posted on October 2, 2004 02:23:15 PM new "ROFL - Initally, helen, I took it that you were being serious. But you later said you were just joking. Well...read my above comment about 'guess you weren't really joking after all'....maybe you'll get my point. Then again...maybe not. Just as you and kiara BOTH misunderstood who my post about 'your friends' was addressed to. When most intelligent people could easily see I was responding to YOUR comment. But you misunderstood that too...so I don't feel I'm alone on this issue."
Linda, your comment above is probably the most confused message that I have read here...confused, rambling and circular. There is nothing that I can do to help you out other than to suggest a little rest and I mean that sincerely.
posted on October 2, 2004 02:45:53 PM new
Linda_k, perhaps if you would have cleared this up the moment I called you on it because you were talking about Canada's border, instead of letting it escalate for a week or so, things wouldn't come to this.
Perhaps when you don’t agree with me on any issue then how about not personally hitting back at me with an unrelated slam to Canada or an unproven allegation of something Canada is involved in when it is not the topic at hand. I have stated over and over that Canada has many problems so why not leave it at that.
I think you need some rest also and I'm saying this in all kindness.
posted on October 2, 2004 06:18:38 PM new
Linda K-
"Like the golden rule....[do unto to others and you would have them do unto you] ....treat others as you wish to be treated. Obviously not an old statement many here have ever heard."
Oh Linda, I had a feeling there were people in this world that don't understand "the golden rule". It doesn't mean treat others as they treat you!? It MEANS, treat others the way you would like to be treated, No Matter HOW they are treating you. "Take the higher road" "have empathy" etc- It's tough for most human beings, but "practice makes perfect" as they say.
posted on October 2, 2004 06:45:04 PM new now you weasle out of....
First of all, what is she 'weaseling out' of? That she didnt post it toward you? You're the one who continued to ASSUME it was, and harassing her at any chance you could get about it. She choose to ignore any of your related remarks and not indulge your narcissism. Thats her choice. You badger people on this board.
and confess that the remark - Who are you really that anybody should have to "Confess" anything to you? What are you the grand poo-pooh pottie sitter here? Why dont you CONFESS to her you felt like applying it to yourself and you misunderstood?
The burden of thinking its about you is on you; not her. Same with anything she says about Canada. You're the one taking responsibility for the entire country of Canada because she posts something disapproving and you live there!
But anybody can read and FOLLOW that thread. Helen states exactly where she is in Maryland, and Linda makes a snide remark ... I'll be sure to tell your friends where you live...(and o\h yeah, Linda is the ONLY one on this board that ever makes snide remarks, btw.
but you tell her that it's none of her business yet it is the business of neroter12 who wasn't even there...
Maybe you need some rest, Kiara. There is no 'there' here. Anyone can read an entire thread from yesterday, three weeks ago, whatever...and they are 'there' reading it as it happened, because its in print. It's not like 'there' is a physical place, ok?
I posted to this because I read it - and I understood it. Many times it has been stated this is a public message board and anyone can post to anything here. [Like you almost always post your two cents when messages are not directed to you, either...}
You guys just like to try to dominate with personal criticism’s because that is what makes you feel good and what makes you tick. That is plain as day to me. And Linda, because she has her own opinions that are vastly different than yours, is the favorite cornfeed for pick n' tick hen-peckers. Then youre pounding the keyboard in every thread with your hen feathers all all fluckered and bristled. And even then, you want to blame it on somebody .. escalating out of hand ... Seems to me youre the one doing the escalating. Linda posted it to helen and like one of a zillion other zing posts here - it comes and goes between the two of them daily. You're the one who hangs on every word here and thats your demon to deal with, Kiara, nobody else's.
