posted on February 27, 2005 02:54:12 PM new
So sorry Classic, I couldn't hep myself with that one-liner but I'm sure that CF got a tickle out of it. It's just that in another thread you're talking about having a picnic with her and doing...something...with her enlarged asss.
posted on February 28, 2005 04:57:16 AM newProfe51, MS and IE have come along way. You dont even use them anymore do you? They've added pop-up blockers and free virus/adware blocking tools. They automatically get targeted because they are the most widely used
A great reason to avoid them. M$ is irrelevant. Nobody needs to put up with their crappy apps if they don't want to.
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posted on February 28, 2005 01:33:35 PM new
Profe51, you're like one of those people (die-hard apple fanatics) that always remind me of the same people who like a band when its unpopular and underground, and once they reach commercial success, you dis them as selling-out and now crappy.
ed to add: I like firefox,too. It's very clean browser to use. And not defending MS, but I dont think you can count them as completely irrelevant just yet And since you dont EVEN USE it, you have no idea how far along the development has come. Which sorry to say, ANY software is always developing and evolving.
posted on February 28, 2005 02:04:50 PM new
lol parklane, I knew you'd have to weigh in on this!!
I dont care what you use, none of them are ever going to be perfect. It's the nature of the beast! If hackers drilled holes in all other products they way they do ms, they would find/ them reroute them in the other products, too. Nobody is writing sH* to hack into apple because the payload isnt that great!
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posted on February 28, 2005 02:25:24 PM new
Prof - help!! How do I increase memory allocation in Safari?
DBL - Microsoft is evil and I.E. is a joke. Have you ever wondered if there was an avenue into your computer that was actually secured when i.e. released? At some point in time you have to stop calling them backdoors and admit that the programers didn't get beyond rough frame when i.e. was released.
If Apple was anywhere near as insecure as MS don't you think that SOMEONE would have gotten their way in by now.
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posted on February 28, 2005 02:33:07 PM new
Absolutely!
Micosoft shovels their garbage out the door largely untested just to meet commercial deadlines and marketing promises.
Firefox and similar open-source software do not have these pressures. They are released when they are DONE and finally tested. Sure, the occasional flaw pops up, but there certainly isn't the daily patch to deal with like with MS stuff.
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posted on February 28, 2005 03:50:41 PM new
No, fenix, I dont. If apple had the number of users windows and/or IE has .... the incentive for a payoff to mess with it would be far greater than it is now. (Its like why rob a bank for 10.00 bucks when you can get 100,000?)
Most programmers do leave in backdoor(s) for their own purposes. But I am really the wrong one to chop shop about it. I can only relate to what I've read, and what people whose technical expertise I trust, have told me about it.
Some fish swim alone while others spend their whole lives in a school. If the buzz is MS Suc!s they're right there with it even though they dont fully know what they are talking about. Some people just pride themselves on being the "uncola" and when their group gets big enough, then THEY ARE the cola's.
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posted on February 28, 2005 04:34:53 PM new
DBL - When it comes to computers I'm not about what's cool, I'm about what works. What I think window users forget is that MS was not the originator. Windows is an attempt to duplicate the Apple operating system and despite 20 years of trying, they still have not gotten it right.
I have used Macs since the program was on one disk and your file was on another and saving work meant switching the disks back and forth till you were blue in the face. With my old company I spent ridicuous amounts of time and money trying to work within their windows system. I finally made them buy me a Mac. In the end the only thing I was not doing on it was accounting and only because the boss insisted I do something to utilize our custom network. The PCs were buggy, constantly crashing and the only thing that saved our butt during frequent crashes was the tape drive backup.
The only time I have ever had problems with a Mac is
1) when the internal battery died and I didn't know there was an internal battery so could not figure it out.
2) When I had three iOmega externals plugged in simultaniously (you are only supposed to have 2)
You seem to think that Mac users know nothing about Windows but how much do you know about Macs? You seem to think that their users are only dedicate because they are different. Truth is we use them because they are better. They are more stable, more secure in infinitely more compatible and upgradeable.
