posted on August 17, 2004 07:39:03 AM new
Yes, Dr.D - logansdad and yeager have a continuing need to discuss gay rights...the homosexual lifestyle...and appear to me to think they're going to change someones mind on how they feel about gay marriage. I don't see that happening....but hey...what do I know.
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On logansdad's statement:
Please do not tell me you are like Colin who makes assumptions about what goes on without actually seeing a parade in its entirety.
One does not need to see a gay parade *in its entirety* to disapprove of the sexually explicit actions taking place at these parades. The news coverage [TV] of these parades clearly show their sexual exhibitionism to all. They're outrageous and have no place being exhibited in a public street. It promotes further decay of our morality. And I'd feel the same way if straights were doing the same thing in the public streets.
And as I've said before.....these actions, imo, hurt the gay 'cause' more than they help it. People who oppose the gay lifestyle use these actions to show how perverted those in the gay community really are. It's how millions of viewers form an opinion about gays...transvestites, etc. And it's not a pretty picture. Not an image I would think most gays would want others to judge their behaviors by.
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yellowstone - On the school issue and being taught that gay behavior is 'normal'.....it's already begun in our public schools and why a lot of people are, if at all possible, putting their children in private schools or homeschooling them.
posted on August 17, 2004 07:56:20 AM new
DrDolittle,
Maybe in a while someone will come along who is interested in a topic other than homosexuality.
It's easy to say, start your own topic in which you are interested -- but what for? ...To chat with yourself?
Twelve is suffering under the delusion that he has a significant anti-gay readership "out there". At least we can find some humor in that idea.
Linda,
Yeager, like others, has addressed the bigoted anti-gay comments here. But he has started a variety of topics. Don't blame your boy twelvepole's extraordinary interest in homosexual topics on those who have simply made a good effort to respond.
posted on August 17, 2004 09:12:34 AM new
Linda: One does not need to see a gay parade *in its entirety* to disapprove of the sexually explicit actions taking place at these parades. The news coverage [TV] of these parades clearly show their sexual exhibitionism to all. They're outrageous and have no place being exhibited in a public street. It promotes further decay of our morality. And I'd feel the same way if straights were doing the same thing in the public streets.
I think I will add you to that list as well. I am not going to deny the fact that there may be a small hand-full of people wearing skimpy clothing or there are a few "outrageous groups" in the parade. This is what usually gets on the TV. While this is not representative of the entire gay community they are in fact a part of it and have every right to be a part of the parade. This year was the first year a local TV station aired a rebroadcast of the parade here in Chicago, so what does that tell you. You want to judge your opinions on the entire gay community based on a two minute clip on a news broadcast, instead of seeing what really goes on.
If you find parades to be so outrageous then why don't you start writing your politicians to have a constitutional amendment having them outlawed. I bet many politicians would disagree since you can also find them participating in these parades.
Yes, Dr.D - logansdad and yeager have a continuing need to discuss gay rights...the homosexual lifestyle...and appear to me to think they're going to change someones mind on how they feel about gay marriage.
I will continue to present the other side of the issue as long as there are people on this board presenting their side - usually filled with preconceived notions and opinions without any proof to back it up. (I have already pointed out three that have made statements of this sort.) I am not set out to change anyone views, but I am not going to sit by and let only one side be heard. I am going to present the other side of the issue. Hopefully people can form their own opinion based on hearing both sides of the story or from actually view an event. Besides Linda this topic is in the news and is relevant to a lot of voters.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
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posted on August 17, 2004 09:27:58 AM new
Linda
re your last post on Logansdad statement.
In a nutshell that is exactly what I am saying I just wanted to say it in the expanded view to show all who may read here what it is all really about.
You may have noticed that when discussing these sorts of issues that I don't use words like "gay" and "lesbian" instead I call them what they really are which is homosexuals. Furthermore, I don't use words like "man" or "woman" in conjunction with the word homosexual. The reason for this is that there is no such thing as a homosexual man or a homosexual woman. that is NOT a man and that is NOT a woman. They are gender male and gender female.
The homosexuals have bastardized the word "gay" to mean something else like they have also bastardized a symbol that has been around for hundreds of years to use as their symbol to express some sort of pride with, the rainbow.
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posted on August 17, 2004 11:01:28 AM newThe homosexuals have bastardized the word "gay" to mean something else like they have also bastardized a symbol that has been around for hundreds of years to use as their symbol to express some sort of pride with, the rainbow.
Just like those damn hetrosexuals to use the heart as a symbol of love and turn it into holiday for financial reasons.
