posted on August 18, 2004 06:39:01 AM
yellow: Hmmmmmmm, your user id suggests that you are the father of some kid named Logan
If that is how you interpret my user id then so be it.
Yes I could have a son named Logan. I could have been married at one time. My partner and I could have also adopted as well.
Your screen name suggests you are a national park or that you are a rock that is painted yellow.......
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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posted on August 18, 2004 06:46:17 AMAs for the Olympics....I haven't been watching them. But surely you're not suggesting that at the opening ceremonies they were *acting/behaving* anything like those in the gay parades do. If you are....I don't believe it for one moment.
It is the same type of "nudity". If you find one offensive you must find the other...oh but wait, you would consider the nudity in the Olympics to be art.
And logansdad - That I'm aware, of there are no Christians that have become suicide bombers - blowing themselves and others up - murdering people - to get to their 'final reward'. Maybe you could fill me in.
Who said they had to be suicide bombers. They could be serial killers, gunmen, figthers or any other type of extremist that has belief in their faith. Their final reward can be heaven. I guess that is what the Bible Belt is all about...having extreme faith in their believe in order to get their "reward".
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on August 18, 2004 06:54:33 AMlogansdad - If you wish to read about the *first* Mrs. McGreevey you can do a search and read about her and their relationship yourself. Just type in 'McGreevey's first wife'....or 'McGreevey's ex-wife'. Your might also want to read what his MIL has said...her last name was Schultz.
Schutz would not discuss McGreevey's public revelation that he is gay. Though she did say, "That had nothing to do with the divorce. I was not well suited to public life. It was very wearing, very intense. That's the reason (for the divorce)."
So how does the above statement anything about the governor cheating on his first wife?
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on August 24, 2004 10:51:50 AM
Some insight for twelve....
Save your pity for the McGreevey family
When will America stop making gays hide in plain sight?
Leonard Pitts, Tribune Media Services. Leonard Pitts is a syndicated columnist based in Washington
Published August 24, 2004
James McGreevey is not a hero. That's the first thing we need to get straight.
To the contrary, press reports on the embattled New Jersey governor detail an administration so steeped in corruption that one feels a distinct need to wash one's hands after reading them.
We're talking allegations and indictments on a range of extortion, blackmail and conflict-of-interest charges involving the Democratic governor's supporters and members of his administration. And then, of course, there's the story that made national headlines earlier this month: McGreevey's resignation and his admission that he had an affair with another man. The governor is married and has two daughters.
He was coming forward, he said, because his alleged male ex-lover was attempting to extort money in exchange for silence. The man in question was widely speculated to be a former aide, Golan Cipel. Cipel, who says he is not gay, has denied the affair and the extortion allegation. He says he was the victim, repeatedly subjected to McGreevey's unwanted sexual advances.
Whichever version of the tale you choose to buy, it's clear the governor can be no one's idea of a role model.
But one need not want to pin a medal on McGreevey to feel empathy for the circumstance that has brought him to this difficult pass. "I am a gay American," he announced at his press conference. Apparently, this was something he had never said before. Apparently, he considered his sexual orientation something he dared not accept, much less voice out loud.
"I began to question what an acceptable reality really meant for me," he told reporters. "Were there realities from which I was running?"
And you wonder if the lesson of all this is lost on the people who need it most, the ones who become apoplectic when gay people leave the closet and declare themselves human beings deserving of human rights. Such people fail to realize that gays have only two other options, neither of them particularly attractive.
One, they cease to be homosexual. The problem with that is, homosexuality is not a disease. Therefore, it cannot be "cured." And yeah, I know that statement will not sit well with those religious fundamentalists who believe the opposite. I would only remind them of Gary Cooper and Michael Busse, who in 1976 founded an organization called Exodus. Its stated mission was to grant "freedom from homosexuality" through the power of Christ.
Exodus is still around, but Cooper and Busse are no longer affiliated with it. The two men left the group after they fell in love with each other.
Which brings us to the second option. If one can't cease to be gay or lesbian, deny being gay or lesbian. Lie about it.
James McGreevey ought to be sufficient proof that this is a lousy idea of epic proportions. I mean, if you don't feel sorry for him, feel sorry for his wife and daughters, for a family shattered because of a reality he could not bring himself to accept.
Is anyone out there so foolish as to think it's better this way? That we should prefer this result to the one that would have come had McGreevey simply chosen early in life to be what he was?
With apologies to Jack Nicholson, it boils down to truth and our ability or lack thereof to handle it. And the truth here is simple: There are gay people. There have always been gay people. There will always be gay people.
The only question, then, is if we will come to terms with that. Or will we require gay people to live lies instead, our children, our spouses, our friends and co-workers, our sports heroes and yes, our political leaders, gay Americans hiding in plain sight.
Anyone who thinks that's a good idea is missing the lesson McGreevey himself missed for so long.
Reality is reality, whether you accept it or not.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on September 16, 2004 09:31:00 PM
logansdad - Try reading the link you provided for me - on the 'teresa gives gifts from campaign contribution money. About three posts down. Looks like there's another person that ALSO read differently.
And I'm sure he and his first wife are on good terms...it's in the best interest of their child and keeps those support payments coming in regularly too. lol Maybe that's why his second wife is staying with him too. Why else would a normal woman want to stay married to a man who didn't say he was bi-sexual...but rather proudly claimed he was gay.
posted on September 16, 2004 09:44:34 PM
Also taken from the same site you provided for me logansdad.
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Robert Gawroniak, a former Woodbridge councilman who had a falling out with McGreevey, said McGreevey used Kari and Morag to present an image.
McGreevey's "association with young men was always prevalent, but it was never done improperly," Gawroniak said. "The rumors were always there. But when you marry and have a child and bring the wife and child into the council room when we have a meeting so they can be on camera for the local television, they were shrewd, very shrewd."
posted on September 16, 2004 09:51:12 PM
From the Village Voice
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But—someone's gotta say this—Dina's no dummy and he's no genius of discretion. She had to have known! Everyone else, from reporters to Web posters, had buzzed about the supposed liaison for years, so how could she not have gotten the memo? Despite the anonymous source running around claiming that Arianna, I mean Dina, was homo-clueless, I bet the McGreeveys have a de-lovely, we-know-what-it's-about situation and enjoy sharing a home base, even more so when power is tasted. Did you see wifey's face at the press conference? This was no Mrs. Kobe Bryant–type squirmer. The woman almost looked proud! She practically seemed at peace with his having gotten a piece! Maybe this is the marriage of the future—one completely open in its duplicity.
Lord knows McGreevey's first wife, Kari Schutz, seems to know the score. Last week, The New York Times asked Schutz if she knew before their divorce that McGreevey was gay, and she tellingly replied, "I'll leave it at that." But funny, the next day, when the New York Post and the Daily News trotted out the very same question, she shrieked, "I didn't know!"
Clearly, Schutz had been visited by the same checkbook-wielding angel who contacted Kevin Federline's suddenly ecstatic dumped girlfriend.
posted on September 17, 2004 06:28:12 AMMcGreevey's "association with young men was always prevalent, but it was never done improperly," Gawroniak said. "The rumors were always there.
That's what they were - rumors - until proven otherwise.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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posted on September 17, 2004 06:29:55 AMLord knows McGreevey's first wife, Kari Schutz, seems to know the score. Last week, The New York Times asked Schutz if she knew before their divorce that McGreevey was gay, and she tellingly replied, "I'll leave it at that." But funny, the next day, when the New York Post and the Daily News trotted out the very same question, she shrieked, "I didn't know!"
You still can not provide a link to your source. What ever the case if his ex-wife says different things tehn she can not be credible.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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