What have I done with Windows lately? I fixed my friends back in San Diego before I left to house sit for the parents and when they return I will be fixing theirs which crashed while they have been gone.
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posted on February 28, 2005 04:53:30 PM newDBL - When it comes to computers I'm not about what's cool, I'm about what works
lol fenix. Dont you think thats just a little bit funny after your most recent posts with safari?
I have no doubt apple is a stable system. I've read as much.
I tried to use it on one job where I was once, but it was hard for me to get accustomed to it. I have been on windows/dos since when you actually had to hook a phone cradle extension into an external modem to get a teletype connection and the premier word processor was samna. I understand DOS so I like it.
posted on February 28, 2005 06:37:06 PM new
::lol fenix. Dont you think thats just a little bit funny after your most recent posts with safari?::
Not if you knew what I went thru before I switched to Safari.
The problem I am having with Safari is a simple basic problem, I even know exactly what needs to be done to fix it. The problem I am having is simply that I have not had to increase memory allocations in any of my programs since upgrading my operating system and apparently the method has been changed or I'm forgetting something.
As far as what works.... My computer has not crashed or decided to restart of it's own accord in nearly a year... can you say the same of your PC?
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posted on February 28, 2005 07:02:38 PM new
Actually, I can. Dont know if its the sp2 upgrade or what- but been very fortunate my computer has been behaving pretty good for the last year.
posted on February 28, 2005 07:11:52 PM new
"As far as what works.... My computer has not crashed or decided to restart of it's own accord in nearly a year... can you say the same of your PC?"
I certainly can say that about my PC. But then, it runs Linux, not Winblows
Apple different? Puhleeze. You guys ought to try living with Linux for a few weeks. My system's been on 78 days without a single reboot.
But as far as "old-timer" stories go. I used to run Windows 2.0 (TWO-POINT-OH) on top of DOS 3.1. Can anyone else here say that?
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posted on February 28, 2005 07:24:32 PM new
Oh yeah, well I had a computer a long long time ago that had a version of Windows on it that was so old that it wasn't even called Windows. It was called Drafty Opening.
posted on February 28, 2005 07:26:57 PM new
lol realplay. you know what I saw at the thrift store the other day? Boxes and boxes of windows 3.1. Unopened. Some business must have bought them never used them and just now junked them? I thought what the heck would anybody want with these now? Have to wonder tho, if computer software will be or is collectible? Thought i read about the old aol versions getting collected now? That reminds me I have to check 8-tracks on ebay. How do they do???
posted on February 28, 2005 08:03:09 PM new
Yellow, you are on a roll lately, arent you?? .
ok checked the 8-tracks. Fair to middlin depending on what it is. A Clash one is going for 170.00 so far though... I bet I had one of them but I cant remember what I did with all of them, probably junked em. Was a big music consumer "Back in the day" (God, that makes me feel old!)
posted on February 28, 2005 08:31:41 PM newProfe51, you're like one of those people (die-hard apple fanatics) that always remind me of the same people who like a band when its unpopular and underground, and once they reach commercial success, you dis them as selling-out and now crappy.
Too bad your knowledge is based on who ever you talked to last, dbl. To wit:
But I am really the wrong one to chop shop about it. I can only relate to what I've read, and what people whose technical expertise I trust, have told me about it.