posted on October 2, 2004 06:46:44 PM new
Linda_K- You do tend to bring out the ire in people with these kinds of statements- "you liberals want to help the terrorists."\
I'm pretty sure there are people that might say I'm a liberal and all I can say is September 11, 2001 was the most horrifying day of my life, it will never completely leave me, and it's true we will never be the same (I live in the D.C. area, my husband works at HUD and my brother saw the plane that hit the Pentagon "almost as if it was driving in the street" woosh by him)! To say any decent human being would like to help the terrorists goes way beyond mean spiritness- I can't even comprehend how a person would feel that way, none the say it to anyone! Maybe a little quiet time to get in touch with your soul would be helpful to you, and I'm really not trying to sarcastic when I say that.
posted on October 2, 2004 07:10:05 PM new
katrinka3254, its nice to read smart and to the point comments from a compassionate person. Keep up you good work.
posted on October 2, 2004 07:24:06 PM new
katrinka3254, if it was so horrifing for you why dont you declare them as your enemy?If your neighbor attacked your house unprovoked, would you have "empathy" with/for them??????
Sounds like you like quotes from the bible. How about this one: "you are either for me, or against me." You either believe it or your dont, thats what that means. "Or, man cannot serve two Gods." If you're going on a strictly biblical sense, there's no inbetween,no grey area to fall into.
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ed to add: You mean like yours cf? The SAME ones you drag from thread to thread? Havent read it yet...scroll right past it.
at least Linda changes her's for a new day.
[ edited by neroter12 on Oct 2, 2004 07:26 PM ]
posted on October 2, 2004 07:31:27 PM new
Elvis is leaving the auditorium for the night.
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.. Go'wan and row yer boat. And try to do it merrily, merrily, cause this life IS but a dream...
posted on October 2, 2004 07:36:50 PM new
nerotic, Here you are slobbering all over linda again...pretty pathetic.
NO, linda has never posted anything new.
And I post the long post listing bush's flip flopping ONLY when some brain dead moron like bear or linda mention anything about kerry flip-flopping and I will continue to do so.
But with your superior knowledge of the private lives of the posters here you should really get your own TV show or something...gosh, you're so smart and just KNOW about everyone and everything....I am so impressed with your psychic powers ........I really think you shpould cash in on it or at least help the police find lost children or murderers or lost dogs or something!
[ edited by crowfarm on Oct 3, 2004 07:54 AM ]
posted on October 2, 2004 07:43:27 PM newThen youre pounding the keyboard in every thread with your hen feathers all all fluckered and bristled.
Excuse me, neroter12 but I am hardly on any of the threads here nowadays. Check the list of topics and come back and tell me if you see me in every thread. I believe I only posted a comment to a couple of other threads all week as I was seldom here this week. In this topic I posted to correct wrong information that Linda_k had posted about Canada and Germany.
posted on October 2, 2004 07:48:39 PM new
nerotic , why do you always contradict yourself ....even in the same post ???!!!!!
"""I'd say there's alot of projection going on this board. For a bunch of people who dont even know each other in real life...an awful lot of sh** is strewn to the wind on personal criticisms here. Then of course, there's that nickel and dime psychology cf tries to employ. "I'm better than you because I never make a spelling error or a typo!" ..."My daddy can beat up your daddy"... nah,na,na-nah ::eyeroll::""
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posted on October 2, 2004 09:44:26 PM new
neroter12- "katrinka3254, if it was so horrifing for you why dont you declare them as your enemy?If your neighbor attacked your house unprovoked, would you have "empathy" with/for them??????"
Huh!?!! Now I know I'm in a parallel universe.- What are you talking about-"declare them my enemy"? But, if you think it will help- I declare them MY Enemy! I guess we're all safe now, wow what a relief!!- and to think that's all it took, I could kick myself for not doing it sooner. So I owe the rest of you Christian, God fearing Americans an apology, except that you don't have a clue what it means to be an American or a Christian for that matter. You may want to go back and study your or American history again. You may also want to go back to your beloved Bible and pay close attention to what our Saviour Jesus Christ had to say- if you are a Christian, Christ's message to us from God is the only part of the Bible that is truly relevant. I don't know, maybe I missed something, but I don't recall God's wish for us was to be mean-spirited, hateful people! Oh my and you just know how Jesus would've loved preemptive war!! I'm sure he'd be tickled pink at the sheer prospect of man's humanity to man being answered in kind!! I am proud to be liberal in my thinking, a Christian in my soul and a hard-core American my heart-
The first of my ancestors to immigrate to this country did so in 1663- why do you think he would be brave enough to get on some rickety boat to God knows where? - Because he wanted to be able to practice the religion of his choice without being persecuted for it, that is how strong his conviction was. I know this makes me a bit of a snob, but because of him and his courageousness, I feel I inherently know the principles this country was founded upon. Here's a little history lesson that will take little work on your part- i.e. you don't have to do any taxing research, all you have to to do is a little reading- Ready?...
