posted on October 1, 2004 12:31:41 PM
You know it, you saw it. Repeatedly, Kerry took it to GW. Bush couldn't answer the questions, he gave no respect to his challenger when asked, if Kerry was President would we be attacked. GW's ego, lack of focus, and "rules of engagement" made him prove to the world how much of an @ss he really is. GW proved to the American People that he has nothing to run on, except his strategy of staying the course. The problem with the course is that it isn't working. He was called on it repeatedly, and couldn't respond, except with his, "I am a War President" attitude. It was proven time and time again that Bush's only strategy is to use fear and America's military muscle to get his way. Kerry took it to him from beginning to end. Kerry presented his strategy to resolve the problems facing our country as we continue to lose International support because of the presidents policies. Sure, Kerry wasn't as strong as he could have been. Wait until the next debate. Kerry will continue his attack. His offensive strategy that makes GW's expressions of dumbfoundedness grow, his anger boiling over, and GW's one simple message, "I'm a War President". He has failed miserably. GW stood at his podium looking like Tattoo from Fantasy Island, answering his questions like a school boy who spent the last semester partying rather than studying trying to excuse his way out of getting F's on his report card. GW had no answers. He wasted a third of his time reeling in an excuse, a lame answer, or a jab that didn't come close to landing. GW's strategy of being a war president went on deaf ears to the undecided. How can you claim success when the death toll in Iraq continues to climb, the insurgents continue to succeed at underminding our military. How can you expect to believe someone who claims victory on the war, when our friends and family come home in body bags? We got to see the real GW last night, it was GW bending over and Kerry kicking his sorry butt all over the place.
posted on October 1, 2004 01:21:48 PM
I'd sure like to hear your explanation on just WHO kerry thinks will come join us, in Iraq, after he's blasted our allies that are helping us now, and France, Germany, Spain and a couple other countries have said they will NOT send troops - even IF kerry's elected. Who do you see him bringing in to help us troop wise?
kerry has no stated plan other than to get help from other countries...but doesn't mention just who that help will be from and he keeps changing how soon he'll withdraw our troops. Maybe you know what he doesn't?
I think after kerry's stated it's the wrong war, wrong time and place...they'd be pretty stupid to come help us out under his administration. Especially after how he HAS spoken of those that have joined us.
[ edited by Linda_K on Oct 1, 2004 01:34 PM ]
posted on October 1, 2004 01:32:07 PM
As far as getting his 'butt' kicked by kerry kerry was corrected by the President on many mis-statements he made.
Poland
Iran sanctions
already being in place.
having bin laden surrounded
*hundreds of millions of dollars* to research bunker busting nuclear weapons...when it's less than $35M
$200B cost in Iraq when it's $120B.
Lying again about call President Bush a liar...saying he didn't when he has.
President reminding kerry he looked at the same intelligence info he saw....even though kerry says he was 'mislead'.
kerry's facts were wrong on N. Korea
President asking kerry how he expects to get allied help for a war that kerry states is 'the wrong war, in the wrong place at the wrong time'. [one of my favorites]
Another of my favorites was when Bush threw a statement kerry made in '71 back in his face...since he keeps claiming we were mislead. "How do you ask a man to be the last to die for a mistake."
NATO already helping.
Oh yea....he kicked the President's butt alright ROFLMHO
posted on October 1, 2004 01:38:11 PM
linda, I'm sure you're Rolling on the floor laughing like a dog with an itch but just in case you haven't noticed the rest of the world knows Kerry won the debate.
Just because bush corrected Kerry doesn't mean he was right.
NOW YOU tell us what BUSH'S answer to the mess in IRAQ is?
Fair enough??????????
How does HE intend to get other countries to help us.....more bribes....we're out of money for that so I think he'd better come up with a different plan and I haven't heard it.
WHAT IS IT, linduh???
