posted on August 3, 2000 08:01:05 PM new
VeryModern, Mom says it is 3:15 but it could be 3:20 so right in there but maybe not 100% accurate. Geex, who can be sure? They didn't have digital clocks way back then!
Hi Maddienicks! Nice to see you too! I don't venture far from AW anymore.
My homefront sucks!!!! That's why I want the "reading". Dying to see what is in store!
posted on August 4, 2000 10:14:32 AM new
Okay,,, Rubunzel..
Where MaddieNicks has to cope with urges that are diametrically opposed (i.e. fight nicely) you have major emphasis on three signs which interestingly are in order in the zodiac. The signs in the zodiac works like paper, rock and scissors, where the sign following, beats the one before, but when you get to the end of the zodiac, the last sign, Pisces, is completely baffled by Aries, the first sign and the circle never ends.
I want to qualify this to say that your chart does not lend itself as freely as MaddieNicks to public interpretation because by nature you are a more private person, and I want to be respectful of that.
Here goes!
Okay... You have a Leo rising which is a natural actor. You love your hair (nod to Rapunzel) and are theatrical even in the most mundane circumstances. For example, if there is so much as one person who might see you and therefore constitute an audience, you will not walk down the street. Instead you will promenade, swing your hair, and instinctually offer up your best angle as if a camera is rolling. Wave at commoners -
the whole nine yards. You do this beautifully, but it leads to your first
problem.
Your Virgo...
Your Virgo Sun, Mercury and Venus are completely mortified when you do this. Virgo is beyond Leo, and has work to do and does not Not NOT like to be the center of attention in a public setting. For one, they are modest (but intellectually arrogant) but also they think they Leo is a bit tacky or gauche. Virgo thinks that time is better spent being a good egg, not a flashy egg.
This is fairly difficult to resolve, but it is possible to reconcile - by trying to get each side to see the value in the other. For this you need a mediator, which, by God you have, in the form of what is coming up next... a ton of Libra. Libra that can always see both sides.. so here they are.
The fairly snobby Virgo needs to come to understand and appreciate that drama is important in our lives. Not *everyone* should get up and work from dawn to dusk. Leo is providing something crucial in our culture.
OTOH, Leo needs to learn,that in spite of being very shiny - the shiniest, that they are nowhere without the Virgo working behind the scenes to keep their finery clean and in good repair, as well as write their speeches!
So onto Libra.
Libra anywhere in a chart gives good taste. Libra Moon nearly always lives in a beautiful home. Decorated on a shoestring or otherwise - you must live in a pleasing environment or feel ill, and there is inherent ability to pull this off. Secondly - Libra HATES to be alone. The Leo and Libra can work in tandem, but here is where the next conflict appears in the signs that follow each other in the zodiac.
Virgo needs to be alone. Greta Garbo (a Virgo) with the classic Virgo line "I want to be alone." The reason for this, is that a Virgo must stop to fix or assist every living thing they come across and machines too on
occasion and so the only way to get a rest is to isolate, and then remerge, fresh and ready to save again. Contrast this with Libra who never ever ever ever wants to be alone. They NEED to be in a relationship. Libra is always at risk of what was called "codependency" in the 80's because they simply feel worthless if not partnered (this need not be a marriage, could be a business partnership - just so they are PAIRED). Compare this with Virgo who is so completely self contained, they are referred to as the VIRGIN, as in can't be penetrated, and it is easy to see the dilemma. Libra thinks Virgo is an old maid hag who has no concept of the art and beauty of love. Virgo thinks Libra is pathetically needy, but feels bad for thinking this, and so Libra wins.. (following Virgo in the zodiac - the order here is Leo, Virgo, Libra )
The solution is not simple, but it exists. Virgo must not be allowed to devastate Leo by criticizing and pointing out flaws. Libra must not be allowed to dismiss Virgo as inferior and rather peasant like or even uncouth. The challenge is to give everyone some of what they need. Leo needs to be seen and enjoy regular applause in order to thrive. Libra needs a partner and these two sides of your personality compliment each other very well. The trick then, is to integrate the Virgo. Libra should be aware that it is Virgo's fine mind that provides part of the enticement to a potential partner. Virgo must learn to be in a relationship without total self sacrifice, i.e. leave time to be alone.
posted on August 4, 2000 03:50:13 PM new
VeryModern,This is all VERY interesting and begins to explain much about me to me.
One part of me does always want to let lose and another always says to quit making a fool of myself. LOL! This is quite revealing!
My husband is ,of all things a Gemini [he says with three things in Gemini whatever that means!]
I really appreciate you doing this.
If you think I should know something that should not appear here you may email me at
[email protected] otherwise just let fly!
posted on August 4, 2000 04:03:51 PM new
>>My husband is ,of all things a Gemini [he says with three things in Gemini whatever that means!]>>>
That's perfect! You have JUPITER in Gemini (I did not get that far) which means that you are always able to forgive each
other and be benevolent.
You know how some people do you wrong and even if time passes and you forgive, you would still choose not to re-engage
the person? This is the opposite of that. When Jupiter in a person's chart hooks up with one of personal planets in another
person's chart, it gives a feeling like "yeah.. they did XYZ but I still like 'em.." Very forgiving and also bring eachother good
luck.