Do a bit of reading somewhere else. The old saw about MS being the target of all the nasties because it has a 95% market share, and if Mac OS were as popular it would have just as many targets, just doesn't wash when you talk to programmers. OS X is inherently much more attack proof than Windows. No system is perfect. I run 5 computers on this ranch, 1 Linux, 1 Linux/Windows XP, and 3 Macs. Each one has issues once in a while, but the Windows machine is a flighty, undependable piece of crap that has required all sorts of silly add on programs to protect it, and it's still flaky. It freezes or crashes on average twice a week, which I consider unacceptable, even for XP, which is without question the most stable Windows yet. My kid mostly plays games on it, which seems to be it's best and highest use. It's a -2 year old Dell high end machine with plenty of RAM. I bought it used for next to nothing. When I use it, I boot it to Linux. Rock solid, no nasties. For the average user, there just isn't any reason to put up with Microsoft's cheesy operating system, and even cheesier apps, especially Internet Explorer, the absolute worst excuse for a browser that has ever been made. People are GIVING AWAY browsers that have fewer vulnerabilities, will open multiple windows in tabs, automatically block pop-ups, and run identically cross platform, and yet people still make excuses for this bloated pile of sludge. Go figure.
fenix, there is no memory allocation in OS X as there was with 9. The Unix core of OS X allocates memory on the fly to programs as they need it. That's why you no longer need to restart if a proggy quits on you. If you're having Safari issues, it's probably either your cache, which may need to be emptied, or you could try looking to see if you have the most recent Safari. Did you add any RAM when you switched to X? 256-512 mb is really the bare minimum for it to run well, especially if your processor is slower than 500mhz (try running Winders Ex-Pee on a 500mhz processor and see what happens ) and I'd recommend a gig if your machine will take it. RAM is cheap and is the best way to perk up your machine.
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posted on February 28, 2005 09:17:01 PM new
Thanks Prof - I probably should upgrade the ram but since I'm going to trade this machine in for a smaller faster stronger model I'll just deal with it (after about 50 pages it gets slower than molasses andirritates the hell out of me) I'm just trying to decide if I want the 15" notebook or the 17". OK - that's a lie - I know I want the 17" - just trying to justify it
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posted on March 1, 2005 04:17:55 AM new
I don't think the 3.1 versions are worth much.
Actually the 3.11 versions (the ones with networking built-in) usually sell VERY well to people with old machines, and there are plenty of them.
So sayeth 12 years in the used software market. Now we ARE talking about me expert area
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posted on March 1, 2005 04:58:18 AM newjust doesn't wash when you talk to programmers.
Sorry, prof, but my cousin who is head of a technical department for a fortune 500 Co, even relayed as much to me pretty recently. So I dont know what programmers you are talking to....
Do a bit of reading somewhere else
Your awfully arrogant. You dont know from what sources I read.
You have already dammned the torpedos. But chew on your own words a bit, "No system is perfect."
No matter what MS does or develops you'll still be toeing the 'it's crap' line because that is what makes you happy and satisfies you to do. -Who you kidding?
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posted on March 1, 2005 05:33:49 AM newNo matter what MS does or develops you'll still be toeing the 'it's crap' line because that is what makes you happy and satisfies you to do. -Who you kidding?
Nobody. I'll continue to call M$'s products crap as long as they remain crappy. I'll continue to try out and keep informed on them, but I won't make excuses for them. As of now, Microsoft is irrelevant. Their products and OS are not worth the trouble. If that changes, I have no problems admitting it.
I'll try out the newest version of Windows, if it ever actually comes out. "Longhorn"'s release date keeps getting pushed back and it's "features" keep getting trimmed down. Microsoft had to move programmers from the Longhorn project over to the job of adding security features into Windows XP Service Pack 2, which you'll soon be adding to your machine, if you know what's good for you.
The thing I don't get is why they've named it after a nearly extinct cow
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posted on March 1, 2005 05:36:41 AM new
fenix, I have a friend with a 17, it's truly a beauty, but don't expect it to be terribly portable. He says it's no fun to use in Coach.
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posted on March 1, 2005 09:44:51 AM new
If there weren't any Longhorn Cows, there wouldn't be any Longhorn Bulls. I hear these darlins' are all jockeying to be the next Microsoft Spokes-Cow
And since you dont EVEN USE it, you have no idea how far along the development has come. Which sorry to say, ANY software is always developing and evolving.