C'mon, that big mouth of yours flaps a lot ...try saying SOMETHING!
posted on October 1, 2004 01:38:16 PM
Linda, you obviously only hear what you want to hear. Kerry made it very clear, as I have on many occassions, that for a country to accept part of the burden in Iraq, they also have to reap some of the rewards in Iraq. GW's plan is strictly inclusive of American corporations and will profit from the "rebuilding" of Iraq. Kerry's plan is to have an International coalition who will not only help with the burden, but will also share in what Iraq can offer in the end. You know this mostly means oil. Why should another country want to help us fix our mess, when they get nothing in return.
GW made it absurdly clear that his political accomplishments are based in spending. Spending and more spending. You heard him repeat it over and over again last night. I suppose it is hard work to spend billions of dollars of our tax money. Kerry attacked, GW defending his accomplishments with statements like, "We've spent 3 billion here", "we've spent a billion there." What has spending billions of dollars accomplished??? Have you watched the news on what is really going on in Iraq? I have yet to see any accomplishments created by all of this spending. Right now, I sound more like a fiscal conservative than you neocons do. You continue to support a president who does nothing but spend and waste money. How can you claim success when all you do is spend money have nothing to show for it, except over 1000 American soldiers coming home in body bags.
[ edited by rustygumbo on Oct 1, 2004 01:40 PM ]
posted on October 1, 2004 01:43:56 PM
rusty - You didn't answer my question.
Like I said Germany, France and Spain have clearly said NO MATTER WHO is elected they will not send troops into Iraq. So...who do YOU see joining us in Iraq?
A VERY simple question and rather than repeating what you've already said...you didn't answer it.
posted on October 1, 2004 01:44:00 PM
Oh, by the say, www.msn.com has a survey on who won the debate.
Kerry is getting 61% to Bush's 39%. I would say that was an @ss kicking. Even though I don't have faith in polling, I'm sure you all would want to know.
posted on October 1, 2004 01:47:41 PM
Gee Gosh linda , what ever happened to all those allies the neocons were bragging about having.....aren't they there dying...er ..I mean leaving...er.. I mean helping....???????
posted on October 1, 2004 01:49:23 PM
Linduh, you really are clueless. Have you ever heard of negotiations? I know this current administration forgot what that is, but the truth of the matter is that Kerry will bring to the table new insight into Iraq. If you think these allies of ours won't listen to what Kerry has to offer, you are sorely wrong. These countries have no faith in Bush, and will go to a table if there is something on it for them to eat. Bush has yet to offer anything they can sink their teeth into. You want a black and white answer, just as your president continues to present. You think there are only two sides to every answer, and you are so wrong in assuming that.
posted on October 1, 2004 01:53:17 PM
rusty - First to address one of your above questions....the allies that HAVE helped us are going to be the ones that are going to be rewarded for their help. There's no reason to aware contracts to those who wouldn't join us, haven't spent one dime nor one of their countrymen's lives to fight this war. No reason at all. Bush said he'd aware the one's that did help by giving them the contracts. And he already has with a couple.
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Second on the polls....LOL...I've been reading many this morning. Are you surprised that those who have supported kerry all along are saying that? I'm not. Their readers have been getting nothing but pro-kerry through most of this election season. But he won't tell us much except 'he has a plan'...WHAT PLAN?? he won't say how...when...just he'll fill us all in on the cost of all his proposals and how he'll deal with the war AFTER he's elected. Raising our taxes is how.
posted on October 1, 2004 02:02:26 PM
No linda he doesn't want to raise taxes but he doesn't want the middle and lower class paying more than their fair share.
linda, please tell us how YOU and bush would pay for this war without taxes.
Your first paragraph shows the haughty, hateful arrogant attitude of neocons that make so many people hate all Americans.
"the allies that HAVE helped us are going to be the ones that are going to be rewarded for their help. There's no reason to aware contracts to those who wouldn't join us, haven't spent one dime nor one of their countrymen's lives to fight this war. No reason at all. Bush said he'd aware the one's that did help by giving them the contracts. And he already has with a couple."
