posted on April 1, 2005 01:01:49 PM new
damned the torpedoes!!
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posted on April 1, 2005 01:24:14 PM new
Fenix, for all the reasons you listed - that's why they're mad at him. He should have been laying in bed along side her if he really cared. He should have ordered expensive tests to prove (to who?) that she was vegetive, even though they weren't needed. He should've poo-poo'd her wishes and let the parents take over so she could live in a comatose state for longer. That's REAL love. Seems like the only ones that get it are the religious people.
Uhhh... damned the torpedoes?? It's Friday and that's all you have to say?
posted on April 1, 2005 01:33:35 PM new
This is a bit OT, but Kds comment reminded me of it. The other day a commercial for Nancy Grace came on and I said "I find that woman annoying". My mother went into some sort of near hysteria- She couldn't believe I didn't "like" Nancy Grace.
Also, something I've noticed. I'm sort of an intermediate news person. I usually watch a little news everyday - but not a lot of the news/talk shows. So while I've defintely heard quite a bit about the Schiavo case - the only place I've read/or heard about the liquified cortex was on this discussion board. So, I can't help but wonder if there aren't a lot of other people out there who haven't heard that. It would make the belief that Terri was more than a "vegetable" and thus deserving of life a lot easier to understand. And if people believed that, it's not a long stretch to get to the Michael Schiavo is "evil" position.
posted on April 1, 2005 01:44:36 PM new
Cherished, just keep in mind that Nancy wanted to be a Shakespearean actor (same as William Shatner). See the similarities??
When people talk about a brain being liquified, it really means that parts of the brain have died and shrunk and the space is replaced with spinal fluid. Cherished, even if she have intensive therapy from the beginning, she would never have been able to regrow or cross-wire the parts of her brain needed to do anything.
posted on April 1, 2005 01:53:59 PM new
To all here think that Michael Schaivo gave in and requested an autopsy you are wrong.
The State of Florida requires an autopsy to be done on anyone that is going to be cremated. First and formost was the diagnosis right? The other reasons are to see if there are any unusual cirmstances like any broken bones, any suspicious areas in the body because once that body is cremated any evidence is gone. I posted that in another thread.
I hope they find nothing but the right diagnosis but I can't understand when and why all the problems started.
posted on April 1, 2005 02:04:46 PM new
Cherished, they had interviewed two doctors on a show I saw. One was a woman neurosurgeon, I cant remember her name.. but her claim basically was that how the brain is structured is so complex, that they really dont know what they're looking at, or for, to even make that determination. Others mention Terri had what they call islands of consciousness in her brain even despite the severe injury.
All they can do is speculate based on what the think they do know, but different doctors have differing opinions, and everyday things once thought one way as true, turn out to not be so. The ones that make these absolute determinations are dishonest, and playing God, imo. (And people who follow them & believe their every word, are sadder than sad because the put their only faith in men of flesh.)
Its not some like its one lone miracle. Many people who've been in comas have come out of them. Some longer than others. Some even say they remember things people said to them when they were supposedly unconscious. Even people they've diagnosed as terminal turn around and live for years. I cant stand these doctors that think they have a right to issue death sentences.
btw, I dont care for nancy grace too much myself. but I do like Dr. Sanjay. That guy's got the nicest teeth and mouth!!
posted on April 1, 2005 02:36:05 PM new
DBL - please find an example for us of someone whose cerebral cortex was found to have atrophied, dissolved and been replaced by spinal fluid who has returned to a state of cognitive consciousness. You seem to enjoy making comparisons and citing examples, I'm just curious as to whether you can provide one that is relevent to this specific situation.
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posted on April 1, 2005 02:45:02 PM new
fenix Please shuve it up your bored posting azz for half a minute, will ya? I wasnt posting to you, I was answering cherished. I'm not your fox news channel, if you want answers go search for them yourself.
posted on April 1, 2005 03:33:32 PM new
Double, since you've admitted that there are differing medical opinions about Terri's type of condition, why does the opinion that she wasn't curable make you so angry? Fenix's question was a good one - are there ANY other cases where a person, like Terri, regained any function after therapy? If there are, then your reasoning would make sense.
posted on April 1, 2005 03:59:15 PM new
kraft, my comments were not specified to terri's case but generalized statements about doctors and state of consciousness as it relates to life and death issues in medicine and society.
