posted on September 27, 2004 06:12:25 PM
linda says,"My post of 'Good News' was because rusty said if there's good news post it. So I did. Then all you kerry supporters again only discount anything good that is being reported from those there and our soldiers there. Like you just can't stand anything that's not negative to be reported.
It's like the dems want us to fail in Iraq....so they win this election. What a shame they can't support our troops like they always claim they do. LOL...that's a laugh.
Ok, excuse # 8 from linda when she's proven wrong:
"It's rusty's fault"
TwWWisted logic.....show linda the truth in Iraq and the dipship concludes it's because Democrats want failure ????
Then there's her weasly ,"Yes, I believe Powell....things are currently getting worse in SOME AREAS "
Yup, the world could explode and the last thing you'd hear is linda's "I'm right , I'm right ...and they're lying AAAAAAAAAaGGHHHHHG!
posted on September 27, 2004 07:13:36 PM
Oh good - The proven liar crowfarm continues with her sick harassment. Running from thread to thread reposting her copying and pasting.....seeking the attention she's so desperate for. How sad.
As for the success of Kerry's anti-democracy protests and his leadership of the VVAW and association with Fonda's Winter Soldier Investigation, General Vo Nguyen Giap, Vietnam's most decorated military leader, wrote in retrospect that if not for the disunity created by such stateside protesters, Hanoi would have ultimately surrendered.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, which states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington
posted on September 27, 2004 07:29:33 PM
This is my opinion only.
While I'm sure that there are some good things going on in Iraq as far as rebuilding goes the bad news far outweighs the good .
Till better control takes place and funds are released there will be no large scale rebuilding going on.
This is why there are next to no pictures anywhere. Logic would dictate that if rebuilding was moving along at an accelerated rate pictures would be coming out like crazy.
After all that would be politically viable as it would shut up all the whiners but at this time thats not whats happening.
posted on September 27, 2004 07:37:37 PM
trai - Imo the reason it looks so much worse is because that's all the left leaning media concentrate on. You rarely hear the alphabet media stations saying anything good about what is going on.
And like I said above...this was expected by our military as their elections grow closer. And if you're reading the news on a day-to-day basis...you'll see our military is taking firmer action on the areas that are 'acting out' now. One hot spot gets dealt with...another hot spot arises.
But the left is always complaining there is NO good news coming out of Iraq...and that's just not true.
What bothers me more than anything is this is just like it was in VN...the left encouraging our ememies to fight our troops harder....and kerry....giving them more and more motive to act out more against our troops...by his traitorous comment about the wrong war at the wrong time etc. Who in the heck is that helping while our soldiers are fighting for their lives? THE TERRORISTS.
Great president he'd make....he's doing an exact repeat of what he did during VN....only this time HE VOTED to send our troops over there and now is making it harder on them.
posted on September 27, 2004 07:49:26 PM
I concern myself more with how this will play out in the long run. As I said before that there is plenty of blame to go around right past Reagan.
This is not a new problem at all as its been around for a long time.
No matter who winds up in the White House is going to have their hands full for years to come.
For me the big problem comes down to a lack of control over the cities and borders with Iran and Syria as thats where most of the bad guys are coming through.
Till that is done we will be facing more and more insurgents and rebuilding will be at a snails pace.
posted on September 27, 2004 08:00:33 PM
President Bush said this wasn't going to be easy nor was it going to be over quickly....the war on terrorism. He stated a long time ago it might take 10 years or so. Just as it did after WWII.
And as far as pictures go...many can be found on the contractors sites that are doing the *different* rebuilding work. Like if you check on the electrical companies that are working there...they have pictures. But most wouldn't be the type that would make an interesting article for the news. Also I see small amounts of quick clips on Fox News when they report on what's happening there. You can see some in the back ground.
But I think it's very important who gets elected to handle our war on terrorists...one willing to fight them...or one who wants to run. They're not going away and those who think withdrawing from Iraq is the way to go are only going to see the them coming more at us on our homeland.