CONSTITUTION:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. TRANSLATION: IT IS OUR DUTY AS AMERICANS TO VOICE OUR DISSENT WHEN WE DISAGREE WITH THE ACTIONS OF OUR GOVERNMENT. See for THE PEOPLE AND by THE PEOPLE above-
BILL OF RIGHTS:
THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or "abuse" (emphasis on abuse is mine) of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
This is for Linda_K-
Please see "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"- above.
This is the inalienable right as an American citizen John Kerry exercised when he spoke out against the Viet Nam war (since my oldest brother is- a West point graduate of the class of '66, did two tours of duty in Vietnam, has a purple heart and after he put 20 years of his life in the military serving his country, he retired as a Colonel and became a self made millionaire- oh and by the way, by your definition, god forbid he's a LIBERAL! and a very good friend of Wes Clark's to boot- so when I talk about Viet Nam I have some personal experience to base my opinion on.)
This little ditty you put at the end of your posts is not even close to what he did:
AMENDMENT XIV
Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
I really don't understand how anyone could construe his actions as being "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof". It's those people that twist someone exercising his rights (laid out clearly in the first amendment no less) into someone rebelling against his country or giving aid or comfort to the enemy that make me want to say to them "please take the time to understand what it means to be an American, if you find that simple task impossible, you may want to think about renouncing your citizenship in the "America" you proclaim to be such a "patriot" of- in order to protect it from ruin!!
posted on October 2, 2004 10:08:46 PM new
[i]This is for Linda_K-
Please see "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"- above[/i].
LOL - No one said they don't have the 'right' to do so. What's being stated is the consequences of their doing so. Which is our enemies winning and us losing...you know...the liberal way. Read a little about how the VN vets feel about kerry's 1971 betrayal...read a little about how the POWs and the families of MIAs feel about kerry's betrayal. And many like myself who feel exactly the say way about him. He was a traitor to our country. He aided and abetted our enemies...he was HONORED for doing so. YOU be REAL proud of him....I think he should have been tried for treason because of his actions.
And LOOK!!! What did kerry say in the debate? He wants to GIVE Iran what they're asking for. No idiot, after what we experienced with the N. Korean's actions/promises...would want to repeat that with Iran. BUT kerry does. Be proud...he'll help them out. Maybe they're one of the allies he speaks of that he'll get to join us in the war on terror.
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I really don't understand how anyone could construe his actions as being "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof".
Of course not. Liberals don't see the consequences of their decisions on foreign policy. They don't see their failures...what they tried and how they failed. And how they don't want to take action against our enemies...they just want to talk it out. Peace at all costs. Nope....
that make me want to say to them "please take the time to understand what it means to be an American Right...if anyone doesn't think the same way a liberal does...then they don't know what it means to be an American. How very funny.
if you find that simple task impossible, you may want to think about renouncing your citizenship in the "America" you proclaim to be such a "patriot" of- in order to protect it from ruin!!
I feel the same way about socialists, progressives, ultra liberals and liberals.
The ONLY way this country could EVER be ruined is for an ultra-liberal, traitor like kerry to get into our highest office. That would be a crime if there ever was one.
