gordoyloco
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posted on April 9, 2002 11:13:56 AM new
hi
[ edited by gordoyloco on Apr 9, 2002 07:31 PM ]
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bidsbids
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posted on April 9, 2002 01:47:11 PM new
Who in the world is Mr George Tannous?
All that research and everything and no hint what it is about.
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kodiheglin
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posted on April 9, 2002 05:14:07 PM new
That's the infamous scoundrel "GT" at BidBay/AuctionDiner bidsbids 
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reality1
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posted on April 9, 2002 05:24:20 PM new
I hope GT digs himself a hole so deep with that MLA, that even he won't be able to slither out of it.
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bidsbids
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posted on April 9, 2002 05:34:01 PM new
About a year ago when the AW message boards were a bustling community there was a LOT of BidBay posts and threads. These threads got very heated and the monitors were locking them at a rate much faster than the controversial BidVille threads ( Cuff and Dim .. both take a bow please ). I never read the threads much because they would make a sailor blush and eventually AW banned the very mention of the name BidBay.
These guys are still fighting? Wow! Makes all the BidVille Wars look tame. 
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reality1
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posted on April 9, 2002 05:56:55 PM new
BidsBids
Not this time. You see GT started up a MLM that he is calling MLA.
It's the same thing you were talking about with gordon in this thread.
http://www.auctionwatch.com/mesg/read.html?num=33&thread=23863
I'm not a BB basher nor cheerleader. But some the the sellers on BB/AD are discussing the problems with this MLA thing that GT came up with and are getting NARU as fast as they post a dislike for this scheme.
I saw him do the same thing quite awhile back to Paula and giving@home.
WHY??????
Possible screw loose upstairs is the only thing I can come up with.
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jimhhow
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posted on April 9, 2002 06:16:38 PM new
I don't use AD, I never have. But I do read their boards a bit.
There is a real interesting Q&A thread started by Yvonne, the VP there.
I do believe that these folks may not be a slick as they think they are. for the VP has publicly posted there that the uplines will have ONE top, which is the corporation. But directly under that are three positions occupied by nameless persons, who invested the time and money to plan and start the MLA up. Now She has said that the money will be flowing to the TOP, but that because the corporation is not a living person, (although it is a living entity), the money would not get to anyone in that top position, but the other three would get the money.
At least that was what I was able to understand from the switchbacks and doubletalk.
Anyway, I found it a very interesting thread, as the VP describes a perfect PYRAMID when explaining that scenario.
Also interesting is the tap dancing and double talk regarding a $25.00 monthly fee being charged, or not being charged because that would be illegal, so it was somehow directed to be a "storefront RENT".
That was in response to a request for clarifcation by someone saying that they were having a tough time affording that payment on their disability income with sales being tough.
The whole thing keeps being referred to as some kind of work in progress, as far as what it willl eventually and specifically be.
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if in the end, everyone that pays the $14.95, only ends up with a sales kit and 100 business card. That and a lot of people finding themselves owning storefronts at $25.00 @ month.
It sure sounds like a lot of things are being made up on the fly.
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bidsbids
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posted on April 9, 2002 07:31:34 PM new
One of my very first jobs was as a sheetmetal worker in a hellish factory. There was a big overturn of people so the crafty company owner came up with a 'profit-sharing plan'. It sure sounded good in theory. Someone got a hold of a copy of the legal aspects of the plan and in the fine print it showed that the plan participants were not all equal and that dirty son of a #*!@ owner had installed his wife and kids as 'company officers' and the owner and family got most of the money in the plan while telling us how generous they were.
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YourDesigns
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posted on April 10, 2002 12:03:42 PM new
Apparently GT/AD/BB wants to sue members of Mootropolis.com and the site itself.
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bidsbids
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posted on April 10, 2002 01:10:13 PM new
Sounds like a good reason not to go to Mootropolis.com . Someone is bound to be sued sooner or later on that site.
