posted on October 1, 2004 04:15:30 PMBecause they were in cohoots with saddam. Canada, Germany and France were all involved in the Oil-For-Scam they had going with saddam.
Linda Linda...what are we going to do with you. I think you are way off base on this statement.
With all the research I have done on this subject I am convinced that higher officials in the UN must have known that Russia and perhaps France may have had dealings. But to claim that Canada and Germany were involved is ludicrous to me. There is not one shred of evidence that you can pin on either country. If so show credible documented proof.
I just hope that nobody takes all of her "facts" too seriously. I don't have time to correct them all. Besides, she can make stuff up faster than I can type. LOL!
And the self righteous crap up there about sticking to the issues and refraining from personal attacks is funny too! Reminds me of the pot kettle thing. Hahaha...Let's see...what was I called just yesterday?
posted on October 1, 2004 05:18:02 PM
Careful, trai......... Linda_K always seemed to like you. You don't want to pizz her off by asking for facts like I did a few months ago or next thing you know she'll sic the terrorists on you too.
I wasn't here yesterday, Helen but when I got caught up I did see where katrinka3254 was very nice and wanted to debate with Linda_k but she ran away. I wonder why? That's not a nice way to treat a new poster.
I hope it wasn't because katrinka stood up for herself when Linda's son tried to insult her.
posted on October 1, 2004 06:18:56 PM
John Kerry's Iraq Quandary
On September 6, 2002, John Kerry in an op-ed piece in the New York Times stated that ''I refuse ever to accept the notion that anything I've suggested with respect to Iraq was nuanced. It was clear. It was precise. It was, in fact, prescient. It was ahead of the curve about what the difficulties were. And that is precisely what a president is supposed to be. I think I was right, 100% correct, about how you should have done Iraq.'' Samplings of his prescient remarks are:
1990 – John Kerry stated in the Senate ''Iraq has developed a chemical weapons capability, and is pursuing a nuclear weapons development program.''
1991 - Senator Kerry was in the minority of senators who voted against the Persian Gulf War in 1991.
1997- Senator Kerry stated, ''Should the resolve of our allies wane, the United States must not lose its resolve to take action.'' He further warned that if Saddam Hussein were not held to account for violation of U.N. resolutions, some future conflict would have ''greater consequence.''
1998 – Senator Kerry stated, ''I think there is a disconnect between the depth of the threat that Saddam Hussein presents to the world and what we are at the moment talking about doing. ... we have to be prepared to go the full distance, which is to do everything possible to disrupt his regime and to encourage the forces of democracy. Saddam Hussein is pursuing a program to build weapons of mass destruction and I support regime change, with ground troops if necessary. I am way ahead of the commander in chief, and I'm probably way ahead of my colleagues and certainly of much of the country. But I believe this. I believe that he has used these weapons before. He has invaded another country. He views himself as a modern-day Nebuchadnezzar. He wants to continue to play the uniting critical role in that part of the world. And I think we have to stand up to that.''
2002 – Kerry states: ''I would disagree with John McCain that it's the actual weapons of mass destruction he may use against us, it's what he may do in another invasion of Kuwait or in a miscalculation about the Kurds or a miscalculation about Iran or particularly Israel. Those are the things that--that I think present the greatest danger. He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It's the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat.
2003 - ''If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the international community's already existing order, then he will have invited enforcement, even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act.''
2004 – Saddam Hussein took us to war once before. In that war, young Americans were killed. He went to war in order to take over the oil fields. It wasn't just an invasion of Kuwait. He was heading for the oil fields of Saudi Arabia. And that would have had a profound effect on the security of the United States. This is a man who has used weapons of mass destruction, unlike other people on this earth today, not only against other people but against his own people. This is a man who tried to assassinate a former president of the United States, a man who lobbed 36 missiles into Israel in order to destabilize the Middle East, a man who is so capable of miscalculation that he even brought this war on himself. This is a man who, if he was left uncaptured, would have continued to be able to organize the Ba'athists. He would have continued to terrorize the people, just in their minds, because of 30 years of terror in Iraq.''
September 2004 - ''Let me be as blunt and direct with the American people as I can be, The invasion of Iraq was a profound diversion from the battle against our greatest enemy-- al Queda--the president's misjudgment, miscalculation, and mismanagement of the war in Iraq all made the war on terror harder to win.
