kiara
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posted on March 9, 2005 11:33:46 AM new
May sh!t grinning smiles continue to proliferate betwixt and between your careless words.
The little voices in my head say it's time to add another evil smiley......... hahahahaha
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Linda_K
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posted on March 9, 2005 11:42:31 AM new
LOL
and here's kiara....one again NOT addressing the topic....but showing a picture of herself.
Not very attractive kiara...here I pictured you a much prettier than that.
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Helenjw
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posted on March 9, 2005 12:17:59 PM new
LOL! There she is! Divining what others are thinking.
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profe51
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posted on March 9, 2005 03:40:05 PM new
public school just expel. I feel that is pretty close to corporal punishment..
In what way is a day or week off school like being swatted?
Although it varies by state, you'll find that public schools are required by law to accept every child who is a resident of their district, regardless of his or her behavioral history, and regardless of special needs. Classes too full? Tough. If a child enrolls, the schools are required to accept him. School districts have School Board Policy which outlines under what circumstances a child can be suspended from classes, and when he or she can be expelled. Expulsion is not dealt out capriciously. Most schools are reluctant to suspend or expel, because the child who is not in class is one for whom the district will not receive funds. Law suits throughout the country brought in defense of these little darlin's have time and again ruled in their favor. By suspending them, their rights to an education were interfered with. Never mind the rights of the other 24 kids in the class whose education was disrupted by an unruly child.
Most states have laws which state that the most a school can do, usually because of drug or weapon violations, is expel a kid for the balance of the school year. When he returns next year, they are required to accept him.
As far as I'm concerned, when it comes to creating a safe, non disruptive environment for the greatest number of students, the schools should be allowed to expel an incorrigible kid forever. We tried. Sorry, but you no longer get to pollute this educational setting. Good bye and good luck.
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Linda_K
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posted on March 9, 2005 04:08:46 PM new
In what way is a day or week off school like being swatted?
I'm not Libra but to me they're both a form of punishment. In my day taking a swat meant your parents didn't get called and it didn't get recorded in your school records. Most chose the swat, or two, for that reason.
Of course, this was back in the Pioneer days when IF the school had to discipline you....you got worse from your parents when you got home. 
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Linda_K
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posted on March 9, 2005 04:20:20 PM new
profe - The behavior of ADHD children is categorically different than simple misbehavior, Linda.
I am aware that is the current belief. My concern is that ALL evaluation, without scientific finding, are only based on the opinion/judgement of the 'doctor' doing the evaluation. His/her opinion....not based in provable fact.
Most kids with incorrigible behavior problems are not ADHD kids, and their behavior will be worsened by ADHD meds, not improved. I completely understand what you have mentioned. But I wasn't ONLY referring to drugs like Retalin. But rather to all the other drugs that are being adminstered to child as young as two years old.
I'd be VERY interested in reading your personal opinion regarding the cause/reason fo the tremendous increase between the years 1991-1995 in the number of students being drugged. The report I read said that there'd been a 50% increase in daycard students between the ages of 2 and 4. And a 75% increase in the number of elementary school children. Sounds totally crazy that those numbers have increased THAT much in such a short period of time. I couldn't find data from 1995-now.
But, according to you, why this HUGE increase.
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profe51
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posted on March 9, 2005 05:31:09 PM new
I've seen increases, but not to the extent you mentioned. What report was that?
The increases I've seen go along with an increase in the number of kids who need the meds in order to function in school. I don't know what causes ADHD. I suspect it's a combination of parental drug abuse, diet, and our hurry up sound bite instant gratification culture. Even non ADHD kids have a distinct lack of attention span compared to kids 20 years ago. If it's not right now and right quick, they're not interested. Don't tell me it's "just kids", it's not like it used to be.
I do know that there are more kids than ever with this affliction.