And the allies kerry keeps saying he'll get help from, like Germany and France, had already said...no matter who's elected...they're NOT providing troops.
We can't show them weakness...we must show them strength and power....they don't understand anything else. And kerry would never be able to do that - he has no backbone and has changed his position so many times - voters are very much noticing.
posted on September 27, 2004 08:23:26 PM
Its too late to worry about leaving Iraq at this stage. For better or worse it has to play out to the end, there is no other choice now as the fats in the fire.
Fight them or run?? There is no option for any president to "run". I just can not see Kerry taking that route. He has stated that he would run them down no matter where they go.
This man is no coward even if you do not agree with his stance.
I do agree that this fight will be ongoing for many many years.
posted on September 27, 2004 08:30:05 PM
trai - That's exactly what I've been saying about kerry....he keeps changing his position on what he'd do. I, too, read where he said that....but his latest statements have been he'll have our soldiers out of Iraq in his first term of office. Then he said within six months of getting elected. Now he's running on his anti-war dove platform again. Listen or read his MOST recent quotes....now that the clinton advisors have joined his group...he's sounding more and more like H. dean was when he was running against kerry.
What kerry's been doing hasn't been working and his advisors know that...that's why he's again changing his mind.
He's not planning on our troops staying there.
He can't be trusted when he keeps changing what he'll do and when.
posted on September 27, 2004 08:36:27 PM
trai - Please read this See-BS article. You have to admit they've been doing all they can to support kerry's election...dan rather[biased] and all.
posted on September 27, 2004 08:50:07 PMHe's not planning on our troops staying there.
They can only stay so long or otherwise it becomes a huge problem. It would look like an occupation instead of a "liberation force.
This is not only a shooting war but more importantly it is a public relations exercise.
One always has to take into account the countries around Iraq. No point in making them nervous at this time.
This is why we need to get other countries involved in this as its in everyones best interest.
In other words we can not tell everyone else to shove it and then ask for help as long as its on our terms only.
The french just like the U.S. is looking after its own interests just like our friend Russia is doing the same.
Germany will not send combat troops as it is against their laws. They will do defense but not offense.
You need to understand the history here. It would not take long before someone starts to bring up the past and throw that in their faces.
Never ends so that why they are afraid to do anything no matter what.
The Bush administration wanted to maintain a military base in Iraq....be centralized in the ME should we need to have troops readily available. If re-elected I can see that happening.
One always has to take into account the countries around Iraq. No point in making them nervous at this time.
Some have gotten nervous and 'come around to our way of thinking'....fessed up and gave up their own womd. Syria is worried too....that's good. Keeps them in line. I don't see our being there as a negative, but rather a positive to peace in that part of the world.
This is why we need to get other countries involved in this as its in everyones best interest.
Sure...we THINK that. But who do you have in mind? Russia and Japan and approx 45 other countries are helping in one way or another. Germany and France have BOTH said 'no way'. Who's left? Canada has not forces to send....nor does Mexico. Just who do YOU see coming together with us?
In other words we can not tell everyone else to shove it and then ask for help as long as its on our terms only.
We didn't tell everyone to 'shove it'. We asked for their help and they refused to help. Remember the coaliation of the willing....they weren't willing. Not our fault...although I know that's what the dem try to make it look like. We could not base our safety on what other countries would or wouldn't do. I don't like kerry's platform that we can't move to protect our country unless we get UN approval. We should NEVER be in that position. We didn't fight for our independence to bow to the UNs decision making.
The french just like the U.S. is looking after its own interests just like our friend Russia is doing the same. Yea....you been reading about the Oil-For-Food Program...and how those supposed allies that DIDN'T join us in Iraq were all benefitting from their own relationship with saddam? But according to the lefties we're to blame. I don't think so.
Germany will not send combat troops as it is against their laws. They will do defense but not offense. Same with Japan. But they could each help in their own ways.