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As for the success of Kerry's anti-democracy protests and his leadership of the VVAW and association with Fonda's Winter Soldier Investigation, General Vo Nguyen Giap, Vietnam's most decorated military leader, wrote in retrospect that if not for the disunity created by such stateside protesters, Hanoi would have ultimately surrendered.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, which states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington
posted on October 2, 2004 10:13:36 PM new
Here's kerry now...at the debate...willing to help our enemies out again. Yeah, great president he'd make...lets help them catch up to N. Korea.
Kerry still would provide nuclear fuel to Iran Stated in the debate.
No thank you...I'll stick with a President who's on OUR side.
As for the success of Kerry's anti-democracy protests and his leadership of the VVAW and association with Fonda's Winter Soldier Investigation, General Vo Nguyen Giap, Vietnam's most decorated military leader, wrote in retrospect that if not for the disunity created by such stateside protesters, Hanoi would have ultimately surrendered.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, which states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington
posted on October 2, 2004 10:22:14 PM new
Here's the enemy kerry wants to help out. Maybe he's not a Catholic after all, especially since he doesn't follow their teachings....maybe he's really a Muslim.
So if kerry helps them out...they just might reach their goal. Then the liberals will be happy. We'll be equal.
Well, no we really won't be equal because kerry also wants us to get rid of OUR nuclear weapons AND stop spending money on our missile defense system that would be used to stop those same missiles from hitting us.
But who cares? The liberals are great talkers....they're convince the Mullah's in Iran we're really nice people who only want peace.
As for the success of Kerry's anti-democracy protests and his leadership of the VVAW and association with Fonda's Winter Soldier Investigation, General Vo Nguyen Giap, Vietnam's most decorated military leader, wrote in retrospect that if not for the disunity created by such stateside protesters, Hanoi would have ultimately surrendered.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, which states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington
posted on October 2, 2004 11:23:20 PM new
Linda_K- Lady I feel sorry for you. You'll
never get it and you will continue to be an
angry, unhappy person. It seems clear to
me, that you refuse to even ponder any
opinion that isn't based on the hate and
ugliness your ilk seems compelled to spew.
I am going to choose not to interact with
you any futher because doing so weighs my spirit down and frankly you're not worth it! But, I will continue to pay attention, as I think all of the like minded people on this board should do, because the more I listen to you and those whose mantra you mindlessly & blindly follow, the more I realize you are more than just an annoyance. The more ignorance spewed by you folks, the more dangerous this world becomes and I for one am not going sit by quietly- we "liberals", when push comes to shove, will fight with all our might for what we know is right- It's a foolish notion to believe that kindness equals weakness- we "liberals" have
something you'll never understand- the courage of our convictions" the strength of which would "shock & awe" you right out of your shoes-
BELIEVE IT-
You have a good day now!
[ edited by katrinka3254 on Oct 2, 2004 11:25 PM ]
posted on October 3, 2004 05:47:30 AM new foolish notion to believe that kindness equals weakness
Not hardly... liberals live in a utopian world that just doesn't exist...liberals idea of "fighting" is after they get all their buddies on board to say it is ok, then ponder how best to be nice... all the while good people are dying...
posted on October 3, 2004 06:06:43 AM new
Twelve says,"Not hardly... liberals live in a utopian world that just doesn't exist...liberals idea of "fighting" is after they get all their buddies on board to say it is ok, then ponder how best to be nice... all the while good people are dying..."
Twelve, You have SO got it backwards...it's you neocons who live in your own Utopian coccoon and think the world is just fine!
Neocons like bush haven't the brains, like the school bully , to work things out intelligentlly....they only know how to rule by fear and aggression,,.cave-man style.
Twelve, I know you're brain dead stupid but even you and linduh should have you noticed since bush attacked Iraq...
You have made a wise choice, Katrinka. As you can see, Linda_K tosses rational thought and truth right out the window as she relies on fanatical, uncompromising and unconditional support for George Bush. An analogy might be the wisdom of having a debate with a two year old having a screaming trantrum over the purchase of a candy bar.
posted on October 3, 2004 07:58:21 AM new
nerotic says, ""I'd say there's alot of projection going on this board. For a bunch of people who dont even know each other in real life...an awful lot of sh** is strewn to the wind on personal criticisms here. Then of course, there's that nickel and dime psychology cf tries to employ""
And then her fevered brain posts,
"Maybe you need some rest, Kiara. There is no 'there' here. Anyone can read an entire thread from yesterday, three weeks ago, whatever...and they are 'there' reading it as it happened, because its in print. It's not like 'there' is a physical place, ok?
