posted on October 14, 2004 08:21:45 AM newMention of Gay Daughter a Cheap Trick, Lynne Cheney Says
By Michael Laris
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, October 14, 2004; Page A06
MOON TOWNSHIP, Pa., Oct. 13 --
Lynne V. Cheney, wife of Vice President Cheney, accused John F. Kerry on Wednesday night of "a cheap and tawdry political trick" and said he "is not a good man" after he brought up their daughter's homosexuality at the final presidential debate.
Mary Cheney, one of the vice president's two daughters and an official of the Bush-Cheney campaign, has been open about her lesbian status. The candidates were asked if they believe homosexuality is a choice, and President Bush did not mention Mary Cheney. Then Kerry said, "If you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as."
[partial article]
taken from today's Washington Post
posted on October 14, 2004 08:41:20 AM new
Linda, I really believe that they are being overly sensitive. He did not insult her, he just gave a singular example of someone that everyone knew of that was gay and did it in a non derogatory manner. It's not as if he outed her or brought her name up in a negative manner.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
From the same article that you used, linda......Steven Fisher, communications director of the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest gay and lesbian political organization, said Kerry "was speaking to millions of American families who, like the Cheneys, have gay friends and family members."
What is cheap and tawdry about John Kerry's mention of Mary Cheney? It was brought up in the context of a question of whether or not homosexuality is a choice. There is absolutely no problem unless you feel that homosexuality is something to be ashamed of.
Would there be a problem if Kerry mentioned the fact that a well known daughter was a parapalegic in a discussion about people with disabilities???
Mary Cheney has been very open and public about her sexuality.
posted on October 14, 2004 08:54:14 AM new
Yes linda, your ignorance is showing AGAIN....Cheney's daughter, unlike you, doesn't think it's an insult to be called homosexual.
I thought it was in quite bad taste for bush to remind everyone about his pet Supreme Court judges and how he (or daddy)chooses them by how they vote.
Then linduh says, " But I've read that the extremely rich...like kerry/teresa paid a very tiny amount in taxes compared to their income. Their tax rate, while I can't remember off hand exactly what it was, was surprisingly low. They can afford the tax experts to take advantage of all the loopholes, imo. "
Ignorance and tunnel vision showing again! Amazing!
linduh, do you REALLY think the ultra-rich Theresa Heinz Kerry (whom you're so jealous of) is the ONLY ultra-rich person that got a HUGE tax break under your slobbering hero bush?
No, ALL the ultra-rich did, not just Democrats but Republican ultra-rich, too. A much bigger break % wise than any other income level.
posted on October 14, 2004 09:09:01 AM new
fenix - Sorry, I just don't agree. kerry could have kept that same statement neutral...mentioning no ones name....he could have been vague and just mentioned this is what he heard from many gays/lesbians.
He chose to single her out and use her name as a slap in the face to President Bush. Just as he referred to McCain, twice I believe, as working with him.
With kerry's character, his lifelong 'do anything for political gain' - no matter who it hurts - nope...I'm not buying that for one minute.
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posted on October 14, 2004 09:53:24 AM new
Linda - I love the complaints about the mention of McCain because that one really is a no win situation. I mean if he mentioned the bill that he was working on with McCain and did not mention McCains name then republicicans would fall all over themselves saying that he was trying to grab for himself.
To tell you the truth, I'm encouraged by the fact that no matter how ultra liberal everyone says Kerry is, he is able to work with republican leaders.
Apparently that reminder just galls the hell out of conservatives.
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[ edited by fenix03 on Oct 14, 2004 09:53 AM ]
posted on October 14, 2004 10:42:31 AM new
Bush failed to answer the questions. When posed with direct, fair questions by the debate moderator, the president dodged them completely. He is hiding the ugly truth of his positions.
Bush lied about not saying that he "wasn't that concerned with OBL." Flat out lie.
The conservative punditry all insist Kerry was trying to embarrass the Cheneys by bringing up his daughter in the same sentence with Gay Marriage. They are crying foul in a hysterical way.
Someone ought to tell them there's nothing to be embarrassed about having a gay daughter.
Everyone needs to write the media and tell them there's nothing to be ashamed of.!!
By the way.. did anyone else find President Bush's comment in the Tempe debate as funny as I did? The "need some wood" comment! LOL.. I'm still laughing.. Bush has always reminded me of the Bevis & Butthead duo.. you know he has that same laugh.... huh.huh.huh..
Well when he turned to look at Kerry, with his deer in the headlights look on his face and doing the huh...huh...huh.. laugh, said "need some wood?"... it was like watching Butthead... It cracked me up!!
posted on October 14, 2004 10:50:02 AM new
fenix - I'm encouraged by the fact that no matter how ultra liberal everyone says Kerry is, he is able to work with republican leaders.
LOL....with RINO's like McCain. McCain who the democratic party desperately wanted as kerry's VP. But McCain supports the war effort and couldn't have worked with kerry on National defense issues....because they're too far apart.
Apparently that reminder just galls the hell out of conservatives.
I don't think so as I don't think there are many Republicans that don't realize McCain is a very left leaning republican...a RINO....just like those democrats who are supporting President Bush's re-election because they trust him to defend this Nation...and are unable to do that with kerry, are considered DINO's.
Three very democratic leaders supporting President Bush...along with McCain campaigning for the President.
Doesn't upset me. I think McCain's decision makes clear who he supports.
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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posted on October 14, 2004 10:57:12 AM newBush lied about not saying that he "wasn't that concerned with OBL." Flat out lie.
disagree....totally taken out of the context it was said...and the time frame is totally ignored by those who believe that nonsense.
