bizzycrocheting
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posted on March 31, 2005 07:12:15 AM new
I am so angry right now! The news just broke that Terri Shiavo has passed away this morning. The husband was refusing to allow her parents to be with her in her final moments. It was unclear whether he finally relented and who was with Terri when she passed. How much of a control freak does one have to be to do something like that???!!!! Life has a funny way of coming full circle. I wonder what the future holds for Michael Schiavo ...
Diane
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fenix03
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posted on March 31, 2005 08:30:23 AM new
Diane ... I think you mean inaccurate, muck raking, media. Her parents were in their home. It was the brother and sister and they have stood in front mics numerous times and called him a murderer and claimed that he beat her into this state (which there is absolutely no medical evidence of). Why should he care. His belief is that this is what his wife wanted and that her family has disrespected her and her memory by turning what should have been a quite peaceful and respectful act into a political & public circus.
Quite honestly, I would not have let them in either. There has been nothing about their actions that would lead me to believe that they would do anything other than make these last few moments into still another unpleasant scene.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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CBlev65252
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posted on March 31, 2005 12:52:24 PM new
Have to agree with fenix on this one.
Cheryl
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bigpeepa
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posted on March 31, 2005 04:53:21 PM new
fenix, I also agree with you on this one.
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stonecold613
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posted on March 31, 2005 05:37:52 PM new
I can't believe it, but I also agree with fenix on this.
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Alive in 2005
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dblfugger9
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posted on March 31, 2005 06:04:25 PM new
fenix that is ludicrious!! If his belief was this was what terry wanted and he was soooo intent on fulfilling her desires, you think he believed she would have wanted any of her family whether it her brother & sister or mother and father excluded from her deathbed??
Youre fn unbelievable!!!! That totally contrasts with everything said about how close she was with her family.
If he EVER EVER cared about her wishes, he would have been a big enough man to put aside his grievence with them "for her" in her last moments.
I'm done with board tonight. You all are totally ridiculous.
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twig125silver
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posted on March 31, 2005 06:32:07 PM new
Sorry, as much as I hated this entire mess, and I would have killed anyone who would have had the balls to deny me being with my daughter, were she in this situation....
I also believe the parents would have made this so much worse in this particular situation.
Their lawyers are getting the paperwork ready for the lawsuits......
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profe51
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posted on March 31, 2005 06:40:50 PM new
I'm done with board tonight. You all are totally ridiculous.
I agree. You're all totally ridiculous for having opinions different than dbl.
Shame on you.
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dblfugger9
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posted on March 31, 2005 10:29:07 PM new
for having opinions different than dbl...Shame on you.
So the profe reels his line with his pre-used bait. But youre getting a lot better at that jerkish thing youre trying to attain there, profe.  Too bad this isnt about me, though.
You should rather show your own bobble-head nodding up and down in agreement for the self-centered self-indulgent singular-minded hurtful vengeful power-play - that man could possibly pull on this family and expect anyone to believe what he was doing all along... was following Terri's wishes??????
Are we to believe terri would have wanted to see her mother and family hurt like this? I dont believe it. I really dont. So better yet, teacher marvelous one, why dont you express how great you'd think that'd be if a husband of one of your daughters pulled that on your family?
The resonating indignation and the wounded howl of the ME MIME MY ME I MY idiom that comes from this emotionally infantile approach to everything IS ridiculous to me. Sorry if you dont like my opinion.
Putting aside your own hurt feelings in the time of death, is the right and honoring thing to do for TERRI AND for her parents, as it is for anyone. - Why is that like a totally foreign concept to the so-coveted superior intellect you all try to prove you posess every day here?
Where is the dignity in that? I see no dignity, I see only false pride.
Which leads me to understand why so many reject the concept of a God who loved the world so much that he sent his only son to die for it. You just dont get it -- and ya cant comprehend the immensity of loving somebody that much -THAT MUCH that they would put their own feelings away. That life is precious even for a girl who went brain dead 15 years ago, she, who could live and breathe another day, to light the smile on her mothers face. I would choose to do that for my mother if I could...I would not choose to die, because my once-upon-a-time fair-weathered husband thought I should.
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fenix03
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posted on March 31, 2005 10:49:39 PM new
I'm just so glad that we have been able to retain such a mature and civil attitude. It's so refreshing....
OK... seriously guys... where is the eye roling smilie... I need some help here!
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kiara
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posted on March 31, 2005 11:19:42 PM new
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kiara
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posted on March 31, 2005 11:20:14 PM new
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kiara
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posted on March 31, 2005 11:20:49 PM new
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fenix03
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posted on March 31, 2005 11:39:09 PM new
LOL - That you Kiara - now you just need to give me the code.
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CBlev65252
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posted on April 1, 2005 03:31:05 AM new
I would have killed anyone who would have had the balls to deny me being with my daughter, were she in this situation...
Again, as stated by fenix and the media other than FOX, the parents were not kept from seeing their daughter. The siblings were and, IMO, for good reason. The parents were at home.
Here's another example of that happening. Ken's mother went into cardiac arrest the day before Christmas in 1998. She lay near death on Christmas day. All her children were there except one - one they (the siblings) refused to call or allow into the room because of the rukus she had caused in the past when their mother was hospitalized. Rather than risk their mother's peaceful last moments, they wouldn't allow the other daughter in. She was not allowed to be there for her mother's last moments.
It happens all the time. Why is this case any different or more special than all the other cases happening on the planet?
Cheryl
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profe51
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posted on April 1, 2005 04:57:02 AM new
Too bad this isnt about me, though.
My mistake. It sure sounded like it.