Astrologer Steven Arroyo goes as far as to say that he has never seen a happy relationship where there was no Jupiter contact,
and since reading that MANY years ago, and observing, I have also found this to be the case.
Anyhow, Gemini and Leo is THE famous match. Gemini flirts, but Leo is so confident, so what?
The Gemini shares a ruler with Virgo, so more affinity and Libra and Gemini are of the same element - air which is always an
easy match.
I am sorry if you felt this was TOO revealing. I did try to take care.
posted on August 4, 2000 04:16:57 PM new
Hi VeryModern, Glad to hear that about my husband! This is not too revealing, I am just fine with what you have to say being here. After all, I can just change my user ID and come back as someone completely different if I need to!
posted on August 4, 2000 05:30:26 PM new
Okay.. I want to offer one more tidbit, just because it has occurred to me and so why not.
I get a kick out of your user id in relation to your chart.
Get this.
Rapunzel has this long hair - spun gold isn't it, with gold being ruled by LEO.
Alas, she is a pure maiden endlessly serving a cruel witch - hellllo self sacrificing Virgo
In the end - Libra love comes and makes everything pleasing.
This takes us back to Leo - because it is theatrical - yes/no?
On another note, Disney's Belle is a Virgo - no doubt about that. Gaastad (sp) is an Aries, her father is Aquarius, and the beast is a Taurus.
Ariel the Little Mermaid is a Pisces, or at least has Venus in Pisces, and Aladdin is a Sagittarius - his gal pal a Scorpio, and so their relationship is unlikely to endure..
posted on August 4, 2000 05:42:39 PM new
Oh! On Aladdin and Jasmine. He will leave to avoid being devoured! She will hunt him down with intent to destroy but he will continue to get lucky and land on his feet.
posted on August 4, 2000 08:48:37 PM new
VeryModern, This has been great fun and a learning experience as well. I have printed it out and read some to my husband. I must say some of it has me howling with laughter!
Hadn't thought of the Rapunzel connection. I do like my hair and keep it long even though my family says women of a "certain age" should not wear long hair [?].Anyway it has been fun. I hope someone else will step up to the plate!!!
Thank you!!!!!!!!!
edited 'cause the virgo made me
[ edited by Rawbunzel on Aug 4, 2000 08:49 PM ]
posted on August 4, 2000 08:59:32 PM new
Sounds like fun - but, darn it, I'm being very paranoid right now about posting personal info - like birthdate. Maybe someone else will jump in - I'm skeeeeert to.
posted on August 5, 2000 05:32:05 AM new
ps - I agree, the birthdata posted is not the best idea I've ever had. Sorry.
Everyone who posted, please edit. Anyone who want to email can use [email protected], but please be aware that if I am flooded with birth data I will not be able to get to all to them.
posted on August 5, 2000 05:42:02 AM new
I also want to explain the reason that I asked for the data to be posted was in case someone else wanted to do the chart and follow along, or add their own observations.
posted on August 5, 2000 12:31:51 PM new
Hi snowyegret, the first comment I have is regarding your Sag Moon. This is the best judge of character in zodiac. You are the person a pal or family member should have a candid talk with before marrying for example. If they are tied up with a shady character, you'll know it and save them some heartache if they care to hear what you say, which you will say rather bluntly by the way.
This is not because you are an insensitive person, as a matter of fact, you are a very feeling, highly attuned, an empathetic sort. Scratch much of what I said about Leo in the last "reading" your Leo sun has extenuating conditions that alter it from traditional Leo interpretation. Consider it like mixing paint.. You start with "Yellow" but when you add a little X or Y you don't have "yellow" anymore and it you add a LOT of X or Y the yellow may not even be evident.
You have considerable luck. You may be too conservative to trust it all that much and take full advantage, but it is there just the same. Angel on your shoulder type of deal. I am sure you have found yourself in intense situations but managed to come away remarkably well.
You have mediumistic abilities, and are offered glimpses of the future which are solid and can be traded upon if you wish. You have access to the best of both worlds. You have the fine Virgo mind and innate ability to discriminate with your intellect but the information that comes to you in a more ethereal way is very good, so the challenge is to not let your brain mind talk you away from the reality of your higher mind.
There is much evidence of a need to serve, and a propensity towards escaping in whatever form. Think of the alcoholic and the alcoholic counselor and how they are such similar people. Many of the latter will tell you that they have to do this work or they will become the former! I am not sure how this analogy relates to your personally but I am betting that you do.
There is also an intense dream life. If you have never given your dreams much consideration and you decide to, you will find a treasure chest that is LOADED. Chart is highly mutable, you will never be stuck in a rut and you have a close attachment to your mother (mother figure / Grandmother) which is a benefit to you.
