posted on May 15, 2005 09:32:29 PM new
Bigpeepa you say There has been laws on the books for years to stop the influx of millions of Mexican workers.[/] Bush did nothing to enforce.
Did Bill Clinton do anything? Now all of a sudden it is Bush's fault?
Before you post why not read what you type as sometimes it makes absolutely no sense at all as in that statement above.
posted on May 15, 2005 09:33:23 PM new
profe - I understand if some didn't want the drugs...we wouldn't be buying them. Makes no difference. We're not going to stop trying to keep them out of this country. But the point is Mexico and Fox are doing NOTHING to help us. So...we don't NEED them to help us less than they already are.
As far as the booklet goes....reported on MANY by news agencies. I'm sure they're ALL lying about it. [not] And it was printed and paid for by the poor Mexican government that can't/won't take care for their own people. Going to help them out...offer a few suggestions about how to survive the terrible struggle to come to American illegally. How to out-fox the border patrol.
profe - everybody knows of your dual citizenship....and your protective posts about anything related Mexico. Your love of that country blinds you and fenix, imo, to what's MOST important to our country's best interests. And this is one of them. Our National security.
I'll ask you the same questions I asked fenix, and am waiting for her reply.
Do you support open borders:
1) with Mexico
2) with Canada
3) with both countries
4) will all countries...just open all our borders...no restrictions at all?
5) ????
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posted on May 15, 2005 09:40:50 PM new
lol Libra - Don't you know peepa doesn't answer questions?
It's a pattern with him....he only likes to drop in and give us our 'lecture for the day'...
But you're correct in
asking just what clinton did in his 8 years to fight illegal immigration from Mexico. Did he do something to rid this country of all the illegals that were here...and I missed it? nope don't think he did.
Did HE do anything to further secure our borders during HIS 8 years, keeping the illegals from getting in?....nope...not that I heard of.
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posted on May 15, 2005 09:56:44 PM new
Just one of the many, many articles about this 'little comic book'.
yea...what a joke. ha ha ha
Washington Bureau
Jan. 6, 2005 12:00 AM
WASHINGTON -
Arizona Rep. J.D. Hayworth has written a letter of protest to the Mexican government urging a halt to its distribution of a new how-to comic book providing safety information for border crossers, calling it "state-sponsored illegal immigration."
"As an act of good faith, I call on your government to immediately cease the distribution of the Guide for the Mexican Migrant, which is only the latest flagrant example of the Mexican government's lack of respect for U.S. laws," Republican Hayworth wrote Tuesday to Mexican Ambassador Carlos de Icaza.
In an interview, Hayworth said his reaction to news of the guide reported Saturday in The Arizona Republic was "more astonishment than anger that a government that claims to want to be an active partner in preventing illegal immigration is an active and willing accomplice to engendering more illegal immigration."
Hayworth added that he and a group of other House Republicans, who call themselves the "Bloody Tongue Caucus" because they bit their tongues during the 2004 presidential election year rather than speak out more often on immigration concerns, no longer will mute themselves.
Alfonso Nieto, press secretary at the Mexican Embassy, said the ambassador had not seen Hayworth's letter but said, "The aim of the book is to save lives." He said that this is not the first time such information has been published by the Mexican government but noted that this is "a new presentation."
"It clearly states at the beginning and the end that the appropriate way to gain entry is with a passport or a visa," Nieto said. But he said it also recognizes that hundreds of Mexicans have died while trying to cross the border in clandestine ways.
The self-stated purpose of the of 32-page comic book published by Mexico's Foreign Ministry is to give would-be undocumented immigrants some "practical advice." But it offers no detailed information on applying for U.S. visas.
Instead, it gives tips on such things as what to wear when crossing rivers or how to avoid dehydration when crossing the desert. The information is being distributed as a free supplement to El Libro Vaquero, a popular cowboy comic book.
White House spokesman Taylor Gross on Wednesday said he had not seen a copy of the guide and would not comment on it directly. But he said that "the president has an excellent working relationship with the Mexican government" and that both governments "are committed to ensuring migration into the U.S. is safe, orderly and legal."
Even so, Hayworth's letter comes amid political bluster on both sides of the border over immigration issues.
On Dec. 22, the Mexican Foreign Ministry issued a statement criticizing Arizona's Proposition 200, saying it "encourages acts of discrimination based on an ethnic profile."
That measure, approved by Arizona voters in November, requires state and local employees to verify the immigration status of people applying for public benefits and report undocumented immigrants or face possible criminal prosecution.
Last week, lawmakers from the leftist Democratic Revolution Party, the third-largest contingent in the Mexican Congress, urged President Vicente Fox to withdraw the Mexican ambassador to Washington to protest Proposition 200. Fox ignored them.
The flare-up over the guide also comes at a time when President Bush, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and other lawmakers are trying to win congressional support for a guest-worker program that could provide large numbers of Mexicans temporary work visas, while other Republicans are pointing to the threat of terrorism as a reason to further restrict immigration.
In his letter, Hayworth warns, "Mexico's state sponsorship of illegal immigration is nothing less than an act of deliberate hostility against the United States - an attack on our sovereignty - and it must cease before it does permanent damage to our relationship."