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CBlev65252
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posted on April 1, 2005 05:19:03 AM new
BTW, in case any of you have forgotten, the siblings had to leave in part because it was Michael's turn to visit with her. If they could have swallowed their bitterness for just a moment, he may have let them in. They made their own bed just like Ken's sister.
He won't allow them at the burial because he knows the media circus they will have following them. He can't even trust them to act dignified at the funeral. If I were her parents, I'd do an awful lot of soul searching and then would do my best to make sure she had a peaceful, unevenful burial. She at least deserves that much.
Cheryl
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dblfugger9
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posted on April 1, 2005 06:23:25 AM new
oh yeah cheryl, and schiavo's lawyer was on tv this morning saying, "michael was in shock". Shock? What? Like he didn't plan on her dying from this?
As usual, kiara shows her "credence" and reputation by dropping a few smilies in a very sad and serious situation for somebody else.
[/b] And Quite honestly, -[selfish big baby bird] in her size 11 shoes who ..would not have let them in either.... continues to display what an emotional void it lives in.
But C'mon fenix, the pope's dying now - perhaps you got some good jokes to entertain us with?
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fenix03
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posted on April 1, 2005 06:47:08 AM new
Are you channeling Crow?
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dblfugger9
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posted on April 1, 2005 07:00:09 AM new
No, I am channeling Frank Perdue - Your and crows master.
Only you 'channel' live people fenix. You know,, those people you dont really know on the television who talk at you 24/7 and that gives you some sense of being in somebody's mix?
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Libra63
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posted on April 1, 2005 07:20:37 AM new
Cheryl.There is something about a mother daughter relationship that cannot be broken even in time of disputes. You should know that. Mothers always forgive because that is what mothers do. I am sure your boyfriends mother had forgiven her but the other siblings couldn't get over it and not even call her when her mother was dieing. That was 7 years ago and I bet that is the main thing the siblings think about that death.
There is a special bond and even in a dispute that bond is still there. It might be hidden but it is there. There is a saying "At this moment I don't like you but I still love you" Can you relate to that Cheryl.
I know you think I am stupid but I have sense and that is what counts. Smart people have no sense.
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dblfugger9
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posted on April 1, 2005 07:43:31 AM new
God love your soul, libra! You said a ...shall we typo it ... hug h mouthful. thanks.
oh good! Maybe she finally went to sleep? (I think that girl has been off her meds lately. Since the whole crow thing she's been at this like 3 days straight, round the clock. I think she's channeling crow or something.)
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classicrock000
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posted on April 1, 2005 09:07:06 AM new
Well....I could see this scenario.Classic,Crow and DB in the "no tell, motel" for a threesome.
Me being the moderate, would by laying in the middle.Crow would be laying on my left side(naturally) and DB laying on my right side(naturally). Now heres classic all warm and fuzzy waiting for some great sex and have these two to make a sandwich outta me.Predictably they start arguing over politics.Yea I can hear them screaming over my head obsenites at each other ,mean while while classic's boner goes down,and thats the end of that.I gotta tell ya the last time I was involved in a threesome, the damn thing didnt go down for days.
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CBlev65252
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posted on April 1, 2005 09:36:44 AM new
Sorry, dbl, you're not going to goad me into an argument with you. I don't see Terri's mother offering the hand of peace here. I see them planning two separate funerals. How sad is that?
Libra
Sure, Ken's mother may have forgiven her, but the siblings still fight over it. It will be the same with Terri's family. I don't see any white flags flying.
Cheryl
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Libra63
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posted on April 1, 2005 10:37:06 AM new
Yes Cheryl don't you understand he has another family now and has had one for quite sometime. This is what puzzles me why would he still be attached to someone he spent so little time with. He has had more time with his new family which includes children then he did with her. Why can't he just give her back to them. He took wedding vows with Terri, but now lives with another women like they were married.
Now he wants to take her back to Pennsylvania way away from her parents.
And of course from him so there are no reminders.
Can we honestly give opinions when the facts are not there. I have to many unanswered questions. Don't you?
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Libra63
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posted on April 1, 2005 10:40:13 AM new
Cheryl maybe the reason they are planning two funerals is because Michael won't let them attend his.
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kraftdinner
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posted on April 1, 2005 11:10:23 AM new
Double, you talk about God loving the world, but would God want to see a person lying in bed with no consciousness for 15 years out of love? How is that loving someone? Would you allow that with your pet?
As for your connection with me saying things don't die and this case, I don't get it.
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fenix03
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posted on April 1, 2005 11:40:49 AM new
::This is what puzzles me why would he still be attached to someone he spent so little time with.::
Libra - do you believe that in order to love one person in your life you must forget any others that you have previously loved?
Do you really believe that people are so completely limited in the scope of their emotions that it is impossible for Michael to have moved forward with his life while still caring about Terri?
I find it ironic that so many people tell theirspouses that if anything every happens to them they want them carry on with their lives and yet when Michael did that he becomes the world biggest cad. Yes, Terri was not dead but he knew that she was gone and she was not coming back.
He moved forward with his life while astill retaining the respect to fulfill what he felt was his wifes final wishes. I realize that you feel that this is a callous action but do you understand how others can see it as an incredibly compassionate act?
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kraftdinner
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posted on April 1, 2005 12:23:28 PM new
Fenix, I see Nancy Grace has joined the band wagon by implying he has a lot of nerve ordering an autopsy. She said that "this man wants to cut up his wife so he can selfishly clear himself?".
Just goes to show you how many people love to be followers instead of leaders.
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fenix03
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posted on April 1, 2005 12:29:38 PM new
Krafty - do you ever wonder why people so desperately feel they must find evil in this guy? I mean... seriously... had he refused they would have been attacking him saying that he was obviously trying to hide something.
Talk about Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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