half changes the way they do things, warehouse could take off.
2. Does anyone know the fee structure for yahoo classifieds? I looked all over and couldn't find a thing.
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keziak
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posted on October 26, 2001 08:02:03 PM new
I tried the URL but it didn't work... ??
keziak
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zzyzx000
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posted on October 26, 2001 08:36:57 PM new
I listed 5 books tonight. The 1st 4 went ok but the 5th one choked on the final click. Maybe the system crashed. Fees are 10% on $50 or less and less the higher the price. Watch out for shipping options. Yahoo pays fixed fees for Media Mail and Priority mail, so if you have a heavy book don't allow Priority or you'll pay the difference.
For non-media mail items you set the shipping price, but Yahoo takes their 10% of the shipping fee too. What moron thought up that crazy system?
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zzyzx000
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posted on October 26, 2001 08:40:32 PM new
The link to Yahoo Warehouse doesn't show up (yet?) on Yahoooze home page. If you click on shopping, you can find the link if you have a keen eye. Let's hope they are meerely waiting for listings to increase before they promote the Warehouse. My books are going there for sure. On Bidville I haven't sold a book all year!
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zzyzx000
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posted on October 26, 2001 08:55:03 PM new
Oh...I see the question was for fees for Yahoo Classified: They are free.
The problem is Classifieds are tied to a geographical region. I have no idea why unless they wanted them to fail because they were pushing auctions.
Once the search engine hits the auctions, classifieds and Warehouse in the same search, it may be best to list in classifieds and hope there are enough savy buyers to ignore the geography part.
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kasmoon
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posted on October 26, 2001 09:11:49 PM new
http://warehouse.shopping.yahoo.com/
"Item price +shipping: $0.01 - $50.00 --->Yahoo! commission: 10%
Item price +shipping: $50.01 - $125.00 --->Yahoo! commission: 8%
Item price +shipping: $125.01 - $200.00 --->Yahoo! commission: 7%
Item price +shipping: $200.01 - $500.00 --->Yahoo! commission: 6.5%
Item price +shipping: Over $500.00 --->Yahoo! commission: 5%
Fees for items listed in the Books, Music, Movies, and Video Games categories are calculated as a percentage of only the item's listed selling price.
Fees for items listed in the Computers and Electronics categories are calculated as a percentage of the item's listed selling price plus the seller-defined shipping costs."
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kasmoon
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posted on October 26, 2001 09:22:29 PM new
http://classifieds.yahoo.com/display?ct_hft=browse&nodeid=750008678&action=browse&srid=&intl=&cr=
Hmmm, every category shows 0 listings??
"Basic Listings are free of charge and include a description, photo on ad detail page, title, price, and contact information. Your ad will run for 21 days.
Featured Classifieds - $9.95
Everything included in a Basic Classifieds Listing, PLUS...
Featured Placement - Maximum exposure for your listing!
Your ad will appear above all basic listings, and will rotate throughout the browse pages.
Photos prominently displayed
If your listing has a photo, a thumbnail of your photo will be prominently displayed in the search results.
Bold your title
Enhance your listing by bolding your title.
Add your URL
Add your web address to your listing to bring customers to your website for more details on the product."
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heike55
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posted on October 27, 2001 05:06:26 AM new
Well, I'm listing on half, so I will give this a try, too!!!
heikejohn everywhere else!
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CAgrrl
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:35:03 AM new
This sounds really truly completely EXCITING doesn't it?
What about payment? Is everything through PAydirect, or can you still collect checks and money orders too?
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keziak
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posted on October 27, 2001 09:53:36 AM new
I might wait a bit...would like to see it prominently displayed on the main Yahoo page. The books I saw were mostly new, higher prices.
keziak
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CAgrrl
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posted on October 27, 2001 10:06:32 AM new
I am ready to start listing. Will definitely give this a try. But I am still trying to figure out how we actually get our money! I read that the buyer will have to use a credit card, and that is OK with me. But will yahoo then credit our wallets? or paydirect? does anyone know?
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kasmoon
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posted on October 27, 2001 11:47:11 AM new
Looks like you can't play without handing over your checking acct #
"Sellers will be paid twice monthly by direct deposit into their checking account. All transactions confirmed between the first and the 15th of the month will be paid to the seller on or around the last day of the month. All transactions confirmed between the 15th and the end of the month will be paid on or around the 15th of the following month."