WE DID NOT CONQUER IRAQ! Don't you think IRAQ should have the decision as to who they do business with or linda, are you the rare neocon who can tell the truth.....bush wanted total control of Iraq, NOT freedom amd democracy.
posted on October 1, 2004 02:03:28 PM
rusty - If you think these allies of ours won't listen to what Kerry has to offer, you are sorely wrong.
See...this is why I don't think you dems really think things through. France, Germany and Spain have said that...NOT ME. I take them at their word, because I've read their leaders being quoted over and over...you obviously don't believe they mean what they're saying they're NOT going to do...even IF kerry is elected.
Just like I believe most dems here don't really think we face the terrorist threat that we really do....I believe the terrorists when they tell us what they have in store for our way of life. It's not a 'game' to me....not a political game. This is our future.
And here we have all this reconstruction work to be done...and kerry can't make up his mind if we're staying for four years, one year or six months. He's undependable in many ways....he doesn't know what he's going to do....he just wants to be elected...be in charge.
I have full faith the voters of our Nation will continue to see that President Bush is firm in his position that this is a war that's better fought over there than on our own soil. To bring our troops home before Iraq is settled and secure is going to guarantee that happening.
posted on October 1, 2004 02:11:54 PM
AND another thing
Have you ever heard of negotiations?
Not only have I heard of them...I have the pain and displeasure of watching kerry negotiate with VN communists for our POW/MIAs in VN. He sold them out so we could develop trade relations with their country...to the benefit of his cousin. That's how kerry negotiates...he sells our own [still] fighting VN vets....sells the POW/MIAs out...to negotiate. NO THANK YOU....I don't like the price we pay when kerry negotiates for our country. It stinks and it's too high a price to pay!!!
RE-ELECT PRESIDENT BUSH!!!
As for the success of Kerry's anti-democracy protests and his leadership of the VVAW and association with Fonda's Winter Soldier Investigation, General Vo Nguyen Giap, Vietnam's most decorated military leader, wrote in retrospect that if not for the disunity created by such stateside protesters, Hanoi would have ultimately surrendered.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, which states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington
posted on October 1, 2004 02:14:33 PM
Linda- so shallow minded. You obviously agree that it is ok to destroy another country that had nothing to do with the threat in America, as long as it is in the name of American interests. Why do you think other countries aren't with us on this? They know full well that the actions that our president took, were plain wrong. Why should they risk their countrymen's lives to support an ideal that is wrong? If America continues on this tract, whether Bush is elected or Kerry is elected, I would hope that no country would help us out. Kerry proposes alternatives to working with other foreign leaders to gain support to fix the mistake that Bush made and continues to make. It is a far better step in the right direction than continuing this track of conquer and ask questions later that Bush thinks is right.
posted on October 1, 2004 02:18:06 PM
With Iran and North Korea now having nuclear capabilities, what is Bush going to do? I suppose he is going to go to war with these countries as well because they now pose a threat.
How many more soldiers will it take to fight a war in Iran and North Korea? How many more must loose their lives because of Bush's arrogance?
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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posted on October 1, 2004 02:18:32 PM
Ancient history that nobody cares about.
I care about things that affect me like the rape of middle class taxpayers by bush, the rape of Iraq by bush, the rape of the environment by bush, the rape of our educational system by bush.
gotta hand it to you,linduh, you're just like your cousin george, uncaring, hate-mongering, war mongering.....and desperate...you are grasping at straws nobody cares about.
posted on October 1, 2004 02:19:36 PM
Negotiations are a way of life in politics. You earn respect, you gain respect, and you work with others to resolve the problem. You have to give a little to take a little.
Bush doesn't know what negotiations are. His personal work history has shown time and time again he is a miserable failure at leading a business. His political history has shown the same disregard. Bush is a spendaholic, and you, as a self-righteous conservative should be ashamed of supporting someone who spends billions of dollars and shows no accomplishments for it, unless you consider the thousand plus American lives that were taken because of a stupid mistake.
posted on October 1, 2004 02:28:43 PM
Just can't refrain from those little personal comments and have a discussion, can you rusty? Aren't you adult enough to just stick to the issues? Or does it make you feel like a bigger man to insult women?
