posted on October 13, 2004 09:26:53 PM new
twelve - I think it's only cf that thinks we're one in the same. But you're right...only a couple have been willing to tell her differently.
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That is YOUR problem helen. And it doesn't surprise me one bit that you'd stand up for allowing the continuation of vulgar sexual statements being made to me. No surprise at all. It very much speaks to your own lack of decency.
posted on October 14, 2004 06:08:57 AM new *I* said to Twelvepole,
"But I have to admit that I have a strong aversion to snitches. I believe that we should handle our own problems with other posters. Being a snitch is childish like being a tattle tale in elementary school."
Linda YOU said in response,
"That is YOUR problem helen. And it doesn't surprise me one bit that you'd stand up for allowing the continuation of vulgar sexual statements being made to me. No surprise at all. It very much speaks to your own lack of decency."
I have NOT excused either your statement to logansdad or his to you. NOWHERE will you find that I have "stood up for allowing the continuation of vulgar sexual statements". THAT IS A LIE, LINDA. I have advocated instead that you handle your own problems as you have said, take them on your sholders and handle them rather than compounding your problem by becoming a Vendio snitch. I have suggested that one good way would be to avoid sexual threads in which it is obvious that vulgar comments are made EVERY DAY by other posters besides such nasty sexual statements between you and logansdad. It is not just your problem. It's everyone's problem EVERY DAY to either read this tripe or not.
So you use my well intended advice to accuse me of having lack of decency. That, Linda speaks volumes about your nasty, mean spirited propensity to use such obvious insinuation to lie and cast foul aspersions about my good character.
posted on October 14, 2004 06:24:43 AM newBe clear....it wasn't a threat...it was a warning...and a promise if it happens again. Vendio does have community guidelines and you've gone WAY over the line....twice now.
Whatever Linda LOL
Yeah way over the line for casting stereotypes of what goes on in the South.
But once again it is OK for you use stereotypes to your own advantage but it is wrong for others to do it. The Republican Creed do as I say not as I do.
Now go back to your church and pray some more so your village can find it's idiot once again.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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On This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "the area… that coalition forces control… happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
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posted on October 14, 2004 06:30:00 AM newLOL only playing with the big boys logansdad does is dropping to his knees...
Twelve but I am sure you enjoy being on your back, with your legs up in the air like the mangy animal that you are.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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On This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "the area… that coalition forces control… happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
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posted on October 14, 2004 08:53:14 AM new
helen said: NOWHERE will you find that I have "stood up for allowing the continuation of vulgar sexual statements".
Well...I just see your actions much differently than you do, helen. [surprise, surprise]
I didn't notice you offering advice to logansdad on how he could prevent this in the future, like you gave to me.
I didn't notice you telling him that he could have avoided 'this problem' if HE changed the way he interacted/posted with/to me.
No, you haven chosen to chastise my warning to him rather than chastise his offensive sexual statements about my son and I. I'm sure you would have found his words to me offensive IF he had said the same about your husband and your daughter, just like you did when what you call the 'tit-for-tat' was going on between you and the poster who mentioned your drinking. You say that upset you because it wasn't true. Appeared to me you quickly overlooked how logansdad's statements about the sexual behavior between me and my son, might be. But somehow because it's me....it's a different ballgame.
You've gone on and on and on now about how you feel about 'snitches'...chastising my warming to him....but you have chosen not to give the same 'advice' to logansdad. I see that as being a very clear lack of your personal decency code. A very twisted view, imo, when my warning upsets you MORE THAN his comments did.
What you also fail to comprehend, helen, is that it will be logansdad's FUTURE actions that will be the determining factor in whether or not I report his continuing vulgar statements to me. Not my actions. Get it now?
posted on October 14, 2004 09:08:58 AM new
Linda get over it already, you do (or fail to do) the same thing that you think Helen should be doing.
When have you ever criticized Bear, twelve, yellow or parklane for any of their inappropriate comments that were made to me or yeager.
YOU HAVE NOT ONCE DONE SO. So quit telling Helen what she should or should not be doing.
If you can't handle the criticism or stereotypes based on where you live then don't make them against other people. I give based on what I have received. If I keep receiving those types of comments my reponses will be equally if not more crude.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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On This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "the area… that coalition forces control… happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
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posted on October 14, 2004 09:28:33 AM new
Linda, You were flailing about in an attempt to find an answer to problems that you were having dealing with remarks from another poster. Your decision to become a Vendio snitch could affect the entire community since if you will snitch on one poster then you will snitch on every other poster who manages to disturb you. My advice was made with that thought in mind in addition to heaven forbid, the effect that it will have on your character as a poster here. My comment was well intended both to you as good advice and to those who you might manage to have suspended who would not deserve such action.