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bidsbids
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posted on October 27, 2001 12:30:00 PM new
Half.com has been twisting arms for months to get sellers to sign up for the e-check bank transfer and maybe Yahoo decided to make that the only tranfer option.
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olhickory
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posted on October 27, 2001 01:01:15 PM new
Listed 17 items on warehouse this morning - just books and cd's I had lying around. Pretty darn cool system! I could easily underprice the current sellers on almost every item I listed. I've never sold on half, but I checked half's prices and it's 15% on items below $50 - plus, they factor the shipping price in on everything (warehouse only does on computers & electronics). 5% less on warehouse is great. I agree with you, Zzyzx, I'd bet yahoo is going to wait for more listings before going after buyers. By the way, nice ID. Do you live near Vegas?
Anybody have tips on finding used books, cds, etc. to resell? I think I'm already hooked on this warehouse thing! 
Olhickory
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bidsbids
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posted on October 27, 2001 11:38:34 PM new
I listed a bunch of books tonite and it seems like Yahoo got few major book sellers to list a few hundred thousand books before they let the regular sellers start. eBay's Half.com did the same thing and started their site with almost two million books. The thing that I noticed about the prices of the listed books was that they were very high in relation to what Half.com is asking. If the majority of these early listed books are indeed from major book sellers then I feel they will have some tough sledding when it comes to selling their books. I'm trying to be realist and put very low prices on my books and offer the Priority Mail option on all except the heavy books. Even my very low prices would be considered high by Half.com standards but they are a fraction of what these major book sellers listed their books.
At least the new Wharehouse will offer buyers a second fixed price arena to find books and music and other items.
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keziak
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posted on October 28, 2001 09:32:59 AM new
From my experience, half.com started out strong possibly due to a lot of promotion. I used to sell briskly. For most of this year, however, sales have been very hard to come by. Usually I double list on half and Amazon and the book sells on Amazon. I wonder if lots of negative experiences have driven people away, or they tired of the novelty. I, myself, haven't bought in ages, nor has my husband.
Amazon seems strong to me because the used book feature piggy-backs on a content-rich site with continued name recognition. Want a book? go to Amazon. I suspect Yahoo will only succeed if/when people think to check there when they want to buy a book, CD, video, or whatever. Any reason they would think that now?
keziak
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Zazzie
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posted on October 28, 2001 01:07:29 PM new
I have Cable Modem and Half.com is SO SO slow for me. When ever I go there and check my wish list it crashes---it is the only site that treats me this way.
ABE books is involved in the beta testing of the Yahoo Warehouse
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robnzak
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posted on October 28, 2001 03:14:42 PM new
Sure am glad ABE Books was part of the beta-test, makes my prices all the more attractive.
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Zazzie
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posted on October 28, 2001 03:24:46 PM new
Did you know that Abe Booksellers get the FULL price that they listed the books at ABE for?? Half.com puts an increase on the original price for their profit.
They also get $3.50 for Media Mail and $5.82 for Priority Mail---even though the buyer hasn't paid that amount....
Which means that other booksellers who are getting charged 15% and getting a lower amount for shipping are subsidizing the ABE booksellers who are signed up for the program via ABE.
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bidsbids
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posted on October 28, 2001 09:02:14 PM new
Rob, Those high abe.com prices do make the average seller look like a saint when their prices comes in way under Abe's. It could have a drawback as book buyers familar with Half's setup see a LOT of high prices and leave the site never to return. I believe that Yahoo is waiting for the small sellers to get their low or moderately priced books listed so that both the total book counts are up and the high priced book numbers are greatly diluted before the advertising of the site begins in earnest.
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Zazzie
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posted on October 28, 2001 09:29:14 PM new
If you look at the REAL prices for the Abe books at the ABE site---they are mostly reasonably priced. Half and Yahoo just jack them up to silly amounts--just like Alibris and barnes & noble does.
ABE needs to rethink these programs.
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bidsbids
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posted on October 28, 2001 09:43:39 PM new
With both Half and Yahoo Wharehouse running now why do the sellers in the abe network even listing through them at all? I can see abe going bellyup.
There is a major book seller ( almost 300,000 books ) on Bidville that got a sweetheart deal from the CEO and is even allowed to break the BV TOS. This types of deals only cause disharmony in the auction sites so the auction sites can get their auction listing numbers higher. A bad decision if you ask me.
