posted on October 3, 2004 09:04:29 AM new
No crowfart, we gave the UN many chances... they as usual failed... is this what you want kerry to do, wait on a failed org as the UN to make our security decisions?
I don't think so and many true Amercians will not stand for it.
The President we have now has shown he will do what is best for the US, not what some inept org wanted... they didn't even have the back bone to do what they said... and the oil for food program scandal is still being investigated... UN... what a worthless organization it turned out to be.
posted on October 3, 2004 09:13:14 AM new
I believe the topic and truth was that John Kerry kicked W's butt over and over again. And, to make matters even worse, that so called bounce that GW had after the RNC has been completely obliverated. Still, as times goes by, polls mean nothing. We still have two more Presidential debates and a VP debate. I've seen many conservatives here mention that the VP debate means little to them. The truth is that the VP debate will be the better and closer fought debate than what GW could ever dream of.
October surprise... Scenario 1) Bush pulls Osama out of a hat, and cancels one of the debates. Scenario 2) The USA is attacked, and Bush cancels the election. Scenario 3) Kerry and Toto discover that Carl Rove was behind the curtain controlling GW.
In the end, we still know Kerry kicked GW's butt in the debate.
posted on October 3, 2004 09:16:28 AM newKiara: I stand corrected. You are not in every thread. What I meant was the ones you are posting to, you seem to be dragging that around with you. But it's over already so I really dont care.
Neroter12, if you don't care then stay out of my affairs because it wasn't about you. Remember you recently posted that I don't occupy space in your head and then you took an entire webpage talking about yourself and how you fantasized my life. You started again with that long post last night so don't continue to embarrass yourself.
posted on October 3, 2004 09:21:08 AM new
bite me, kiara. I'll post whatever I want on these boards and WHEN I want even if its in the middle of the night (talk about embarassing yourself!!)
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posted on October 3, 2004 09:30:19 AM newOctober surprise... Scenario 1) Bush pulls Osama out of a hat, and cancels one of the debates. Scenario 2) The USA is attacked, and Bush cancels the election. Scenario 3) Kerry and Toto discover that Carl Rove was behind the curtain controlling GW.
I feel scenario number 2 is the most likey to happen given what happened in Spain. As bad as this is going to sound I am hoping there is another small scale attack just to prove Bush was wrong when he said vote for Kerry and America will be attacked again. American will then surely see Bush can do nothing to prevent another attack.
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Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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posted on October 3, 2004 09:39:44 AM new
rusty says: I've seen many conservatives here mention that the VP debate means little to them.
MANY??? We don't even have many conservatives who post here. I'd sure be interested in knowing who said the above...'cause I must have missed it.
On the October surprise - What in the world are the dems so fearful of? They just stew and stew about this 'surprise'. Maybe it's their own feeling of guilt since they pulled that DUI out of their hat immediately preceding the 2000 election - to hopefully affect the election results. Guilt tends to do that....one gets paranoid if they've done something themselves - like the dems did...that a possible payback may be forthcoming.
And on the election being cancelled or posponed....our Congress already made a decision in regards to that continued dem scare.
posted on October 3, 2004 10:00:03 AM new
Linda- funny for you to bring up the DUI. you act as if the Republicans don't throw mud as well. As I have said repeatedly, they all do it. Let's see... Republicans throw swiftboat lies, Republicans squandored how many millions over Clinton's blowjob. Republicans attacked Clinton for smoking some pot, yet they weren't very bashful to support a cokehead and a drunk. Hmmm. Go figure... Guilt? Nobody feels any guilt regarding GW's DUI. Not even GW himself. In fact, I am sure he felt that wasn'at a mistake, or snorting all that coke in college was a mistake. Before you get your panties in a wad and attack the Democrats, think ahead of what your own party has done. They both do it, and realizing that will help you see more clearly.
Logan- to wish an attack upon our land to prove the president wrong to me is a bit backwards. i wish no ills for this country. i do believe we have alot of repair work ahead, and i do believe GW is the wrong man to do it, simply because he thinks there are none.
Scenario 4) George loses each debate by a wider margin than the previous one. Dick Cheney pulls out a slim victory over Edwards, but nobody cares about the VP debates and it gets minimal coverage. Not even the conservatives realize they won the VP debate. They realize their VP debate victory after Bush returns from his 30 day vacation in Crawford, haggard from doing too many rails with Willie Nelson.
posted on October 3, 2004 10:21:48 AM new
twelve, what makes you believe that please? I've read so many conflicting reports....some say he's hiding in Syria, some say he's safe in the AQ camp in Pakistan...some say we don't know where he is. Is that just wishful thinking on your part [as it would be on mine] or do you know something I haven't read?
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rusty - I see you didn't answer my question on which conservatives here have said that. Is there a reason you don't wish to answer it?
And yes, agreed, both sides throw mud....but in 2000 the dems waited until the week before the elections to drop their bomb. Again, I believe that's why they're so worried about 'what's coming' their way.