I see a lot of good posters here who are so offended by your rude comments that they might respond in kind and become a victim of your newly found way to *deal* with people who bother you.
And, in my opinion it's rather hypocritical for you to threaten to snitch when you have delivered comments to me and others that would have resulted in suspension under our previous rules of moderation.
My advice, to avoid those threads that you find offensive is the best solution to your problem. I don't expect anyone here to defend me and I wonder why you expect me to "say something" to others to defend you? Everyone here is able to take care of themselves...I am surprised that you have to resort to such radical means and discussion because someone said something offensive to you.
You need to chill out and choose your battles more carefully. If you don't want to hear sexual remarks, don't go there. It's that simple.
posted on October 14, 2004 09:41:51 AM new
Linda.. first let me begin by saying, that I found Logan's comment about you and your son, ugly and tasteless.
Logan's has taken more abuse than any other poster on this board, because of his homosexuality.
He has been called everything from a pervert to a pedophile. He has suffered comments from Twelve and others accusing him of having sexual relations with his own son.. and of being a member of NAMBLA...
I am not making any excuses for what he has said about you, but I can see a double standard here.
I read where you accuse Helen, of standing up for vulgar, sexual statements and you are offended that she doesn't renounce Logan for his vulgarity..... may, I remind you, Linda, that you have done the same thing time and again, when Twelve has made these same vulgar sexual comments about Logan..
virtually the same comment.. implying that he is having sex with his own son... you never said one word about that, now did you..
Which allowed all here, to believe that you agreed with him... so my dear.. your feelings have been hurt by this ugly remark, and rightly so, but so have Logan's time and time again...and this is a pot/kettle situation.
Now about your snitching to Vendio... I find it very interesting and revealing... that within the past 4 months two people have ran squealing to Vendio with complaints, both have been Republicans.. Twelve and Libra.. are you going to be the third? Why is it only the Republicans on this board need to take their problems to the boss, rather than think on their own and fight their own battles? Reminds me of how Republicans don't question Bush's word and would never dare to use their own brains to think on their own.
posted on October 14, 2004 10:39:42 AM new
maggie says:
Linda..first let me begin by saying, that I found Logan's comment about you and your son, ugly and tasteless.
We agree on that.
Logan's has taken more abuse than any other poster on this board, because of his homosexuality.
Here we go...defending his actions...because of what he's had to endure. Well, please get this straight...not by me. And that's what this is about. I am only responsible for my own postings and behavior...not that of others.
I am not making any excuses for what he has said about you, but I can see a double standard here. I don't. What I see is that the continuing sexual comments are now being directed my way, by both logansdad and crowfarm. And I intend to put a stop to them.
I read where you accuse Helen, of standing up for vulgar, sexual statements and you are offended that she doesn't renounce Logan for his vulgarity.....
You're seeing incorrectly then. I was not asking her to stand up for me....I was pointing out who she chose to chastice ....not logansdad for what he said, but rather me for warning him I have no intention of this behavior continuing towards me. I'm drawing my line of what is acceptable TO ME and what is not.
may, I remind you, Linda, that you have done the same thing time and again, when Twelve has made these same vulgar sexual comments about Logan.. That is totally incorrect. I don't get in the middle of their comments or disputes with one another....as helen just did.
Which allowed all here, to believe that you agreed with him...so my dear..
So now we're back into the crystal ball reading you lefties are so good at doing. I could make up all kinds of false statements about what others here think ....but that would be me GUESSING rather than communicating and asking to be sure before I make any FALSE ASSUMPTIONS about others.
your feelings have been hurt by this ugly remark, and rightly so, but so have Logan's time and time again...and this is a pot/kettle situation.
Again, we just don't agree at all. I have never in my years of posting here EVER spoken like logansdad did to me, to ANYONE. NEVER...
Now about your snitching to Vendio...I find it very interesting and revealing...that within the past 4 months two people have ran squealing to Vendio with complaints, both have been Republicans..
You've obviously missed, and maybe even excused, that was because of behaviors that the dems were displaying towards them, while violating the community guidelines. You certainly aren't expecting a kerry supporter to say anything as nasty or to harass another dem.
are you going to be the third?
As I've already stated...that totally depends on whether logansdad takes my warning seriously or doesn't. It will be HIS actions that determine what I do.
Why is it only the Republicans on this board need to take their problems to the boss, rather than think on their own and fight their own battles?
Gee, maybe just like slander and libel laws are used against people who damage the reputation of another. There are limits that shouldn't be crossed over. Imo, this is one for me.