Ritalin isn't the only drug being used to treat ADHD. In fact, it's being prescribed less and less due to abuse problems. Not from the kids it's prescribed for. It doesn't make them high. It's abuse by parents, siblings and friends. There are new and better meds being developed for ADHD all the time. The idea that children are being medicated with powerful psychotropic drugs bothers me too. That's why I said earlier that I wouldn't medicate my kid, unless my only option was to keep him in a regular public classroom. In that situation, his only chance of learning, and not being a disruption to the learning of others would be on medication.
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crowfarm
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posted on March 9, 2005 06:16:17 PM new
The sweet little widow who has a son in the armed services and was beaten as a child just can't tell the diference between a day off and a violence.....so sad....poor thing she's had such a tough life and the beatings have kept her brain back in the fifties...not surprising she supported torturing children in Iraq.
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Linda_K
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posted on March 9, 2005 06:19:34 PM new
Thank you profe, I appreciated reading your opinions. It's nice to hear certain things from one who's right in the 'hornets nest'.
The stats I quoted were from the link I posted to an AP/MSNBC article from a while back [200] - on page 4 of this thread. Like I said, I couldn't find more recent info. And the second link I posted on that same page, was an article on those who are concerned about how these children are being [in their opinion] over medicated and their reasons they believe it's happening and increasing. Their concerns about the growing numbers.
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kiara
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posted on March 9, 2005 07:28:32 PM new
Everyone should be concerned that children are not playing as much outside as they used to and I think the lack of activity outdoors, excessive TV and video games and also bad diet contribute to ADHD and also weight problems that more children are suffering from today.
This article quotes that about 85% of ritalin is consumed in America.
There are comparisons between American children and the rest of the world.
The generation of students who began elementary school in the mid-1980s was the first one to be raised primarily indoors.
http://www.worldandi.com/specialreport/sax/sax.html
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Libra63
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posted on March 9, 2005 07:55:35 PM new
Kiara I agree with you. As a child I spent most of my daylight hours outside. Of course that was before TV and child molesters. Now they play video games and movie videos and never see the light of day.
I know when I am depressed a walk in the sunlight helps straighten out the mind.
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maggiemuggins
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posted on March 10, 2005 08:04:49 AM new
Kiara I agree with you. As a child I spent most of my daylight hours outside. Of course that was before TV and child molesters. Now they play video games and movie videos and never see the light of day.
I know when I am depressed a walk in the sunlight helps straighten out the mind.
Dang, Libra!!! My goodness! Television and child molesters hadn't been invented yet when you were a child!!!? And how bent does your mind have to get before you take that little walk in the sunlight?
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Libra63
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posted on March 10, 2005 08:52:15 AM new
Well maggie you don't understand what I said. Couldn't grasp it huh?
Where I lived we didn't have TV until 1954. Yes that is what I said. I didn't watch TV until the late 60's. With going to school and other things it wasn't a top priority. For your information TV is not a top priority with me now.
And yes maybe if a few of the people in here would take a walk in the sun sometimes they would feel a whole lot better. Yes and maybe when some parent would like to smack their kid they need to take a walk also, that is before they do the smacking...
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kiara
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posted on March 10, 2005 09:08:17 AM new
Yes and maybe when some parent would like to smack their kid they need to take a walk also, that is before they do the smacking...
I think a better idea would be for the parent to take the child along with them on the walk and quietly discuss the problem and let them know what they are doing wrong..... and just forget all that smacking.
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logansdad
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posted on March 10, 2005 09:16:56 AM new
A while back we had a discussion about police using a tazzer gun on an unruly child. I can't remember who was in favor of that?
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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Libra63
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posted on March 10, 2005 10:50:58 AM new
the OP states Mother made to spank child. Where does it say anything about the police. If the police were wrong they are prosecuted, if the parents are wrong the child is taken away from them...
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maggiemuggins
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posted on March 10, 2005 11:05:16 AM new
Well maggie you don't understand what I said. Couldn't grasp it huh?
Where I lived we didn't have TV until 1954. Yes that is what I said. I didn't watch TV until the late 60's. With going to school and other things it wasn't a top priority. For your information TV is not a top priority with me now.