Just like those damn Christians to use the tree and Santa Claus to represent Christmas and all the greed it stands for.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on August 17, 2004 11:07:51 AM new
Oh now helen....don't go getting on your high horse. Most who read here know exactly who starts more threads about homosexuality than others do. Yeager and logansdad almost always start the homosexual topics. But I will agree....logansdad pushes his personal agenda more than yeager does. Yeager just usually agrees with logansdad's statements...and supports him more than others.
With the exception of this statement from yeager: "I do agree with you that such displays are not needed to have any type of parade. I have never been to one, and would never go to one if that was going to be displayed. Even I have standards!
But the topic article didn't mention gay marriage....in his second post logansdad brought that up again.
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OH GOODIE....I'm going to be on logansdad's list. Yeah!! Yeah!! Kind of the opposite of Colin's list huh?
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We won't be having a 'gay parade' in my town, logansdad, I live in the Bible belt. They don't support people walking around almost naked and trying to shock others with their public displays of sexual affection towards one another in public. ----------------------
yellowstone - I understand perfectly what you're saying.
Imo, our public schools are used primarily to push the 'lefts' agendas...and we are all expect to join in and agree - and if we hold different moral values we then are called names..ie: homophobic..bigots....but they sure fight having both sides presented to our young, impressionable children. It's truly becoming a disgrace, imo.
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And...ON TOPIC....I just read on the Drudge Report today that the governor's lover, Cipel, has returned to Israel.
posted on August 17, 2004 11:12:56 AM new
logansdad - Try and control yourself. Calling people 'those damn Christians'....isn't going to solve your problem. There are many who aren't Christians who oppose gay marriage...and many who aren't Christians who oppose same sex relations.
Your focus only on Christians is greatly misguided. And as with all issues in life....we don't all hold the same positions...nor have the save value/moral beliefs.
posted on August 17, 2004 11:42:58 AM newWe won't be having a 'gay parade' in my town, logansdad, I live in the Bible belt. They don't support people walking around almost naked and trying to shock others with their public displays of sexual affection towards one another in public.
No but the South celebrates Mardi Gras every year which is no different than a "gay parade". If I remember it is a week long festival where men and women drink all week so the women can show their hooters and get beads.
Is this the Bible Belt that does not have almost naked events where they try to shock other with their public displays of drunkeness and nudity?
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on August 17, 2004 12:58:43 PM new
Well..not exactly..
Mardi Gras is a week long, and people attending the parades in the Quarter along Bourbon Street drink and carry on true..but they have cracked down on public displays of nudity.. Almost all offenders are young people from out of State.. who think it is perfectly acceptable to do down here, but would never think of doing back home.
Oh and by the way it isn't just the girls bearing their breasts, but the men have been exposing themselves as well..but it is against the law and like I said they are cracking down on it all..
Another thing is that it unusual for families with children to attend the Parades in the Quarters.. many of the different Parishes hold their own Mardi Gras parades, geared for family viewing. Drdo
posted on August 17, 2004 01:46:04 PM new
Oh dear and I was in the Mardi Gras Rex Parade. It has only been in the last maybe 5 years where young people have come and made fools of them selves. I was in the parade when gays were not allowed on the streets only during Mardi Gras and then they dressed in their finery of womens sequin dresses and sat on top the movie marquis.
Most all gay threads are started by Logansdad and I did make a comment on how many there were but of course they still continue. If by now logansdad knows what some people think and write but I think he wants the attention. Of course this is my view. He also knows how everyone thinks in here and it ain't going to change.
Step in anytime Dr.Doo if you have anything to add it might be something new but I don't think there is anything anyone can add that hasn't been said.
posted on August 17, 2004 01:54:51 PM new
Oh logansdad - You crack me up sometimes.
You said....If you find parades to be so outrageous then why don't you start writing your politicians to have a constitutional amendment having them outlawed..... when I mentioned I live in thee Bible Belt.
There is no need for me to write them...that type of parade is NOT an issue here...so writing them would be a waste of time.
If all these threads about homosexuality bother or offend you Linda, then you don't have to post in any of them. Really? Don't believe I've ever stated that. But you dems are great with putting words in peoples mouths that they haven't said. I just pointed out the obvious to helen.....didn't mean to get YOUR panties all bunched up.
posted on August 17, 2004 02:22:49 PM newOh and by the way it isn't just the girls bearing their breasts, but the men have been exposing themselves as well..but it is against the law and like I said they are cracking down on it all..
See now none of that goes on in gay parades. The clothing may be a tad small, but guys do not go around exposing themselves.
Really? Don't believe I've ever stated that. But you dems are great with putting words in peoples mouths that they haven't said.