Are these the comments of a candidate for president who says he was prescient, ahead of the curve about the difficulties, 100% correct, or are these the comments of an opportunist who will do and say anything to sway public opinion?
KERRY VS. BUSH
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Who won the debate?
Decision for Bush 40.16% (3899)
Split decision 24.92% (2419)
Decision for Kerry 11.28% (1095)
Knockout for Bush 9.23% (896)
TKO for Bush 6.59% (640)
Other 3.81% (370)
Knockout for Kerry 2.38% (231)
TKO for Kerry 1.63% (158)
TOTAL VOTES: 9708
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
posted on October 1, 2004 06:23:55 PM
Yes, I noticed that too, Kiara...But I'm sure that Katrinka is not the kind of poster that linda or her "son" can intimidate.
Right crowfarm...The silence is deafening..think I'll work on my photos for awhile.
Expressed himself more clearly
60% 32%
Had a good understanding of the issues
41% 41%
Agreed with you more on the issues you care about
46% 49%
Was more believable
45% 50%
Was more likable
41% 48%
Demonstrated he is tough enough for the job
37% 54%
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
posted on October 1, 2004 07:34:51 PM
Not only is kiara continuing her 'game' playing...now she too is resorting to lying.
I NEVER said anything about sending terrorists to your house kiara....you're TOTALLY delusional. Nor have I named Canada in the Oil-For-Food scam several times.
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trai - Because one does not hear nor read about something does not mean it's never been mentioned or that someone is not being truthful. It's just that you haven't come across it. Our Congress is and has been doing an investigation on the OFF program for a while now. There are many countries that have been named as having 'deals' with saddam. It's been reported that there is going to be an announcement of some sort this Tuesday...an update, as I took it, on their investigation.
posted on October 1, 2004 07:44:22 PMor are these the comments of an opportunist who will do and say anything to sway public opinion?
That's the one...it's the truth when it comes to kerry.
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As for the success of Kerry's anti-democracy protests and his leadership of the VVAW and association with Fonda's Winter Soldier Investigation, General Vo Nguyen Giap, Vietnam's most decorated military leader, wrote in retrospect that if not for the disunity created by such stateside protesters, Hanoi would have ultimately surrendered.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, which states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington
Linda_K... The topic under discussion was terrorists crossing the Canadian border. I read the thread with one of your infamous insinuations that you would be sure to tell Kiara's "friends" how they could reach her house.
You can discuss your meaning with Kiara when she returns. In the meantime, I want to point out that Kiara does NOT lie or have delusions.
posted on October 1, 2004 08:16:23 PM
Linda, canadians wouldn't go to Iraq because they are cowards... no other reason...
President Bush spoke to the majority of America and their emotions... that is what will win the election for the President... who the hell wants to elect a corpse...
Did president Bush stumble some...yes, did he misspeak and when not speaking had the temrity to look upset at kerry's lying BS... but over all a good debate and looking forward to the next... kerry did better than I thought...
But will he be able to say the same things a week later... LOL
posted on October 1, 2004 08:17:35 PM
helen - I have OFTEN said your short term memory is failing you. And it has again. I did NOT say anything like that to kiara.
Why do you come to defend her. Pull up the thread - you're so good at that. And kiara's good at saying 'put up or shut up'. Maybe she should take her own advice.
As for the success of Kerry's anti-democracy protests and his leadership of the VVAW and association with Fonda's Winter Soldier Investigation, General Vo Nguyen Giap, Vietnam's most decorated military leader, wrote in retrospect that if not for the disunity created by such stateside protesters, Hanoi would have ultimately surrendered.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, which states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington
posted on October 1, 2004 08:26:52 PMLinda, canadians wouldn't go to Iraq because they are cowards...no other reason...
I'm sorry, twelve, but I've read about some deal saddam had with some higher up in the Canadian government. When the investigation is concluded we may hear that it wasn't true...or it was true. But it has been reported and there are many countries, companies and individuals mentioned also that I'm not hearing about on our 'normal' media - that this investigation is beginning to make connections between them and deals with saddam under the FFO program.
posted on October 1, 2004 08:30:41 PM
Have you forgotten already what you said in this thread about addressing the issue rather than the poster??? Seems you can't practice what you preach.
Pull up your own thread, Linda. That insinuation is your's to explain...not mine.
posted on October 1, 2004 08:37:47 PM
helen - get over yourself. I never said that to kiara.