Overall this chart is quite positive. Fear is your greatest impediment, but it can just as easily be used as "gas" to get your car down the road. Just as MaddieNicks (over the next couple years) needs to face her fears to progress, you have this type of situation NATALLY which means that for you it is a way of life as opposed to a shorter term (transit) phase.
posted on August 5, 2000 01:16:18 PM new
kitsch1 - I am sorry but I cannot do your chart with the info you provided. The window on the time is too wide and I cannot be certain of either your Moon or rising signs which are critical. It would be like writing with 2 fingers on one hand while blindfolded and sitting in an uncomfortable chair! Sorry.
posted on August 5, 2000 01:44:13 PM new
Very Modern: Fascinating! Some is absolutely dead on. Now, I'm off to stick my foot in my mouth about my fine Virgo(yes!) mind to my Virgo husband. Thank you so much, I'm impressed.
posted on August 5, 2000 01:50:03 PM new
snowyegret - you married a Virgo? Good move.
You have JUPITER in Virgo. Go back and read "Rawbunzel" about hooking up with someone that hooks up with your Jupiter.
posted on August 5, 2000 01:55:22 PM new
That didn't come out how I meant. I guess that's that Sag moon. Is it fixable(besides duct tape)?
[ edited by snowyegret on Aug 5, 2000 02:03 PM ]
posted on August 5, 2000 03:00:49 PM new
Mybidness is ahead of her time. At least 7 years, maybe more, and maybe even more than more.
You like to be part of a group, specifically one that is non traditional, forward thinking, breaks rules, and does not mind shocking people. If they are also humanitarian in some way - you're in! Deadheads, Trekkies, Greenpeace.. this kind of thing. Could also be working for rights of downtrodden, and I do not necessarily mean the traditional "downtrodden" such as homeless people, but even say - gifted children who are not getting the attention and education they need and deserve. The thing here is that you think out of the box.
You function beautifully in a group. You can put most anyone at ease, but Pisces is always emotionally boundryless to some extent so you can be quite affected (for good or ill) in a gathering of people since you will be feeling their feelings and possibly even their children's feelings , their next door neighbors feelings , their dog feelings, the feelings of their not yet conceived children --- you get the picture.
You have an overload of Pisces (Sun Moon Venus) and so must take care to stave off Pisces problems - namely addiction (AA - that is another group) and malaise. To (loosely) quote Michael Lutin on Pisces avoidance of mundane tasks --- "...none of this matters in 100 years anyway so..." You do have Jupiter in Virgo, so that helps this tendency, but I bet you that you put it off and off and off and off and then go on an efficiency spree.
Okay.. on to your Taurus rising. Taurus likes comfort and predictability and so does not mind one whit if Pisces wants to take a nap. Trouble is, that in order to feel vitally alive (Sun) and emotionally fed (Moon) you have to do this activist rebel club or group kind of thing which Taurus really does not enjoy that much (I mean at all). The exception is made if the function is something like astrology where secrets may be revealed or it Taurus will be paid money, or at the very least the affair will be catered and the food will be plentiful. On the other hand if you decide to join something where the chairs are uncomfortable and the atmosphere stark- I think you will be very regretful. Taurus also loathes change and you like to shake everything up routinely and then have to cope when this part of yourself quakes.
You are a natural astrologer. You would pick all this up is short order if you ever decided to study. You would not plod through, it would all readily make sense to you..
posted on August 5, 2000 06:01:12 PM newVeryModern Interesting stuff. It looks like a little better than 50/50 for an accurate fit. Course, I NEVER conform to what I'm supposed to be.
I especially like the idea of being years ahead of my time... I'm not sure what that means, but it has such a nice ring to it!
Hmmmm.... I never join "cause" groups - or any groups - love non-traditional thinkers best - but not in groups and not too radical. I probably fit in as well as any - but, I can't handle the politics that goes with most. I do seem to have an extra set of tentacles for others feelings and I also lean toward working in non-traditional causes. I am very much a creature of habit - abstaining from alcohol I should clarify, 'cept when my son is fighting off the grizzlies in Montana.
I always look at whether something will matter in a hundred years - usually I decide that housework and mundane chores won't. And, I keep huge to-do list which never get done 'cause I really thrive under pressure. Lastly, I hate any kind of change... even my living room furniture doesn't get rearranged without great protest.
I've never had this done before - it was fun! Made me stop and re-evaluate myself. Thanks very much for putting your time into it.
It doesn't escape me that for all my recent paranoia, I've laid a lot on the table today. Oh well, that fits me too!
posted on August 11, 2000 12:24:43 PM new
I just wanted to say that I have sent Very Modern a huge apology this a.m. by email. I just learned last night that the birth time information I gave her last week was way off by more than 12 hours.
I'm not surprised now that my chart seemed only about 50/50. I didn't give it a fair shake last week when I inadvertantly sent the wrong birth info. My mom assures me that she remembers every moment of my birth (had to hear that story again) - and, that my "memory" is just wrong! Big surprise there?
Very Modern I knew something was
amiss when I studied the books and sites you recommended and everyone else in my familie's info seemed dead on, but mine was off in a few important areas - Looking at the correct chart - I am completely blown away by the accuracies in describing my personality and life. Almost, too close for comfort.
Again, I'm very sorry for having wasted your time with inaccurate information.
Thank you so much, I'm impressed.