And it's really funny to hear all excuse just why logansdad acted as he did. It's that liberal thinking that 'if it feels good - do it'.
posted on October 14, 2004 10:56:13 AM new
Linda, you chose to interpret my post as a personal attack on yourself.. it was not intended that way. I was not defending Logan's remark to you, I was pointing out the fact that you do not protest Twelve or other's ugly and hateful remarks to Logan, the same way you accuse Helen of not protesting Logan's remarks to you.
I happen to agree with you that this kind of remark is crossing the line..but by not protesting these same remarks made by posters that you align yourself with..are you not just as guilty? Maggie
posted on October 14, 2004 11:16:21 AM newlogansdad - Stuff it.
Come on Linda why don't you just say what is really on your mind. I am man enough to take it without having to run to Vendio to snitch.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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On This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "the area… that coalition forces control… happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
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posted on October 14, 2004 11:35:28 AM new
Sure it's a double standard Linda. It's OK for 'your people' to call us ilk, whores, cun*s, and continuously put down the gay people on this board, yet if someone like Logan has had enough and spews it right back, he's bad. Ratting isn't going to help because we've all been guilty of bad taste. And I'm not trying to be a dink, but I think if you have limits on what you'll put up with on a discussion board, you won't last long - at least emotionally. Just my opinion.
posted on October 14, 2004 11:55:58 AM new
linda said, "You're seeing incorrectly then. I was not asking her to stand up for me....I was pointing out who she chose to chastice ....not logansdad for what he said, but rather me for warning him I have no intention of this behavior continuing towards me. I'm drawing my line of what is acceptable TO ME and what is not"
Linda, I chose to "chastise" NOBODY. I offered YOU some advice which you have chosen to ignore. If you continue to aggravate and insult Logansdad, or me or anybody here, we will respond. You can rely on that!
You are becoming a PITA that nobody wants to deal with. Do you understand that?
posted on October 14, 2004 12:58:52 PM new
Well, Linda, I gotta tell ya, Helen knows alllll about being a PITA. If she says you are a PITA to her and the plugandsocket challenged it must be true.
posted on October 14, 2004 01:24:38 PM new
maggie - Linda, you chose to interpret my post as a personal attack on yourself..it was not intended that way.
No I didn't maggie...I'm just communicating with you on what you said...I didn't interpret it that way at all. I just don't agree with how you see this.
I was not defending Logan's remark to you, I was pointing out the fact that you do not protest Twelve or other's ugly and hateful remarks to Logan, the same way you accuse Helen of not protesting Logan's remarks to you.
I don't know how to spell it out any differently than I've done. I did not expect anyone to come to my 'aid'.....I also requested helen keep out of it...to mind her own business...she refused...and I called her on chastising me when she didn't mention logansdads statements at all.
I happen to agree with you that this kind of remark is crossing the line..but by not protesting these same remarks made by posters that you align yourself with..are you not just as guilty?
No, you're just not able to see the difference. This statement was made TO ME. What other's choose to do when someone crosses the line with them, is their choice. I'm not involved. And I think what you're promoting in your above ^^^ statement is asking for me to abide by an 'action' that you don't require of other's here. That's a double standard to me.
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KD - [i]posted on October 14, 2004 11:35:28 AM
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Sure it's a double standard Linda. It's OK for 'your people' to call us ilk, whores, cun*s, and continuously put down the gay people on this board, yet if someone like Logan has had enough and spews it right back, he's bad.
KD - First of all I challenge you to show me where I've ever said it was okay. I never have kraft. I'm just not a controlling person like some here are who are always telling others what they should or shouldn't do. I'm an individual who was grossly insulted, PERSONALLY, by logansdad's statements to me. THAT is why this bothered me now. I don't care what others do between themselves...but I do care when these vicious statements are made to me.
Ratting isn't going to help because we've all been guilty of bad taste. And I'm not trying to be a dink, but I think if you have limits on what you'll put up with on a discussion board, you won't last long - at least emotionally. Just my opinion.
LOL....bad taste, KD? I think this is more that 'bad taste'. I've already lasted years, KD. But I will NOT tolerate that muck being said to me. That should be pretty easy for sensible people to understand.
We all have different limits, KD...and I've reached mine. You decide for yourself what you allow and I'll decide where Linda's line is.
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parklane Trust me, it's been years ago that I quit caring what helen says to me or about me. I wasn't expecting to see the left understand what 'setting limits' is all about. They ususally think 'rules/limits aren't for them...only others.
posted on October 14, 2004 01:36:51 PM new
parklane : plugandsocket challenged
So, a thought crossed your mind? Must have been a long and lonely journey. I hope you did not stay up all night to think that one up.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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On This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "the area… that coalition forces control… happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
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LOL