THIS ISN'T ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS anyway, HELEN. I called kiara a liar because I know exactly who I made that comment to...as a joke...kidding and it wasn't her.
Get your beauty sleep...might help your memory too.
As for the success of Kerry's anti-democracy protests and his leadership of the VVAW and association with Fonda's Winter Soldier Investigation, General Vo Nguyen Giap, Vietnam's most decorated military leader, wrote in retrospect that if not for the disunity created by such stateside protesters, Hanoi would have ultimately surrendered.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, which states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington
posted on October 1, 2004 08:48:08 PM
Linda_k, you've told me for months now when I write here on the RT that I don't agree with Bush invading Iraq that I support the terrorists and insurgents with my words. Then you never fail...... you often bring the US/Canada border into an unrelated discussion like it's up to me to make sure that the Canadian government secures it all.
What do you mean it's none of Helen's business? We were discussing border security and you said.
Oh...and I'll be sure and tell your friends how they can reach your house easier. That way you can help them more than you do with words alone.
I called you on that comment Linda_k and you never came back and said the comment wasn't meant for me. Why do you think I keep mentioning that you think you know who my "friends" are and you don't comment? Because you know dang well what you said and meant, that's why! Who is playing the games now?
Because they were in cohoots with saddam. Canada, Germany and France were all involved in the Oil-For-Scam they had going with saddam.
First you report that Canada is involved in the oil for food scam like it is fact and now you admit that the results of the investigation haven't been released yet but you support the scam info with a link to a google search?
All this time have you actually been thinking that each and every link that one finds in a google search is FACT? FYI, I could write something about you and put it on my website and it would also be in google search and it wouldn't necessarily have to be a FACT. DUH!
posted on October 1, 2004 08:57:16 PM
kiara - Why don't you post the full link since you have what you believe I said to you. I didn't say that to you....and just because you posted after that and I didn't return to the thread doesn't mean that makes it true.
You have some REAL issues kiara....separating yourself from any mention of Canada. YOU are NOT the whole of Canada. YOU are ONLY one little petty woman who likes to play games and who thinks everything ever mentioned about Canada is all about her.
Guess what? It's not. Get over it. That statement WAS not directed at you. PERIOD.
Don't ever expect me to respond to anything you ask or say to me. You're a liar, a schemer, a sh!t disturber and I'm fed up with all your false accusations.
I post here to discuss politics...not get into this third grade crap you so enjoy. Grow up.
You have some REAL issues kiara....separating yourself from any mention of Canada. YOU are NOT the whole of Canada.
That's my point, Linda_k. You used to treat me nice until you found out I didn't worship Bush like you do. Then you found out I now live in Canada and you really spewed your venom. Everytime you don't agree with me on a topic YOU slam Canada even though Canada had nothing at all to do with the topic that was being discussed. Get it? I seldom mention living in Canada, it's YOU that brings Canada up all the time.
You're a liar, a schemer, a sh!t disturber
HEY! I seldom lie. Yes, sometimes I'm a bit of a schemer and a sh!t disturber though. Is that a bad thing?
posted on October 2, 2004 02:15:38 AM
Missed all the fun again.
Linda, I went back and re-read the thread. Seems Helen mentioned Annapolis, MD & about the security there, and then you posted the remark about I'll be sure to tell your friends.... - but now somehow it's a threat against kiara!! You do have to laugh, now, Linda!! Reminds me of a song: "Its all about me and my charming personality....."
So Kerry is a better orator than Bush. Big deal. It's too late for "I would have dones"...we are already in Iraq. It's going to come down to who has the organizational skills and strong enough backbone to make some possibly unpopular decisions to get us through this from here. Should we set up a whole new administration and policies right now? I'm not so sure that is a great strategy at this point. Are we sure Kerry's got [thee] map here? I only know the American voters will speak to this on November 2nd and the rest of the world is just going to have to deal with it.
posted on October 2, 2004 05:24:10 AM
linda posts,"Linda_K
posted on October 1, 2004 02:28:43 PM
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Just can't refrain from those little personal comments and have a discussion, can you rusty? Aren't you adult enough to just stick to the issues? Or does it make you feel like a bigger man to insult women? """"
THEN posts :
You have some REAL issues kiara....separating yourself from any mention of Canada. YOU are NOT the whole of Canada. YOU are ONLY one little petty woman who likes to play games and who thinks everything ever mentioned about Canada is all about her.