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eSeller004
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posted on October 29, 2001 06:54:32 AM new
Remember when AuctionWatch sellers were worried how they would be able to compete with ABE sellers when ABE joined Half.com? After a few months it's become apparent the question should have been turned on its head, and should have been restated, how the heck are ABE sellers going to be able to compete against rock-bottom prices offered by typical Half.com sellers? 
It seems the only way ABE can compete is if there is no competition on a Half.com listing page.
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Zazzie
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posted on October 29, 2001 10:56:45 AM new
there is only 348,000 books listed on Bidville---are you saying that 300,000 belong to one seller ???
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kasmoon
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posted on October 29, 2001 11:10:18 AM new
Actually the 348,000 total you're looking at is the combined category of books, comics and movies.
The books storefront with 299,164 ads is 1 seller. No one else is allowed to list in that category. The sites regular users book ads only amount to 27,255.
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bidsbids
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posted on October 29, 2001 11:26:05 AM new
And of course the new book storefront and its new structure were all added without any mention or announcement about a month ago. There has been some grumbling by the citizens of BV over the TOS violations but it was nothing that BV couldn't easily ignore as that is their pattern of past behavior.
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zzyzx000
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posted on October 29, 2001 01:52:47 PM new
I have had 500 books on Bidvills since about February, all priced about 1/2 Amazon and below ABE. Here are my results to the best of my recollection: Sales so far: ZERO. Hits: ZERO.
Really, I don't look at all the ads but I have looked at a few dozen and I've never seen the hit counter say anything but triple Zero.
So all the stuff that the yahoo Warehouse will take (about 90% of my books are in their data base) will be moved there soon, because it can't be worse than Bidville. However, looking at Half.com's prices, as a buyer I wouldn't buy from me. Those folks are giving it away.
An interesting aside is that once Yahoo gets the search engine unified between classifieds, Warehouse and auctions, they will have beat epay at what they will do soon...unify Half.com with their auctions. Maybe Yahoo will redo classifieds to drop the regional aspect. I would like to see Classifieds be like the warehouse without the UPC codes and ISBN #'s....a fixed price store for anything legal. They already have a crude bulk loader for classifieds.
I wonder how the ABE dealers got all their books listed so fast. If there is a bulk loader for that, i could use it. I've already done several hundred books one at a time.
I've been out of town, so to list the books I've been using the Warehouse ISBN search to list my books. I wonder where they bought this database? It's pretty large but pretty crude. Some titles have links and some you have to copy/paste the ISBN from. And for many recent novels, there may be listings for 5 or more items...the paperback, the Young reader's edition, the cassette tape, the large print....but often there is no listing at all for the original hardcover....which is the only thing collectable....go figure.
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Zazzie
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posted on October 29, 2001 03:02:17 PM new
ABE is involved in the Beta testing of Yahoo Warehouse. Any dealer signed up with their Half.com program could sign up for the beta test Yahoo program.
ABE does the uploading ---the sellers just click 'YES--I want to join the program' button
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zzyzx000
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posted on October 30, 2001 07:16:41 AM new
Correction...I did sell a book on Bidville.
Anyways, anybody tried browsing the books on Yahoo Warehouse?
Since their universe is now the ISBN #'s in their database, they have been forced to use a realistic tree structure which must have been included in the data base. Maybe they will also use that for Auctions, but who cares? Any book rare enough to now be suitable for auctions rather than warehouse could be put in one category seems to me.
I think eBay has got some real competition coming from Yahoo soon.
On the downside of browsing for books, there is one crummy thing about it:
When you finally get the the sub category you want, you get a huge list of the whole database, whether there are any actual books offered or not. You don't know if anybody actually has one listed until you click on the title. Yahoo should keep this list internal and only display what they have to offer.
[ edited by zzyzx000 on Oct 30, 2001 07:18 AM ]
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johnnybravo55
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posted on October 30, 2001 08:02:22 AM new
When you're listing books for the Wharehouse and you encounter an invalid or missing ISBN number you can go the the Wharehouse home page and search for the book by title. This search finds all books and their ISBN numbers and you can copy and paste the ISBN # into the listing box or use the "Sell Yours" link. I find this very helpful for books like Book Club Editions or National Gepgraphics books that often have an ISBN number.
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