But look what the terrorists did to many of our current allies....been threatening each one of them with violence IF they continue to support our efforts against terrorism and in Iraq. kerry's own sister is in Australia now trying to convince them they shouldn't be supporting our country...or they'll be attacked if they continue helping us.
What kind of people are kerry and his sister who side with our enemies and BLAST our current allies? Not a man I want to see running this country. He'd sell us out in a NY minute.
You need to understand the history here. It would not take long before someone starts to bring up the past and throw that in their faces.
Never ends so that why they are afraid to do anything no matter what.
I'm not clear on what you're saying above.
[ edited by Linda_K on Sep 27, 2004 09:14 PM ]
2004: OOPS. MISSION NOT ACCOMPLISHED! Now you call the Iraq invasion a "catastrophic success." That's what you called it this month. Over a thousand U.S. soldiers have died, Iraq is in a state of total chaos where no one is safe, and you have no clue how to get us out of there.
Mr. Bush, please tell us -- when will you change your mind again?
I know you hate the words "flip" and "flop," so I won't use them both on you. In fact, I'll use just one: Flop. That is what you are. A huge, colossal flop. The war is a flop, your advisors and the "intelligence" they gave you is a flop, and now we are all a flop to the rest of the world. Flop. Flop. Flop.
And you have the audacity to criticize John Kerry with what you call the "many positions" he has taken on Iraq. By my count, he has taken only one: He believed you. That was his position. You told him and the rest of congress that Saddam had WMDs. So he -- and the vast majority of Americans, even those who didn't vote for you -- believed you. You see, Americans, like John Kerry, want to live in a country where they can believe their president.
That was the one, single position John Kerry took. He didn't support the war, he supported YOU. And YOU let him and this great country down. And that is why tens of millions can't wait to get to the polls on Election Day -- to remove a major, catastrophic flop from our dear, beloved White House -- to stop all the flipping you and your men have done, flipping us and the rest of the world off.
posted on September 28, 2004 07:14:57 AMKD - I don't understand why pictures are so important...when words from those there on the group talk about what's been improved. My link obviously didn't deserve any of your time.
Linda, pictures are important.....pictures are worth 1000 words.....especially when, we the American people, get conflicting messages about what is going on in Iraq. With all the mixed messages, I for one would like to see some pictures as it might change my views of what is actually taking place there.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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posted on September 28, 2004 07:46:09 AM
logans, seek and ye shall find!
seriously i am sure there are some out there if went looking for them!
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.. Go'wan and row yer boat. And try to do it merrily, merrily, cause this life IS but a dream...
posted on September 28, 2004 09:22:03 AM
Iraq had nothing to do with the war on terrorism.
Iraq was a secular dictatorship and if anything an enemy of muslim extremists.
But Bushtard has turned Iraq into a hotbed of radical muslims, seeing a "christian" nation occupying their country and imposing Western values.
Southern Iraq Sunnis will become aligned with Iran.
We all should be very afraid of being attacked here in the US if Bush is elected. He has stirred up problems in the middle east that were all unnecessary.
posted on September 28, 2004 11:11:15 AM
logans, seek and ye shall find!
seriously i am sure there are some out there if went looking for them!
Neroter, I looked and didn't find any. You would think there would be some out there. However with Bush only spend 5% of the reconstruction money he has been given it makes me doubt there are any pictures.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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posted on September 28, 2004 11:47:47 AMHowever with Bush only spend 5% of the reconstruction money he has been given...
This is how the dems twist this too. The money spend has been 'bills paid'. There has been other work done that is still 'owed' payment on but has not been paid. They're not to a point of building to pay YET...but the work they've done is still owed....and still in our accounts.