Guess what? It's not. Get over it. That statement WAS not directed at you. PERIOD.
Don't ever expect me to respond to anything you ask or say to me. You're a liar, a schemer, a sh!t disturber and I'm fed up with all your false accusations.
I post here to discuss politics...not get into this third grade crap you so enjoy. Grow up."""""
linda when you're backed into a corner the other poster has to be civil .....but you don't.
YOU proved me right again...you can't take the truth!
Neroter says, "Linda, I went back and re-read the thread. Seems Helen mentioned Annapolis, MD & about the security there, and then you posted the remark about I'll be sure to tell your friends.... - but now somehow it's a threat against kiara!! You do have to laugh, now, Linda!! Reminds me of a song: "Its all about me and my charming personality....."
Neroter, I doubt that coincidental correlation or post hoc ergo propter hoc is involved in this particular case.
...And doesn't it seem strange and unusual that Linda would say that about either my friends or Kiara's friends and then when asked to clarify fail to do so? We will just have to chalk this cryptic remark up to another mystery - probably related to how a particular mind ticks and turns on it's skewed axis.
posted on October 2, 2004 06:57:43 AM
neroter - It's good to see there is someone with the ability to see what I said to whom. I've always posted that helen, imo, sides with our enemies - she did the same thing when we went into Afghanistan as she's doing now in Iraq...we are the villians. And yes, that statement was directed to her to give her a hard time since she posted the area she lives in.
Yes, this debate is over, history now, but I saw one issue where President Bush could have made a good point and called kerry on his vote. When kerry was bringing up Bush1 - a little jab at the President - it would have been a super time to mention kerry's continued statements that he will bring our 'allies' to fight this with us. I wish the President had asked kerry about his vote in 1991....when Bush1 had the support of MANY, many allies and kerry still voted not to go into Iraq when saddam was killing all the Kuwait people. That again proved he has no backbone and wasn't even willing to go in when he DID have all that allied support. He just uses this 'little allied support' as an excuse.
posted on October 2, 2004 07:14:27 AMI doubt that coincidental correlation or post hoc ergo propter hoc .......
Helen, lol! - What?? Did you say something here? LOL>>>>> You're starting to sound like Kerry with his rig-a-ma-role Harvard drawling clenched-teeth rhetoric!! Gives me the urge to say, "ay,you talken to ME?" (And of course, I am not going to leave out Bush with his howdy doody 'err..yup's. :0\ )
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posted on October 2, 2004 07:15:41 AM
But Linda, I was complaining about the fact that there is no security along our shores against terrorists. I used the area of Annapolis because it is one shore that I know about.
So, as usual your attempt to dignify and explain your dummy remark by another ridiculous attempt to insult me makes absolutely no sense.
I only became interested in this thread when you falsely called Kiara a liar and delusional. If it was simply a misunderstanding about who you intended to direct your remark to why didn't you just say so rather than make such a nasty remark to Kiara? Why didn't you simply say to Kiara in that thread and here that you were directing the remark to me???
Then I could have dealt with it right off the bat...or is that what you wanted to avoid?
You are a weak kneed weasel and all the names that you called Kiara throughout this thread really apply to you. In psychology it's call projection.
posted on October 2, 2004 07:30:24 AM
I'd say there's alot of projection going on this board. For a bunch of people who dont even know each other in real life...an awful lot of sh** is strewn to the wind on personal criticisms here. Then of course, there's that nickel and dime psychology cf tries to employ. "I'm better than you because I never make a spelling error or a typo!" ..."My daddy can beat up your daddy"... nah,na,na-nah ::eyeroll::
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.. Go'wan and row yer boat. And try to do it merrily, merrily, cause this life IS but a dream...
posted on October 2, 2004 07:52:05 AM
Linda
Did look over those websites but the bottom line is that they are just hearsay, rumor but no real hard facts.
Why report it as fact when the investigations haven't been released yet?
I will wait and see if and when real proof is forth coming. Till then I will hold on judgment.
Ever wonder how many U.S. corporations are working in France?
I've always posted that helen, imo, sides with our enemies - she did the same thing when we went into Afghanistan as she's doing now in Iraq...we are the villians. And yes, that statement was directed to her to give her a hard time since she posted the area she lives in.