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kodiheglin
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posted on April 10, 2002 01:26:50 PM new
Sounds like a good reason to fight back. Make them prove it was slander or libel. I'd love to see someone in court arguing that MLM's are pure as driven snow or that the site owners were behaving as respected upstanding members of the online community.
If a lawsuit has been filed, aren't they destroying evidence by deleting entire threads and selected posts on others? I'm not sure, I'm asking.
Kodi
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YourDesigns
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posted on April 10, 2002 01:46:25 PM new
So, bidsbids, you are not a supporter of free speech? I find that IRONIC.
I guess you agree that people should allow extroneous lawsuits?
Not to mention that AuctionCrotch, AuctionWatch, and Mootropolis.com could ALL come into play, not just Moo itself.
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bidsbids
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posted on April 10, 2002 02:50:22 PM new
Avoid all of them but AW. This article got me to thinking on an aBay Outlook forum post.
http://salon.com/tech/feature/2002/04/04/aquatic_plants/index.html
Paddy says she'll take any lawsuit all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary but when the your lawyers start talking about $50K to fight lawsuits I imagine a lot of people lose their lofty ideals.
There are too many looney nuts out there with money to not be careful. Do you ever notice how very careful Dimview is where it posts? That's a smart person and it ( sorry to call you an "it" Dim but I am STILL uncertain to which gender you are ) does not lose control no matter how much it is provoked.
[ edited by bidsbids on Apr 10, 2002 02:52 PM ]
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YourDesigns
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posted on April 10, 2002 03:01:43 PM new
For everyone of THOSE type of posts, there are two of these:
http://www.computeruser.com/news/01/05/21/news3.html
Also, dimview has been known to "lose" it on Mootropolis and even start cyber-screaming. It's all welcome at the Moo.
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RB
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posted on April 10, 2002 03:08:44 PM new
Dim but I am STILL uncertain to which gender you are
Look in the mirror ...
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toollady
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posted on April 10, 2002 03:28:11 PM new
Until GT and Company finish answering the questions posed to them about their MLA/MLM that keeps changing on a daily basis, I wouldn't worry about any slander or libel suits coming down the pipe any time soon.
GT is notorious for his heavy handed tactics, trying to censor anyone who points out the emperor has no clothes. He may control his chat boards, but he has no control over the internet. I'm sure there are boards all over the place discussing his latest wacked out scheme. I very highly doubt he will get to them all.
Bravo to the moo for standing up to GT and company. It was time someone did.
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bidsbids
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posted on April 10, 2002 03:58:02 PM new
RB, I'm uncertain who is stupider, you or Cuff. I'm not DimView. DimView only barely tolerates me.
I loved your question to AuctionCow the other day. You asked them to get rid of the internal email system. Do you ever look at the other side of the coin? The reason that eBay and Yahoo have that same setup is to help possible curtail outside transactions and the lose of revenue. AC might be free now but I'm sure they want the mechanism of slowing outside of AC deals just like the Big Boys. If AC ever gets big, the system is already in place.
No freeloaders circumventing the auction process and avoiding fees.
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YourDesigns
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posted on April 10, 2002 05:57:16 PM new
IT GETS Better! George and Patty are going HEAD-TO-HEAD in a PUBLIC forum. God, it's better than a soap-opera!
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jimhhow
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posted on April 10, 2002 07:25:08 PM new
Damn the Moo is having server problems again. I keep getting a 500 error message. Paty had said it was happening in some areas. If some one in a different area posted a link you think it might work?
And while I'm here, I see that GORDO has edited and deleted their post.
Given GT's histories of posting bounties, intimidation and buying people off, I wonder which this was a case of?
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bidsbids
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posted on April 10, 2002 07:29:07 PM new
I'm not afraid of George. Bring it on Georgie Boy. In fact, I'll say this right now "George is a big fat sissy!"
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YourDesigns
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posted on April 10, 2002 10:47:27 PM new
GT just named Moo, AuctionCrotch, and AuctionWatch.com in a lawsuit.
This person will stop at nothing. Sheesh!