As for the success of Kerry's anti-democracy protests and his leadership of the VVAW and association with Fonda's Winter Soldier Investigation, General Vo Nguyen Giap, Vietnam's most decorated military leader, wrote in retrospect that if not for the disunity created by such stateside protesters, Hanoi would have ultimately surrendered.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, which states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington
posted on September 28, 2004 11:55:14 AM
As usual...the dems here can't find anything. Maybe that's why they're voting for kerry....so the government can help them do what they should be able to do themselves. They need the Bush supporters to do all their work for them....because they just can't.
There are hundreds of sites all over the internet with plenty of pictures. So sorry the dems aren't able to find it themselves.
Here's a place to start....choose the first link...then use that link...then go to the next url and do the same thing. It's really QUITE simple.
posted on September 28, 2004 12:24:14 PM
Linda, all I could find from your links, is money being allocated for reconstruction planning - no pictures. It's not the pictures really - it's the fact that Bush & Co. are saying that reconstruction is underway and things are improving in Iraq. Pictures would help to verify his claims, but even if he were a bit more specific regarding where all the improvements are taking place, it would help gain back some of the trust he's lost... OR, is this just another ploy to make things sound better than they are because he's up for election? If it is a ploy, nobody's going to believe a word of it without pictures or specifics. If it isn't a ploy, there should be no reason why these reconstruction pictures are being withheld.
posted on September 28, 2004 12:32:27 PM
KD - My patience is all used up. If you could check on 112,000 url's and their links on each in less than 1/2 hour.....you're really some super reader. I doubt you did...and I'm not responding to any more...whining nor complaining. Period.
Typical from the left....if you don't do their work for them....and they can't have it handed to them on a silver platter...then it just doesn't exsist. Sorry...but they're there.
posted on September 28, 2004 12:45:26 PM
The truth is that right now, American companies are unable to construct anything They are "waiting for the smoke to clear" according to one of the many articles available on Google. The Iraq ministry of Housing and Construction has been burned and looted with equipment stolen. Reporters can't even leave their hotels which are surrounded by concrete and wire. The place is a war zone!
posted on September 28, 2004 01:10:08 PM
Linda, I read every link and still couldn't find pictures.
Of course you're right Helen. There are no pictures because it's another bs story to make things look better than they are. Bush must think all Americans are stupid - at least that's what he's hoping for.
posted on September 28, 2004 01:26:50 PM
Linda you are still fooling yourself.
From the first link in list you provided:
One of the pictures said the following:
The bridge across the Tigris from the Green Zone to the East side. The sign above has a 3rd Infantry Division sticker that had been pasted over a Saddam portrait. We were covering up all the Saddam pictures (1000's in Iraq) with yellow happy faces but the Iraqis thought we were laughing at them so we stopped using happy faces.
There is another of two people riding a horse or camel....that's reconstruction for you.
How does these picture show the reconstruction of Iraq. I am sorry but most of the pictures in your links (if they work at all) are pictures from Iraq or are pictures of the Iraqi people or our troops.
Please show me one picture where something new was built. I would really love to see a building that was leveled before the start of the war and a new building that is in it's place. (just like in extreme home maker over). That would be proof of reconstruction efforts.
If you could check on 112,000 url's and their links on each in less than 1/2 hour.....you're really some super reader. I doubt you did...and I'm not responding to any more...whining nor complaining. Period.
Just like Linda, when she is backed in to a corner she will leave and threaten us that she will not post again. Anybody want to take a bet she will be back to answer one more time???
Typical from the left....if you don't do their work for them....and they can't have it handed to them on a silver platter...then it just doesn't exsist. Sorry...but they're there.
Linda is off to make some pictures of the reconstruction going on in Iraq and then post them to a blog so she can show proof of what is going on there.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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posted on September 28, 2004 04:32:46 PM
LINDA! You might not need to go into total organ failure yet. I was just watching Dan Rather and they showed pictures of a new school that was built in Iraq. Isn't that great news?!?!
posted on September 28, 2004 05:11:02 PM If America were Iraq, What would it be Like?