Where did you live? In an igloo in Nunavut?
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Libra63
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posted on March 10, 2005 11:12:39 AM new
No Duluth Minnesota. How insulting you are are you related or a clone to crowfarm.
Now that I have given the city I will bet you will search to see if I am telling the truth.
Wouldn't surprise me at all. Well at least it will give you something to do insulting everyone. Wait! I can even give you a close date if you would like that. It was during Mardi Gras 1954 and why I know that is that our high school band was in the King Rex Parade.
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maggiemuggins
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posted on March 10, 2005 11:22:44 AM new
Now that I have given the city I will bet you will search to see if I am telling the truth.
Wouldn't surprise me at all. Well at least it will give you something to do insulting everyone.
What?..LOL.. You think I am going to track your name and the date you lived in Duluth Minnesota, to verify if you were telling the truth about not having a television until 1954?...Or..or is it the part about not watching the TV until the 60's that I am supposed to check on? Or..or ... the part about taking a walk in the fresh air to straighten out your mind?  
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parklane64
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posted on March 10, 2005 11:31:40 AM new
I suspect it's a combination of parental drug abuse, diet, and our hurry up sound bite instant gratification culture. Even non ADHD kids have a distinct lack of attention span compared to kids 20 years ago.
I find this to be an interesting take on the causes of ADHD, Profe. Do you think television has contributed to the problem? When you say parental drug abuse, do you mean on-going drug abuse or past drug usage causing genetic problems or fetal stress syndrome? Also, do you consider ADHD a specific condition or a catch-all for hyper-activity and learning problems?
Should we continue the beatings until grades improve? 
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Libra63
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posted on March 10, 2005 02:55:40 PM new
Maggie I think I explained myself about not watching TV until the late 60's. Schooling, then living in places that didn't have TV. Is that hard to understand. Sorry most TV programs don't interest me and back then they certainly didn't. I can't remember one TV program from the 60's.
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Linda_K
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posted on March 10, 2005 05:25:25 PM new
This post from helen is being placed in this thread so that it's in the tread where SHE refused to answer a VERY direct question. Danced all around it...repsonded to all sort of things NOT asked...
helenjw - posted on March 10, 2005 02:16:46 PM
Too funny!!! Linda, who never answers a question wants one answered. Hahaha!
Gee the words 'total hypocrite' come to mind.
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classicrock000
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posted on March 10, 2005 05:30:22 PM new
"I think a better idea would be for the parent to take the child along with them on the walk and quietly discuss the problem and let them know what they are doing wrong..... and just forget all that smacking."
I think a better ida would be for the parent to take the child along with them on the walk and
quietly........throw the little bastard off a cliff.
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Linda_K
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posted on March 10, 2005 05:47:05 PM new
LOL classic - You sound just like a male friend of mine. He never married and never wanted children, said it was because he knew he'd never be a good parent....and I laugh everytime he says something about children. That sounded just like something he'd say.
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crowfarm
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posted on March 10, 2005 06:07:34 PM new
There weren't any child molesters until the 60's ???????????
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Libra63
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posted on March 10, 2005 07:29:26 PM new
If there was it wasn't where I was. Maybe you know the answer to that better than I do crowfarm as you are sooooooo knowledgeable.
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classicrock000
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posted on March 10, 2005 07:54:40 PM new
" There weren't any child molesters until the 60's ???????????"
No, Michael Jackson wasnt born until the 60's
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parklane64
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posted on March 12, 2005 12:02:32 AM new
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MAH645
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posted on March 14, 2005 08:09:16 AM new
What I find interesting is that there was no such thing as a ADHD child in the 50's and 60's. No we didn't stay glued to a TV set,but why would you we only had 3 stations and they were only on during certain hours. The programing sucked. During the day it was game shows and soaps. I will say your mother didn't hand you a two liter soda pop for breakfast either.
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