"The Mexican government has expressed support for an accountable guest-worker program," Hayworth adds. "However, such a program is simply not possible as long as the illegal invasion of America's borders continues with the active encouragement of the Mexican government."
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Mexico City correspondent Chris Hawley contributed to this article.
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posted on May 16, 2005 03:31:22 AM new
"Did HE do anything to further secure our borders during HIS 8 years, keeping the illegals from getting in?....nope...not that I heard of."
yea but he DID let some of his favorite crooks out of jail 15 minutes before he left office...so he wasnt like he didnt do anything.
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posted on May 16, 2005 04:10:48 AM new
ROFLMAO. . .when all else fails blaim Clinton. Like there were no other presidents besides Clinton. How about Bush, Sr.? What did he do about the boarders? Regan? Carter? Nixon? Johnson? Kennedy? You guys are a hoot.
posted on May 16, 2005 04:33:58 AM new
"when all else fails blaim Clinton"
ahhhhhh did ya every thing about investing in a spell checker??
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posted on May 16, 2005 04:36:17 AM new
Linda, your heavily bolded c/p article on JD Hayworth's letter clearly states that the comic book is designed to save lives, not teach or encourage people to illegally enter the U.S. You make my point very well, thanks.
In answer to your question, No, I don't support wide open borders with either Canada or Mexico. Nor do I support sealed borders with either country. While I'm not exactly nuts about the impact of globalization, it's a fact. Our economy depends on other countries.
Personally, I think a system like the one President Bush has suggested will be the best way to keep track of who is in this country and what they're up to.
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Dick Cheney: "I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11..."
posted on May 16, 2005 07:02:46 AM new
Linda - in answers to your questions, I do not support wide open borders however I do support migrant workers visas and the increase in work visas that Bush had proposed that open the borders to those that are willing to work for employers that are willing to employ them.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on May 16, 2005 08:19:49 AM new
Excuse the faux pas, Classic. I know you have NEVER made a spelling error in your life. I bow to you oh mighty speller.
posted on May 16, 2005 09:13:59 AM new
What I strongly object about the illegal aliens is that they come here to have their babies and those babies become American Citizens and now we are responsible for them.
That seems pretty smart to me and if they can figure that out then they are not as stupid as we think. Maybe we need to start, for a lack of a better word, segregating the Mexicans. Men can come in women can't. What do you suggest to stop this problem. It will soon be a major one, if it isn't now...
posted on May 16, 2005 09:25:14 AM new
excuse the what??
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posted on May 16, 2005 09:48:06 AM new
Wow Libra - and you thought Fox's comment was racist?
At this point - I gotta take a page from the Prof book and take a leave of this thread. The the ignorance and arrogance are getting to be way too much for me.
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posted on May 16, 2005 10:11:15 AM new
Wow libra, you are so racist and sexist! Why am I not surprised ?????
YOU says, "That seems pretty smart to me and if they can figure that out then they are not as stupid as we think. Maybe we need to start, for a lack of a better word, segregating the Mexicans. Men can come in women can't. What do you suggest to stop this problem. It will soon be a major one, if it isn't now... ""
Who's the "we" ?
I have never thought one race or another is smarter than any other....it's racist to do so....is it christian ????
HILARIOUS...she thinks if only men come into this country they won't get any women pregnant ?????
But I do agree that, like Ireland, we should not allow someone, ANYONE, asylum, citizenship or anything else just because they had a baby on U.S. soil.
posted on May 16, 2005 10:29:35 AM new
What did I expect from fenix and crowfarm. You fenix that is moving to mexico and crowfarm should. It is a game of now follow the leader.
Do you think it is right for us to pay for those American Children born of illegal aliens? Answer me that question and maybe you can change my mind.
We can't even take care of our own let alone another countries. This board is full of complaints about the american poor and the working poor. You crowfarm are the one besides another one that crows the most. Crowfarm it is not going to hurt me in anyway but it will hurt you in the long run. It won't hurt fenix at all as she will live in Mexico.
Anyone is smarter than you crowfarm as shown by your ignorance the way you post. The name calling etc.
Wow crowfarm you sure twisted my words around as you usually do. Evidently you can't speak for yourself as you cut and paste every poster in here.
I doubt if you crowfarm has lived or worked in a community full of illegal aliens that can't speak English and have the young child translate for them. Parents that are 30 years old and have many children. People using each others insurance to pay for their medical care because they don't have any. I have been there and seen that.
You crowfarm are the poster child for Americas working poor and poor. There will be a lot more so you might as well get used to it.
posted on May 16, 2005 10:48:12 AM new
libra, what has moving to Mexico or being poor have to do with calling you a racist ?
Nothing.
YOU made a racist statement. Twist your words ???'No, libra, it's right there in English...
"""That seems pretty smart to me and if they can figure that out then they are not as stupid as we think. ""
Then you say,""I doubt if you crowfarm has lived or worked in a community full of illegal aliens that can't speak English and have the young child translate for them. Parents that are 30 years old and have many children. People using each others insurance to pay for their medical care because they don't have any. I have been there and seen that.""