If you read any of my opinions on this specific case, I never said I thought she was cureable. I did not ever feel it was about her being "cured", but rather being accepted as "alive" in the condition she was in. And I am not angry. It's just that Fenix playing bloated harvard professor is annoying after awhile.
posted on April 1, 2005 05:07:22 PM new
Congrats Dbl - As far as miserable attention seeking, completely irrelevent posters go, you are neck and neck with Crow. Not sure why you wanted that honor but you sure seem to have fought hard to achieve it.
I'm sorry if my on topic, non-juvenile posts were boring to yo.... oh who am I kidding... I'm not in the least bit sorry. When I want to act like a little kid I go to the park. I've never quite understood why others go to a message board but hell.... whatever floats your boat.
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posted on April 1, 2005 07:17:18 PM newI hope they find nothing but the right diagnosis but I can't understand when and why all the problems started
What I meant fenix is I hope the diagnosis they had was right. When did all the family problems start and why did they. There seems to be a time when things were going good for both families. The Schlinders moved from Pennsylvania to Florida so they could be closer to her. Were the other two children in Florida or Pennsylvania? Why did they think they had to move closer to her? And when did they start not getting along with Michael.
There was one statement today that Michael made that I thought was heartless. He said his girl friend did more for Terri than her parents. She washed her clothes. Maybe that is what she did but then maybe Michael wouldn't let the Schlinders do anything for her? Who washed her clothes before the girlfriend did or did he always have a girlfriend? I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but deep down there are two many unanswered questions. Does anyone else think that or only me?
posted on April 1, 2005 07:26:25 PM newCongrats Dbl - As far as miserable attention seeking, completely irrelevant posters go, you are neck and neck with Crow....
Too Funny! So now you want to tell me whom I can reply to, and whether it's on topic or relevant to YOU, SPECIFICALLY? Well, well, ye old doctor spock here who wants to talk cerebral cortex and brain cells on a chat board full of ebay sellers, doesnt like irrelevancy in her classroom. Tsk! Tsk!
btw, You wear the title of this thread in spades, so you can have it..
posted on April 1, 2005 08:28:12 PM new Does anyone else think that or only me?
No libra. I too had wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. But I have concluded the guy does exactly what fits him to do. Even the noble, "he became a nurse thing" amounts to there werent even any capable or caring nurses enough around that met his standards for what he 'owned.' Thats how he's treated her, like something he owns and now can deny her family what ever he feels like. (I bet he's the type of guy who five minutes after it stops raining, he's out there washing and polishing is precious vehicle.)
I knew guys like him growing up. I dated them. And their obsessive need to control every minute thing is close to pathological, not to mention a royal PITA to put up with. She (Terri) had alot of friends and on Paula Zhan the other night many of them were interviewed. They didnt have a whole lot of great things to say about Michael or their relationship from what they knew either, and they painted a picture of a girl I could say I felt like I knew her like one of my own friends (or me, even) growing up. So no, its not only you, imo.
btw, the other thing I heard is except for some physical assessments, supposedly they arent going to be able to determine anything from the autopsy about her brain, etc.
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posted on April 2, 2005 09:29:08 PM new
I agree with some of the above folks about the facts of this case. The parents were truly at home, not at the hospital. Terri's brother had caused a big commotion and was asked not to be present.
And I believe it is truly possible for M. Schiavo to still care about Terri even though he's moved on in his life.
HOWEVER, one funeral would have been enough. Surely Michael S. could have worked with the parents on this. And I"m not sure how I feel about his burying her up north rather than where her parents would like her to be buried, given the current state of his life. Hmmmm. Not sure, though.
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posted on April 2, 2005 09:46:56 PM new"btw, the other thing I heard is except for some physical assessments, supposedly they arent going to be able to determine anything from the autopsy about her brain, etc."
posted on April 2, 2005 10:00:24 PM new burying her up north...
Roadsmith, supposedly she will be cremated and there will be no burial per se.
Michael Schiavos lawyer, George Felos, said a judge had already backed the cremation plan. "My client will scrupulously follow the court order," he said. "Her ashes will be interred in the Schiavo family plot in Pennsylvania, where Terri and Michael grew up."