You obviously agree that it is ok to destroy another country that had nothing to do with the threat in America, as long as it is in the name of American interests.
I feel saddam presented a threat to our Nation just as the last THREE administrations felt. Your kerry felt they did to and there are many, many quotes on the internet of him saying just that.
Why do you think other countries aren't with us on this?
Because they were in cohoots with saddam. Canada, Germany and France were all involved in the Oil-For-Scam they had going with saddam. I've sure you've been reading about that. They were protecting their own interests with saddam....plus the money saddam owed them...his debt to them.
They know full well that the actions that our president took, were plain wrong.
This is another issue I have with you kerry supporters. Who gives a damn who thinks we're wrong when we're defending our country immediately following 9-11. So...like kerry...if the 'global' community doesn't approve then we shouldn't do it? LOL...we didn't fight for our freedom to have the UN telling us what we can and can't do. PERIOD!!!
Why should they risk their countrymen's lives to support an ideal that is wrong?
Why don't you ask kerry that question....he didn't feel it was wrong. He's been saying it for 14 years now....he didn't think clinton did enough about the womd they too thought saddam had.
If America continues on this tract, whether Bush is elected or Kerry is elected, I would hope that no country would help us out.
Well, imo, that's pretty un-American of you. Wish ill-will on your own country...yet enjoy each and every benefit this country offers you. How sad....how very very sad. People who think that way don't deserved to live in this country and enjoy our rights.
Kerry proposes alternatives to working with other foreign leaders to gain support to fix the mistake that Bush made and continues to make.
He proposed NO alternative last night. He only mentions a plan...he didn't lay a plan out.
It is a far better step in the right direction than continuing this track of conquer and ask questions later that Bush thinks is right.
Yea, so vote for kerry so our intelligence can be EVEN WORSE....as he voted more than once to take funding AWAY from, to not increase funding for our intelligence agencies. Then he can just reassure us all is well. right........
posted on October 1, 2004 02:35:54 PM
rusty, You are so right.
All of us have watched several of Bush's speeches. All of us have seen the guy can't think for himself, he has to read every word, he has no original thoughts. Last night Geo Bush showed the whole country that he really has no plan or answers for anything.
Last night Kerry pointed out that he had far more experience talking with foreign leaders than Bush. Kerry will and can bring more foreign leaders and countries to our side after Bush is gone.
After last night now America knows why after Bush meets with foreign leaders most wind up opposing him. These leaders are smart people and can't side with a President that has no plan and thinks he can bully the rest of the free world. When 911 happened we had the support of the whole free world until Bush blew it away.
Last night Kerry looked the American people right in the eye and said he is going to fight the war against terrorist and kill the terrorist. He looked us in the eye and explained what his plan is to make America stronger and safer.
After last night the American people know why its so important to band together and vote Bush out of office. Its doesn't matter what party you belong to, its not a thing from the right or left, its not a conservative or a liberal thing, its a what's best for American thing.
posted on October 1, 2004 02:38:54 PMWith Iran and North Korea now having nuclear capabilities, what is Bush going to do? I suppose he is going to go to war with these countries as well because they now pose a threat.
I thought you watched the debate last night. If you had you would have heard his answer to that. He's doing EXACTLY what the lefties are always screaming for....he's getting OTHER countries involved along with the US to work out a solution. So...see....when he does what you SAY you want...he's still wrong according to you. There's not pleasing any of you it appears.
How many more soldiers will it take to fight a war in Iran and North Korea? How many more must loose their lives because of Bush's arrogance?
It's not arrogance you nut. It's defending our country. And there is a world agreement about the proliferation of womd. But he's willing to do what it takes not talking about it for another 14 years like was done with saddam.
And taking saddam out will settle down the ME down the road. It has already made a difference in Libya. They saw what we did...now they're more willing to cooperate than before.
posted on October 1, 2004 02:50:03 PM
"Or does it make you feel like a bigger man to insult women?"