I posted to this because I read it - and I understood it. Many times it has been stated this is a public message board and anyone can post to anything here. [Like you almost always post your two cents when messages are not directed to you, either...}
You guys just like to try to dominate with personal criticism’s because that is what makes you feel good and what makes you tick. That is plain as day to me. And Linda, because she has her own opinions that are vastly different than yours, is the favorite cornfeed for pick n' tick hen-peckers. Then youre pounding the keyboard in every thread with your hen feathers all all fluckered and bristled. And even then, you want to blame it on somebody .. escalating out of hand ... Seems to me youre the one doing the escalating. Linda posted it to helen and like one of a zillion other zing posts here - it comes and goes between the two of them daily. You're the one who hangs on every word here and thats your demon to deal with, Kiara, nobody else's."
neroter, again, quit contradicting yourself so much, ya look so silly!
Neroter says, re..linda and I..."it comes and goes between the two of them daily." .
Neroter, I understand that you see the zingers as standard operating procedure between Linda and me. I admire your intelligence but not your allegiance to Linda of course. Although I don't agree always with your political viewpoint, I've noticed that your political comments are well written and well considered and that you take the time to read links offered where most here just ignore them. In other words, I believe that you are the most able representative of the Republican viewpoint that I can see on this board today. Now, I would like to ask you to observe the exchanges between Linda and me just to see who begins the personal insults. For linda, I believe that it's a defensive tactic that is failing to work. Her problem along that line is that I can zing better than she can -- in other words, I can give better than I receive. So....check it out and you will find that linda is not the poor mistreated poster that you have described above.
Crowfarm, Be careful and place quotes or something around those quotes. Otherwise, it may appear to new posters as your ideas.
posted on October 3, 2004 09:00:23 AM new
helen says: Katrinka - You have made a wise choice, Katrinka.
Yes, helen and you have repeatly said almost the same thing many, many times. But you haven't been able to stick to your repeated promises. Maybe Katrinka will set a good example for you - teach you how to make your word mean something.
P.S. Have you mentioned to Katrinka that she shouldn't believe what you say you feel on your posts?
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neroter - Better stay FAR away from the mention of my name/posts. It's a threat to all lefties here, for some reason, and you will most likely pay a heavy price for being objective at ANY time around here when it involves me. But I sure did enjoy your posts, oh-brave-one.
posted on October 3, 2004 09:02:07 AM new
katrinka3254: Your ancestors came over here on a boat, blah blah bla-blah?????? WHAT????? oh brother, I can see you are full of mucho hot air for sure!! So that makes you better than somebody who's parents came over here on a plane, then, huh>? .. go tell that to Gloria Estafan or anybody who easily has as much substance as you do!
What I said about religion cuts immediately to the chase. Something you and your drowning essays seems incapable of capturing. - Who cares about all that junk? Jesus said, you believe me & what I say; or you dont. Principle in a nutshell. imo, its very simple.
Kiara: I stand corrected. You are not in every thread. What I meant was the ones you are posting to, you seem to be dragging that around with you. But it's over already so I really dont care.
Crowfart: Contrary to what you post I am not slobbering over Linda. Unlike you, I uphold real American values; and I will defend her right to have her own opinions. Linda and I would probably be at a crossroads when it comes to many issues and would be walking down seperate roads. However, if you look at her posts she is not insulting people who post here on a personal level like you do. If there is any merit to anything you post it gets so lost in the acid you incase it with - it's virtually useless. But you think you're being cute, so have at it.
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.. Go'wan and row yer boat. And try to do it merrily, merrily, cause this life IS but a dream...
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