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tomwiii
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posted on April 11, 2002 12:15:35 AM new
AuctionCrotch?
What's up with that? Do people go there and dicker? 
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wabmester
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posted on April 11, 2002 12:22:20 AM new
Seems Tannous is suit happy. Anybody planning to sue him?
[i]
Since the inception of BidBay.com, Mr. George Tannous, its president has sold
common shares owned by him personally to approximately 250 persons for total
proceeds of approximately $1,150,000. The shares sold by Mr. Tannous were
restricted shares and not available for sale without registration except in
transactions not involving any public
offering. It is possible that it could be asserted that the sale of these
shares was part of the offering described above in this section being
conducted by the BidBay.com and subject to the same potential securities
violations as that offering. The proceeds of these sales were retained by Mr.
Tannous for his personal use.
[/i]
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outoftheblue
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posted on April 11, 2002 12:25:30 AM new
I read before the post was removed that at least 100 parties are mentioned in the suit.
Lawsuits like these are just a blatant attempt by small individuals to control the content and dialog on internet message boards. Oh, am I allowed to say that?
From what I've seen it's only small timers that stoop to these tactics. Ebay, Yahoo, PayPal and others have been bashed, trashed, slandered and otherwise pummled on message boards for some time now and have not filed lawsuits to shut people up.
To whom this may concern. If this offends you, tuff, that's what happens in the real world. Get over it! Get a life!
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YourDesigns
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posted on April 11, 2002 10:45:14 AM new
The lawsuit information was not pulled, it is still available. Patty moved it to the AuctionDiner forum for the ENTIRE world to see Mr. Tannous ridiculous behavior.
I wonder what AW has to say about this?
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RB
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posted on April 11, 2002 11:39:37 AM new
dimview ... in fact, I have no problem with the AC email system when browsing or even if a potential buyer wants to ask a seller a question. If you're concerned about buyers making covert deals with sellers, then you should stick to eBay where this is difficult. The non-charging venues have nothing to lose when this occurs, and in fact, it benefits them by making happier sellers.
My problem, and the one that is being fixed, is the system that does not allow direct communicatation between sellers and buyers after the listing has closed and a winning bid has been placed. I believe even eBay allows this.
It seems to me that this is a good feature, especially when a buyer needs to know how much, and where to send the money.
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toollady
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posted on April 11, 2002 11:42:54 AM new
I'm wondering, if by signing up at moo and AC and thus agreeing to the TOS, if GT in turn must file separate suits (if he isn't blowing smoke again) in the appropriate jurisdictions.
For example, if I decided to file suit against AD, suit would have to be filed as follows, per the User Agreement at auctiondiner:
[quote]Any controversy or claim arising out of or relating to this Agreement or AuctionDiner.com services shall be settled by binding arbitration in accordance with the commercial arbitration rules of the American Arbitration Association, at the Los Angeles, California office of the American Arbitration Association[/quote]
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YourDesigns
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posted on April 11, 2002 01:02:27 PM new
Toollady:
My understanding is that Moo and AC are separate and separated when Moo moved to new servers. I don't know the legal structures of either, but I don't think AC is affected or even named in GT's lawsuit.
Otherwise, then all the sites with forums at Mootropolis.com would be linked. Which would be very interesting to see how that gets handled.
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bidsbids
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posted on April 11, 2002 02:02:56 PM new
If a person is in Auction Cow and clicks on the "Community" link near the top of the page the person is transported to Mootropolis.com .That's pretty much still connected in my book.
Buzz, AC isn't making much now but in the future it plans to make a lot more I'd imagine. All auction sites lose a huge junk of their potential revenue to unauthorized, offsite deals. On the small third tier sites that's only a few dollars but on ebay it's millions or even tens of millions of dollars. Since all of the little guys have dreams of being big someday it behooves them to install safeguards in their auction setups that the auction users can get use to.
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RB
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posted on April 11, 2002 02:32:50 PM new
dim ... I agree, but what does that have to do with the issue I brought up? eBay allows direct contact after a sale is made.
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