Uh,libra, I live 25 minutes from St.Paul/Minneapolis and work closer.........
Then you say,""Do you think it is right for us to pay for those American Children born of illegal aliens? Answer me that question and maybe you can change my mind.""
If you had READ my post you would see I answered that.......
Then you say as an INSULT,""You crowfarm are the poster child for Americas working poor and poor. There will be a lot more so you might as well get used to it. """
There will be a lot more....of course there will with bushy in office....I'm glad you agree
posted on May 16, 2005 10:58:34 AM new "Do you think it is right for us to pay for those American Children born of illegal aliens?"
Absolutely! Children should not be discriminated against based on their parent's immigration status. Children born in this country should be afforded every opportunity than any other child born here may enjoy.
posted on May 16, 2005 11:09:46 AM new
Helen, I believe that illegal children born here should be taken care of....but neither they , nor their parents, should be automatically declared citizens.
Ireland, realizing it's size, has said that having a baby on their soil does not mean they , or their parents, are citizens. They aren't being mean, they are being practical.
Countries do not expand to accomodate immigrants and this presents huge problems.
posted on May 16, 2005 11:24:30 AM new
Each year, thousands of women enter the United States illegally to give birth, knowing that their child will thus have U.S. citizenship. Their children immediately qualify for a slew of federal, state, and local benefit programs. In addition, when the children turn 21, they can sponsor the immigration of other relatives, becoming "anchor babies" for an entire clan.
In 1994, Alma Meza Guitierrez traveled hundreds of miles with her three year old son through Mexico and across the U.S. border in order to reach her aunt and uncle’s small apartment in San Diego. She lives in squalid conditions in the apartment’s kitchen, she does not speak English and has little prospects for employment. Why would a 20-year-old mother of one give up her life in Mexico to endure such circumstances? Alma is pregnant and she, like thousands of other women who enter the United States illegally each year, knows that giving birth in the U.S. means her child will be an’anchor baby’ and granted U..S. citizenship. For Alma, that means her child will immediately qualify for a slew of federal, state and local benefit programs. In addition, when Alma’s child turns 21,he can sponsor the immigration of other members of the Guitierrez clan."
"Born In the USA,"
San Diego Union-Tribune, February 20,1994
posted on May 16, 2005 11:26:24 AM new
LOL classic...now there's a women who shows you respect.
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helen says: It must take a lot of courage and fortitude to be an illegal immigrant.
Hey...suggestion box time....why don't YOU try it to learn just how wrong you are....and stop that heart of yours from bleeding.
They're BREAKING our country's laws.....
It appears helen supports the game some Mexican women play...get up here....have your baby...get to stay for free.
I'd bet she even supports/agrees with old V. Fox when he scoulded AZ for passing laws he didn't like. Someone needs to remind HIM which country he's President OF. It's NOT this one..
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posted on May 16, 2005 11:27:08 AM new
" Wow Libra - and you thought Fox's comment was racist?
At this point - I gotta take a page from the Prof book and take a leave of this thread. The the ignorance and arrogance are getting to be way too much for me. "
Fenix-I wouldnt talk if I were you.If I remember about 6 months crowfart chewed your hiney out for calling people in the middle east
"towelheads"
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posted on May 16, 2005 11:30:32 AM new
Linda-didnt know what Cheryl was talking about-thought she had some gas and was "passing" on the information
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posted on May 16, 2005 11:40:54 AM new
Ya, classic and I let YOU have it when you agreed that doctors should sterilize Native Americans women without them knowing.
One of the reasons you don't like me.....the doormat women in here ignored that nasty remark.....I didn't.
posted on May 16, 2005 11:48:20 AM new
lol classic - But..but..but her delivery was sooo much nicer than others have been.
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profe - comic book is designed to save lives, not teach or encourage people to illegally enter the U.S. You make my point very well, thanks.
Obviously not, profe, since you missed the point entirely. The book, rather than teaching them what they need to do to survive, COULD have just recommended they DON'T DO IT AT ALL.....because they might die....rather than thumb their noses at our laws.
You know...the old saying...Just Say NO!!
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posted on May 16, 2005 11:48:36 AM new
Woo Hoo! you live 25 miles from St.Paul, Minneapolis. What has that to do with it.
They gave you a drivers license?
You prove from my statement that I am a racist.
If we don't have enough money to help the poor where will we find money to help those children.. Everyone wants a better life but not take away from the children of the country.
posted on May 16, 2005 11:49:39 AM new
no,the reason I dont like ya is you're fat and ugly with hair under your armpits that look like a large rodent
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posted on May 16, 2005 11:50:45 AM new
lol classic - But..but..but her delivery was sooo much nicer than others have been.
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profe - comic book is designed to save lives, not teach or encourage people to illegally enter the U.S. You make my point very well, thanks.
Obviously not, profe, since you missed the point entirely. The book, rather than teaching them what they need to do to survive, COULD have just recommended they DON'T DO IT AT ALL.....because they might die....rather than thumb their noses at our laws.
You know...the old saying...Just Say NO!!
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