Just like you Linda assuming the governor gave a STD or AIDS to his wife simply because he was gay.
You said....If you find parades to be so outrageous then why don't you start writing your politicians to have a constitutional amendment having them outlawed..... when I mentioned I live in thee Bible Belt.
If you look I made that comment before you mentioned you lived in the Bible Belt.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on August 17, 2004 02:39:50 PM new
logansdad - I assumed nothing. You're once again twisting what I said.
I said he put his wives at risk by having sex with other men. And he did...since that is the #1 way of transmitting hiv/aids. Deny it all you wish....it's a fact...not an opinion.
They both should have been given the chance to decide, for themselves, whether they wanted to continue sleeping with him...knowing the circumstances. He did not give them that choice to make...he, by his own deception, made it for them.
posted on August 17, 2004 03:01:00 PM new
> TOP 10 McGreevy jokes...
> 10 nj state bird swallow
> 9 nj tpke renamed hershey highway
> 8 nj raises terror alert level to lavender
> 7 we know he didn't like bush, but this is ridiculous
> 6 now we know why mcgreevey enjoyed "polling" so much
> 5 what does mcgreevey and the Israeli navy have in common?
> Jewish seaman.
> 4 nj dmv to now call rear end accidents, a mcgreevey
> 3 gives new meaning to stuffing the ballot box
> 2 Post headline...McGreevy goes down
> 1 shouldn't take mcgreevey long to get out of the governors
> mansion, he's already got his schitt packed!
posted on August 17, 2004 03:34:14 PM new
For the record, I back much of what logan says. The reason is that I can't stand by and watch a segment of the population being treated as second class citizens.
I have also started threads with the following topics.
The Women's Infant's and Children's Food Program
Don't get in a car with George or Laura Bush
Study: Tax Burden Shifts to Middle Class
Sorry, I just couldn't resist this one! Too Funny
The Separation of State and Church Test. Take It
Great News in the Michigan Legal Picture!!
Bush reminded me of Santa Claus
The pictures the world saw.
Why this traditional republican is voting Kerry!
Bush visits Michigan again!!!
You have got to read this.
Psychologists Group Backs Gay Marriage
What is a feminazis?
Choir Chief Fired for Backing Gay Marriage
What is a "Sip In"?
What is next from the thumpers??
What is a misogynists?
"Reverend" Fred Phelps, what a nut case
How was Christianity introduced to the world?
Republicans on attack towards Democratic Women
Let's talk about Hell. It's a real place!
Modern Living through the Bible???
Are they really Activist Judges???
Let's talk about religion!
Criminals have MORE rights than gays in the US!!
How much time should Bush and Cheney get?
So, as Helen has indicated, I have posted on a number of different topics. However, at this time, the civil rights of Gay Americans is most important to me.
Yes, Drdolitte there are many threads that are on the subject matter of gay rights at this time. The biggest proponent is logan, and the biggest opponent is twelve. I think it may have something to do with the fact it's seems to be in the news almost daily.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we! They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” ~ George W. Bush, 8/5/04
posted on August 17, 2004 03:51:52 PM new
Logan has referred to several major cities having a gay district. Even though these area are unofficial, they still are gay districts. After all, there is no official black district. There are areas that are mainly populated by blacks. There is no official districts. In real estate law, prompting a certain group to move into a certain area is called "steering". It is also against the law.
I don't know of any "official" gay areas in the city of Detroit, but just north of Detroit is Ferndale, Michigan. Located on the northern border of 8 Mile Road, twenty years ago Ferndale was a dying city. It had a blighted downtown and run down residential districts. It's not that way today. The reason is that gay men and women starting buying in Ferndale and making it their home. The downtown is now vibrant and flourishing, and the residential areas are now decent looking with improving property values. Ferndale is only about 4 square miles, and north of that is Royal Oak. The same thing there. Thriving downtown and nice homes. Big gay town too.
Most of the gay pride parades in this area are held in Ferndale and Royal Oak.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we! They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” ~ George W. Bush, 8/5/04
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posted on August 17, 2004 04:20:23 PM new
The law may state that "steering" is unlawful... but if you don't believe there are distinct black and white communities with a clear line separating the two.. you have never lived in the deep South.. because any 9 year old child can tell you which area is all black and which is all white..