Linda, since when have I insulted women? I think you may have me mistaken for Twelvepole's thread "Why women will never make as much..." which I have noted you didn't participate to defend all the women out there. Hmmm. Seems pretty sad that you are attacking me for being a man, and then to lie and say that I am insulting women. I am not insulting women, I am simply attacking you and your backwards way of thinking. If you are so worried about men insulting women, you should participate in your neocon buddies thread. He once again proves why I am proud to be a liberal who believes in equal rights for all, whether you are a man, a woman, straight, gay, white, black, hispanic, etc.
Now back on topic... Kerry has a plan. He has an exit strategy. He wants to work other leaders. Bush on the other hand is steeped in spending accomplishments. How much money can buy an accomplishment? Bush failed to give us one accomplishment beyond spending money. I don't think spending money is an accomplishment without results. Either do the fiscal conservatives. So, what do we have leading our country? I think the word "fascist" would describe him perfectly.
posted on October 1, 2004 02:53:28 PMBecause they were in cohoots with saddam. Canada, Germany and France were all involved in the Oil-For-Scam they had going with saddam.
Linda_k, you keep saying that Canada was in "cohoots" (please note the correct word is cahoots) with Saddam but can you show facts? And I mean REAL FACTS and REAL PROOF from a legitimate source ......... not propaganda from a rag site like Rev. Moonie Times.
I ask because you and your brother fred are spieling that. I already asked fred and he couldn't show me. Now it's your turn to try to show PROOF or are you going to cower and run again?
posted on October 1, 2004 03:16:28 PM
Too bad Linda doesn't give us much of a challenge when debating her. Her cut and pasting of propaganda prove that over and over again. Linda, perhaps you should become the liberal feminist since you managed to target a pro-women's rights activist vs. targeting your neo-con buddy twelvepole and his anti-women hatemongering. That is how backwards your thought process is.
[ edited by rustygumbo on Oct 1, 2004 03:20 PM ]
posted on October 1, 2004 03:25:36 PM
Linda_k, your propaganda makes as much sense as last week when you tried to threaten me by saying you would let the terrorists know where I live. That must mean that you are in cahoots with the terrorists.
posted on October 1, 2004 03:28:09 PM
rusty - Yep I was right about you. Somehow it makes you feel so much more superior to downgrade a fellow poster - rather than just stick to the issue.
So typical of you. Shouldn't have even tried to be civil...it's not possible with you.
Sure....let's bring our troops home and then we can just wait until the terrorists find a way to give us a few more 'gifts' like 9-11...but many this time it will be with the use of chemical or bio weapons. GREAT PLAN...just sit and wait rather than fighting them over there.
They're desperate right now...that's why the increase of fighting...they know they're losing...and you liberals just want to help them out....against your own country. figures....
posted on October 1, 2004 03:39:27 PM
Ha! no wonder linda you're too afraid to answer my posts....you think Rusty is uncivil?????
I didn't see a single uncivil remark by him!
You are using that as an EXCUSE not to answer posts that prove you are illogical, delusional and just plain wrong!
Pretty cowardly! Like bush.
posted on October 1, 2004 03:45:03 PM
So what are the polls saying now? Did Kerry get that big a bounce from winning the debate?
Have to wnder how much of its going to matter. Most commentators saying many have already made up their mind and arent about to change it.
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.. Go'wan and row yer boat. And try to do it merrily, merrily, cause this life IS but a dream...
posted on October 1, 2004 03:48:12 PM
"Linda_k, your propaganda makes as much sense as last week when you tried to threaten me by saying you would let the terrorists know where I live. That must mean that you are in cahoots with the terrorists."
That's hilarious, Kiara....and her signature acknowledging the Vietnam enemy, master of guerrilla warfare and a communist too... "Giap"...maybe she knows "Fonda" too?
kerry was corrected by the President on many mis-statements he made.