President Bush said Tuesday that the Iraqis are refuting the pessimists and implied that things are improving in that country.
What would America look like if it were in Iraq's current situation? The population of the US is over 11 times that of Iraq, so a lot of statistics would have to be multiplied by that number.
Thus, violence killed 300 Iraqis last week, the equivalent proportionately of 3,300 Americans. What if 3,300 Americans had died in car bombings, grenade and rocket attacks, machine gun spray, and aerial bombardment in the last week? That is a number greater than the deaths on September 11, and if America were Iraq, it would be an ongoing, weekly or monthly toll.
And what if those deaths occurred all over the country, including in the capital of Washington, DC, but mainly above the Mason Dixon line, in Boston, Minneapolis, Salt Lake City, and San Francisco?
What if the grounds of the White House and the government buildings near the Mall were constantly taking mortar fire? What if almost nobody in the State Department at Foggy Bottom, the White House, or the Pentagon dared venture out of their buildings, and considered it dangerous to go over to Crystal City or Alexandria?
What if all the reporters for all the major television and print media were trapped in five-star hotels in Washington, DC and New York, unable to move more than a few blocks safely, and dependent on stringers to know what was happening in Oklahoma City and St. Louis? What if the only time they ventured into the Midwest was if they could be embedded in Army or National Guard units?
There are estimated to be some 25,000 guerrillas in Iraq engaged in concerted acts of violence. What if there were private armies totalling 275,000 men, armed with machine guns, assault rifles (legal again!), rocket-propelled grenades, and mortar launchers, hiding out in dangerous urban areas of cities all over the country? What if they completely controlled Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, Denver and Omaha, such that local police and Federal troops could not go into those cities?
What if, during the past year, the Secretary of State (Aqilah Hashemi), the President (Izzedine Salim), and the Attorney General (Muhammad Baqir al-Hakim) had all been assassinated?
What if all the cities in the US were wracked by a crime wave, with thousands of murders, kidnappings, burglaries, and carjackings in every major city every year?
What if the Air Force routinely (I mean daily or weekly) bombed Billings, Montana, Flint, Michigan, Watts in Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Anacostia in Washington, DC, and other urban areas, attempting to target "safe houses" of "criminal gangs", but inevitably killing a lot of children and little old ladies?
What if, from time to time, the US Army besieged Virginia Beach, killing hundreds of armed members of the Christian Soldiers? What if entire platoons of the Christian Soldiers militia holed up in Arlington National Cemetery, and were bombarded by US Air Force warplanes daily, destroying thousands of graves and even pulverizing the Vietnam Memorial over on the Mall? What if the National Council of Churches had to call for a popular march of thousands of believers to converge on the National Cathedral to stop the US Army from demolishing it to get at a rogue band of the Timothy McVeigh Memorial Brigades?
What if there were virtually no commercial air traffic in the country? What if many roads were highly dangerous, especially Interstate 95 from Richmond to Washington, DC, and I-95 and I-91 up to Boston? If you got on I-95 anywhere along that over 500-mile stretch, you would risk being carjacked, kidnapped, or having your car sprayed with machine gun fire.
What if no one had electricity for much more than 10 hours a day, and often less? What if it went off at unpredictable times, causing factories to grind to a halt and air conditioning to fail in the middle of the summer in Houston and Miami? What if the Alaska pipeline were bombed and disabled at least monthly? What if unemployment hovered around 40%?
What if veterans of militia actions at Ruby Ridge and the Oklahoma City bombing were brought in to run the government on the theory that you need a tough guy in these times of crisis?
What if municipal elections were cancelled and cliques close to the new "president" quietly installed in the statehouses as "governors?" What if several of these governors (especially of Montana and Wyoming) were assassinated soon after taking office or resigned when their children were taken hostage by guerrillas?
What if the leader of the European Union maintained that the citizens of the United States are, under these conditions, refuting pessimism and that freedom and democracy are just around the corner?