We may like to tell ourselves that Segregation is a thing of the past.. we have come a long way, but unfortunately it lives on.. Drdo
posted on August 17, 2004 06:21:08 PM new
To yellow and Linda:
Here is a little comment about the opening ceremonies at the Olympic games:
My favorite participant in the Olympics so far is the lithe, raven-haired fertility goddess from the Opening Ceremony. She was like something out of Cirque du Pole Dance. Clutching a snake in each hand and sporting pale makeup, she was clad in a maroon-and-gold getup, completely open at the waist and curving around her exposed, pert, naked breasts -- or was that some kind of prosthetic illusion? Either way, she looked like a Romanian gymnast having a wardrobe malfunction.
The opening ceremony also featured rows of men portraying ancient Greek statues -- and if you know anything about those lusty Greeks and their statues, you know they never could keep their clothes on, unlike good old American statues. (You ever see a nude statue of Abe Lincoln? I rest my case.) These men were mostly naked, save for some sort of man-panty that included very realistic-looking penises and testicles. It was more indecent than the works of Michelangelo.
Dozens of these Genitalia Men paraded about, flaunting their buttocks and loins. It was just the kind of thing that infuriates and exasperates the far right.
Funny how nobody on the religious right or the family orientated conservatives here were complaining about the nudity at the Olympic games but are quick to condem the skimpy clothing that is worn at the gay pride parade which they do not even attend.
I hope there were not many children watching the opening ceremonies.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
[ edited by logansdad on Aug 17, 2004 06:21 PM ]
posted on August 17, 2004 06:33:37 PM new
logansdad - I assumed nothing. You're once again twisting what I said.
I said he put his wives at risk by having sex with other men.
Linda this is what you said:
Yes, it was my intent to point out that he had deceived TWO wives. Put two wives at risk of a deadly disease
Yes you did assume something. You assumed he had sex with men while he was still with his first wife. - put two wives at risk of a deadly disease. Do you know this for a fact? You only own know he cheated on his second wife not his first and then you are guessing what he did or did not do with that other man. If you have pictures of what went on I am sure the Enquirer would pay you large sums of money for those pictures. Since you are so certain he cheated on his first wife why don't you come forth with all the information you know.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on August 17, 2004 06:42:18 PM new
Linda: depend on the teaching of, belief in their faith/religion to be the biggest reward these idiot recruits will receive
I guess that is what drives all you people in the Bible Belt?? Your belief in your faith will be the biggest reward and all other who do not follow in your faith will suffer in damnation.
Thanks for sharing that with everyone Linda.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on August 17, 2004 07:09:14 PM new
wow doolittle and it is different how in the North?
Well.. I don't know Twelve if it is any different up North. I was replying to Yeager's comment on "Steering being against the law". But still practiced.
I am sure Racism is still rampant all over our Country.. some places worse than others.
Linda wrote.. WHAT??
Libra....Oh dear and I was in the Mardi Gras Rex Parade.
Linda..You weren't flashing your 'hooters' were you?
LMAO..
Libra, that was quite an honor, did you attend the ball? Who was King Rex that year?
drdo
posted on August 17, 2004 07:31:47 PM new
Drdoolittle,
Please don't say that Linda would stoop so low to flash her "hooters" at Mardi Gras. She has much more class than that. Any self respecting bible thumping republican would never do it there. They would do it on The Jerry Springer Show. Linda, Linda, Linda!
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on August 17, 2004 08:59:10 PM new
Yeager..NO.. NO.. it wasn't Linda's hooters it was Libra's.. but it wasn't really hers either. LOL If a blonde really does have more fun.. does she know it???
posted on August 17, 2004 09:23:09 PM new
Well doc now you will know my age. It was 1954 and who was Rex I do not know, but I do have an unused invitation to the Rex ball made out to my mother, and I still have the beads thrown from the float. A really great string of pearls with a sterling silver clasp. Should go good on eBay The parade we were watching was Comus.
Quite a difference from what they throw now a days. It was when there was segregation and of course being from the north it was a little difficult.
posted on August 18, 2004 04:26:21 AM new
logansdad - If you wish to read about the *first* Mrs. McGreevey you can do a search and read about her and their relationship yourself. Just type in 'McGreevey's first wife'....or 'McGreevey's ex-wife'. Your might also want to read what his MIL has said...her last name was Schultz.
As for the Olympics....I haven't been watching them. But surely you're not suggesting that at the opening ceremonies they were *acting/behaving* anything like those in the gay parades do.
If you are....I don't believe it for one moment.
And logansdad - That I'm aware, of there are no Christians that have become suicide bombers - blowing themselves and others up - murdering people - to get to their 'final reward'. Maybe you could fill me in.
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On the hooters - I was teasing Libra..it was meant to be funny... because I believe - from what I know about her here - that she would not do something like that....it was a joke...to hopefully make her laugh.
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