And in answer to your question on how much did clinton's blow job cost...it was $4.4 million. Well worth impeaching a president who stuck his finger out at our nation and said he didn't have sex with that woman. Not because of the BJ, but rather for lying to this Nation, lying under oath, trying to restrict an American's right to a trial - any CEO would have been FIRED for the same thing[b], [b]obstruction of justice, lying to EVERYONE, including his own supporters/staff who defended his character to the public.
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What did we get for this $39 million? Over 15 major convictions including a governor and a dozen of Clinton's closest friends, the 2nd impeachment of a president in history, a contempt of court charge found against that president for lying under oath, and justice brought to the most corrupt president in the history of the United States.
Within a few days of turning over the Lewinsky report, Kenneth Starr gave a financial breakdown of the independent counsel investigation of Bill Clinton for the Lewinsky matter. The cost: only $4.4 million! All along democrats have portrayed costs at three and four times this number! Strange that few ever attack their credibility when they often cite distorted statistics pulled out of their heads.
Notice that Clinton sympathizers will NOT tell you where the $40 million or $50 million or $60 million statistic came from because the true number is significantly less than the number that Clinton sympathizers want YOU to believe. How can we believe them if they can't even decide on $40, $50, or $60 million? The true statistics come from the very people who control the investigation: Congress, the Independent Counsel, and the Justice department - not a the news media or Clinton defenders!
Most of the money that has been spent is a result to stonewalling from the administration. Countless delays and refusals to turn over subpoenaed documents have led to increased costs. Clinton lawyers have also attempted to build legal barriers to prevent the investigation from taking its due course.
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Did that answer your question?
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Republicans throw swiftboat lies
Nope...wrong again. They're a mix of dems, rep and independents....read their OWN statements....they tell their OWN party lines. And they say this is NOT in support of President Bush...but rather it's an issue between them VN VETS against kerry...for their OWN personal reasons. Not connected to the republican national party at all.
Boy....all the mistatements the lefties make....maybe that's why they're voting for kerry.....they don't know many of the facts...just what they've been told by the anti-Bush crowd. How sad...get informed.
posted on October 3, 2004 10:53:59 AM new
I realize full well that some of you think I'm interfering when I step in to correct misinformation because it upsets your daily chant. So be it. Trai also corrected that misinformation.
Twelvepole, you and neroter12 are much alike and you work in tandem. Part of your time is spent with your nose in my affairs and the rest of the time you have it stuck up linda_k's butt.
Anyways, it's a beautiful day and we're going 4X4ing up in the hills for awhile because we want to do some target practice. I may need it just in case the terrorists really come to MY house.
BTW, in this election don't discount the youth vote. Many of them are blogging now and are very aware of what is going on in their country and now realize that their vote counts.
posted on October 3, 2004 11:05:39 AM new
Linda- I simply don't have the time to go through thread after thread searching for every statement made by the neocons. I leave that up to you and your cut and pasting you enjoy so much. You know your neo-con friends have said it. I am sure some of them can easily admit to stating that. I'm not here to argue with your little jabs. I'm here to continue this thread, which by the way, you have managed to take off subject so many times.
Kerry kicked GW's butt on Thursday, and he will do it again on Friday, that is if GW doesn't find an excuse to cancel it.
posted on October 3, 2004 11:10:13 AM new
OKAY!! [b]Where are all our board's psychologists and psychiatrists when we truly need them?
Who needs a break? Who needs a rest? Who needs some 'help'? I'm sure it isn't any democrat, no matter WHAT outrageous statement they make.
logansdad says: I feel scenario number 2 is the most likey to happen given what happened in Spain. As bad as this is going to sound I am hoping there is another small scale attack just to prove Bush was wrong when he said vote for Kerry and America will be attacked again. American will then surely see Bush can do nothing to prevent another attack.
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GREAT, one poster who is hopeful no allies help us [paraphrasing here] and another who hopes we get bombed again..just a little bomb to prove a point he things is so important. Forget about the lives that would be taken. Forget about the destruction. Forget about the major FEAR that would cause our own citizens. No... LET'S PROVE A POINT AT THE EXPENSE OF AMERICAN LIVES.
Now those are TRUE patriots if I've ever seen any. And both statements coming from lefties/liberals/supporter of their country??? Yea...right....NOT!!!
posted on October 3, 2004 11:21:25 AM new
rusty - Oh...I see. You make false accusations...I answer to them...and I'm the one taking the thread off topic. If you look back....others have to. To call only me on it makes you look pretty silly.
And NO, I haven't seen anybody say anything about the VP debates not being important. That's why I asked you about what you stated. But obviously you can't/won't back up that statement either. figures....It's only expected of one side...the right.
posted on October 3, 2004 11:23:32 AM new
Once again Linda, you have made another poor assumption based on only what you want to read. "LET'S PROVE A POINT AT THE EXPENSE OF AMERICAN LIVES. "
I do not believe Logan said another attack would cause American lives. No, to the contrary he said a "small scale attack". Your assumption that all attacks cause casualties prove the point that you are nothing more than a fear monger.