Did you know that out of the 1.2 million awarded in her malpractice case, Felos got around $400,000 of it?
posted on April 2, 2005 10:10:13 PM new
Roady - Given their actions, is there any reason to believe that if the Shiavo's were informed of the time and place of the burial that they would not turn it into still another media circus?
Would you want to bury your wife in the presence of four family members who have accused you of beating your wife into a vegative state to the media and the courts accompnaied by the roaming circus of media outlets and three spiritual advisors, at least one of which appears to take a perverse thrill in twisting facts and portraying you as the most vile person on the face of the earth?
I know I sure as hell wouldn't and considering that they brought that circus to their daughters deathbed, there is no reason to believe they would not bring it to her gravesite.
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posted on April 3, 2005 04:30:51 AM new
I thought all you conservative Republicans believed so highly in the sanctity of marriage. So, now the conservative Republicans believe in the sanctity of marriage depending upon the circumstances?
Why does it matter where she's buried? She's not in that little jar. Her shell is. You can be just as close to a deceased loved one in the privacy of your own home. Even closer. Do you believe that your loved one only hears you when you visit their grave site? It's more likely they'll hear you from someplace they loved to be. I have had communications with both my brother and my husband, but never at their grave sites. My daughter has communicated with her father, but not at the grave site. Where someone is buried makes little difference. If you believe that when you die, that's it you're gone, there's no more you then there's little use in communicating. But, if you believe the body dies, but the spirit lives on it doesn't matter where you talk to them, they'll hear you.
Why provide the media any more chance to make a mockery of this woman's life and death? In their grief, the parents probably don't see the media's involvement as a mockery, but once they come out of all of this I think they'll feel some pain for the circus that surrounded their daughter's final days.
When all is said and done, the offering of an olive branch may have gotten them more than they know.
posted on April 4, 2005 07:36:56 AM new
Cheryl, I dont think the media made a mockery of her life at all. People responded to her situation, it's a major social issue, and they covered it. Did they overdo it? Well of course, thats what they drunkedly do with everything. That was no fault of the parents.
And as far as gravesites go, there's a whole lot of people that need that physical marker. Just because you can communicate in your home, or whatever, many cannot. Have you even been to a cemetary lately? Have you seen where people leave teddy bears, all sorts of mementoes, flowers? It's a ritualistic symbolic metaphysical type thing that trancends just being in your home. It's like a moment outside all other distractions.
I think there's alot of people that cannot attain that just "anywhere".
You are fortunate you can, but do you understand somebody else's need to do that? Like her parents?
posted on April 4, 2005 10:30:20 AM new
The post below is pure Irish ladies and gentlemen. You gotta love them or hate them there is no in between for the Irish. LOL
Irish Bookmakers Take Bets on Next Pope
Monday, April 4, 2005 12:13 PM EDT
The Associated Press
An Italian and a Nigerian cardinal are tied as Irish bookmakers' favorites to succeed Pope John Paul II.
More than 5,000 people have placed bets on who will be the next pope with Paddy Power PLC, Ireland's largest bookmaking chain.
The early favorites are Dionigi Tettamanzi of Italy and Francis Arinze of Nigeria, both listed on 11-4 odds. That means a winning $4 bet would pay out $15.
Betting resumed Monday in shops and on the Internet on the question, "Who will be the next pope?" The firm had suspended betting for one day Sunday out of respect to John Paul, who died Saturday.
The biggest bet so far, $1,300, has been on Tettamanzi. The company said most bets are for much smaller amounts.
Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga of Honduras is third with 9-2 odds, while Joseph Ratzinger of Germany and Claudio Hummes of Brazil both follow with odds of 7-1.
Jaime Lucas Ortega y Alamino of Cuba, Ennio Antonelli of Italy and Christoph Schoenborn of Austria come next, all at 14-1. Giovanni Battista Re of Italy stood alone at 16-1, while three others _ Dario Castrillon Hoyos of Colombia, and Crescenzio Sepe and Giacomo Biffi, both of Italy _ merited 18-1.
posted on April 4, 2005 10:50:02 AM new
what are Elvis's odds??
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My sex life isnt dead yet....but the buzzards are circling
but I do like Dr. Sanjay. That guy's got the nicest teeth and mouth!!