But, of course, kerry and his supporters want to only take ONE sentence of a question the President had been, at that point in time, asked about at LEAST 50 times.
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"And they, the interrogator went through all of these statements from John Kerry. He starts pounding on the table. 'See here, this naval officer, he admits that you are a criminal.'" Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
- James H. Warner Former Vietnam POW
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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posted on October 14, 2004 10:59:11 AM new
Then, of course, there's kerry's lies.
One being that the President had never met with the National Black Caucus. Not true.
edited to add to my list of kerry lies. And it was the Congressional Black Cacus.
But let's see....more lies.
kerry said the President had cut the Pell Grants - he didn't...he increased them.
kerry said the President had cut 500,000 after school kids out of their program.....NEVER happened.
kerry lied on the number of jobs lost...AGAIN.
kerry claimed American's were making $9,000 less because of President Bush....already had been proven wrong.
And his BIGGEST lie was that his health plan would cover ALL American's. It won't...and it won't even cover 1/2 of those without medical insurance now. At at what cost? kerry really didn't ever answer just how he intended to pay for this. His reversing the tax cut on the 'rich' and small business...isn't going to come anywhere NEAR the amount needed. I believe $1.2 trillion and that's only the beginning...wait until we're paying for the other 1/2 without insurance. Wait until he works to live up to the lie he stated and give medical coverage to "ALL Americans."
tax and spend, tax and spend,
will certainly be back again under kerry....and not just the so called 'rich' either.
posted on October 14, 2004 11:10:11 AM new
And DICK Cheney lied when he said he had never met Edwards before the debate.....a proven lie with witnesses!
So, both sides are capable of lying!
So what!
bush lied and thousands died.
Oh, I forgot, I didn't mean to brighten linduh's day by mentioning all the war dead. Sorry.
posted on October 14, 2004 11:35:56 AM new
:: One being that the President had never met with the National Black Caucus. Not true. ::
Perhaps he should have said "voluntarily". I think what he was reffering to was the fact the Bush turned down every invitation from the Black Caucaus to speak in front of them. He did meet with the one time. for 10 minutes and then it was under duress as members of the Caucus went to the White House to see him since he had refused every invitation and told his reps that they would start a protest at the gates if they were not granted an audience.
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posted on October 14, 2004 11:38:50 AM new
:: At at what cost? kerry really didn't ever answer just how he intended to pay for this::
Linda- he has explained it repeatedly in the past three debates - you just don't want to hear it. We have directed you numerous times to it on his website and yet still you keep saying he does not say how he is going to pay. He explains it Linda, you just keep refusing to hear it.
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posted on October 14, 2004 12:18:26 PM new
fenix - President Bush met with the Congressional Black Caucus twice....and I didn't see any reports on how long the meetings were.
And I have listened to what kerry has said about his health program and it's costs....it's not that I haven't read it. Maybe I should have said to FULLY fund the 1/2 of those not insured, let alone the other half...or ALL American's as he claimed last night.
It's that his numbers to pay for it don't add up to the amount needed to fully fund ONLY 1/2 of the uninsured. There's a large gap between what it will cost and what the savings he thinks he can pay for it with. They don't work out to be enough.
posted on October 14, 2004 12:30:13 PM new
From factcheck.org
Wrong on Osama
Bush stumbled when he denied making some remarks about Osama bin Laden that Kerry had accurately paraphrased. Bush accused Kerry of "one of those exaggerations."
In fact, Bush said almost exactly what Kerry quoted him as saying. It was in a news conference at the White House on March 13, 2002, after US forces had overturned the Taliban regime in Afghanistan:
Q (March 13, 2002): Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? . . .
Bush: So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. . . .
Q: But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?
Bush: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.
posted on October 14, 2004 12:32:50 PM newWrong on Flu Vaccine
It's not true, as Bush claimed, that "we took the right action" in blocking "contaminated" influenza vaccine from entering the US.
Actually, it was the British and not the US that blocked shipment. The British Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, according to an Oct. 6 news release, suspended the license of Chiron Corp., the manufacturer of approximately 50% of the U.S. supply.
In fact, the Bush administration seems to have been caught by surprise when Chiron Corp. notified the US Center for Disease Control Oct. 5 that the company wouldn't be shipping the vaccine due to the British action. The US Food and Drug Administration didn't begin an investigation until five days later, according to an FDA news release .
It's also not clear how much of the vaccine is actually contaminated. The British agency said it suspended Chiron's license because of "concerns of possible microbial contamination." And the FDA news release refers to "findings concerning the contamination of some lots."
posted on October 14, 2004 12:59:28 PM newRINO's like McCain
has anyone noticed that when McCain threw in with Bush, all the rightwinger's hailed him as a fine, upstanding Republican...but if it is mentioned that he doesn't agree with Bush 100% or that he can work across party lines to achieve things he is called a "RINO"?
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posted on October 14, 2004 01:08:29 PM new
Why did he mention an out-in-the-open lesbian affiliated with the opposition party, rather than the clandestine homosexuality of the recently resigned New Jersey Groppenator?
posted on October 14, 2004 01:39:52 PM new
bunni - I'm not sure who you're directing that too, but since I'm the one that mentioned RINO's and DINO's....McCain has always been considered one. That's nothing new. And McCain has supported President Bush on the wars. This isn't something new to have happen. Unlike the three dems who have almost always disagreed with this President's policies, but think the war issue is more important and currently support him fully for that reason alone.
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Yes, parklane, he very well could have. He was making a point.
) is the ONLY ultra-rich person that got a HUGE tax break under your slobbering hero bush?
Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
I think McCain's decision makes clear who he supports.