I do not agree with his ideology on that statement, but you once again have taken someone's words and spun them to make your point, which in my opinion is a bold faced lie, and if I remember correctly, you said you don't lie. So, that makes at least two lies.
posted on October 3, 2004 11:27:18 AM new
Linda, you are a complete moron if you think that the neocons do enough fact checking. If you want to go back through the threads and find it for yourself, be my guest. Its there. I don't need to look for it. You enjoy cutting and pasting so much, and you haven't had much fodder to do it lately, so be my guest. Many posters have asked you to prove your points, and it is well noted that you can't. I don't have to lie to make my point. You obviously do (see above).
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posted on October 3, 2004 11:49:42 AM new
Oh boy....here comes the name calling when he's asked to do what others here are asked to do....support their claims/statements.
And here's the direct quote from rusty - who claims to be a patriot.
If America continues on this tract, whether Bush is elected or Kerry is elected, [b]I would hope that no country would help us out.
I guess my question would be at what point when one holds a view like those stated by rusty and logansdad....are we allowed to make the judgement they're NOT on our side??? Because it sure appears to me they're working AGAINST our country...not FOR/WITH our country.
posted on October 3, 2004 12:00:53 PM new
...Part of your time is spent with your nose in my affairs .....
What a laugh! I wouldnt be caught dead in your "affairs." This is a community message board, ya dingled-berried brain dork. In the world of intellectual debating, you are a cheap-shot, below-the-belt sneakyazz, lightweight jabber. Thats it. The threads you spin are weaker than those of the spiders you so fear. To say I am in tandem with twelve is utterly laughable! But at least unlike you, when I purport not to hold a grudge, I really do not ...
Maggie: the dingled-berried brain dork comment, is just for you lol!!!
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posted on October 3, 2004 12:04:17 PM new
I think that Linda, because I believe they are waiting for them, Al Queda, to relax because they will believe we are focused on the election and not what is at hand....
He will underestimate our will to capture him.
Of course kerry telling him he's winning does help a bit...
posted on October 3, 2004 12:20:54 PM new
Linda- you know exactly what I meant by that statement. Now you want to twist it. I wouldn't want someone to defend me if I was wrong. I would expect a friend to tell me that I was wrong and that they couldn't defend me because of it.
So, let's turn the table here Linda and see how you would answer this question. When the Nazi's were wrong in their assement in global domination, and say, you were a friend of Germany, would you have helped them out, even if you knew they were wrong, or would you had the decency to say, "thanks, but no thanks" and either walk away or tell them they are wrong?
posted on October 3, 2004 12:22:29 PM new
Well, I pray you're right, twelve. Even though I really believe that catching binladen isn't the most important issue on our plate. I think their new leader [sp, of course ] Alzawari is the one we need to get a hold of.
And while getting binlanden would be a great feather in the President's hat...and might get him more votes....I see the dems doing just what they did when we caught saddam...'it's no big deal', 'we're no safer now that he's been caught' etc. Discounting it altogether just like they did then.
posted on October 3, 2004 12:30:53 PM new
Linda- you amaze me. ok. let's see. hmmm. It seems pretty un-American to me to think that the mastermind behind the largest attack on American soil, the individual who took over 3000 lives on our soil, the man who has created the largest, most active terrorist organization in the world is not the most important issue on our plate.
You should be pretty proud of that statement. I would dare you to say that to one family who lost a life in that attack. Pretty insensitive of you Linda.
posted on October 3, 2004 12:31:37 PM new
rusty - The way the 'game' here works is that both participants ask and answer questions, alternating. I don't like playing where only one asks questions and expects answer to their question(s) and the other is expected to do both. When you answer my quesion I'll be more than happy to answer yours.
You've said you're a progressive. I believe that, because your statement that no matter who is elected it is your hope that we get no allied help. That pretty much says all we need to know.
posted on October 3, 2004 12:41:33 PM newNo crowfart, we gave the UN many chances... they as usual failed... is this what you want kerry to do, wait on a failed org as the UN to make our security decisions?
The world waits decades for Israel to comply with UN mandates, why not Iraq.
Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.
Iraq was a Stalinist style dictatorship diametrically opposit to radical fundementalist Islam.
There is no way to "win" in Iraq.
There was no valid reason to attack Iraq while we are at war with the 9-11 terrorists.
posted on October 3, 2004 12:42:33 PM new
Just as I thought. The real Linda has proven her worth once again. I know she can't answer a question. I believe my question is based on your opinion, while your question requires the to sift through hundreds and hundreds of comments to find comments made by some conservatives here who simply claimed that they were either not going to watch the VP debate or didn't think it meant much.
You behave like your good old buddy GW. Can't answer questions that really matter. I knew you wouldn't participate because it simply shows the true nature of humanity. You would do what everyone else would have done. Its ok to admit what we all know Linda. Its ok to have a soft side every now and then and admit that you took someone's statement out of context. It happens.
] Alzawari is the one we need to get a hold of.
