posted on May 16, 2005 11:51:52 AM new
lol classic - But..but..but her delivery was sooo much nicer than others have been.
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profe - comic book is designed to save lives, not teach or encourage people to illegally enter the U.S. You make my point very well, thanks.
Obviously not, profe, since you missed the point entirely. The book, rather than teaching them what they need to do to survive, COULD have just recommended they DON'T DO IT AT ALL.....because they might die....rather than thumb their noses at our laws.
You know...the old saying...Just Say NO!!
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posted on May 16, 2005 11:55:22 AM new
Woo Hoo! you live 25 miles from St.Paul, Minneapolis. What has that to do with it.
They gave you a drivers license?
You prove from my statement that I am a racist.
If we don't have enough money to help the poor where will we find money to help those children. Everyone wants a better life but not take away from the children of our country.
I see classic is right on top of information
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[ edited by Libra63 on May 16, 2005 11:56 AM ]
posted on May 16, 2005 12:09:08 PM new
That is not a racist statement, it is a statement of fact. They are smart people to be able to figure out coming to America will give them a better life even if they have to sneak over.
posted on May 16, 2005 12:09:48 PM new
whats the matter crow?? you've been doing it for months-dont like it when someone else does it
DO YOU????
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posted on May 16, 2005 12:14:49 PM new
libra you really are as ignorant as I've always thought.
This is a racist remark right here , "they are not as stupid as we think.""""
Classic , just like most of your opinions this one about me is based on nothing.....you have never seen me and your childish "you're ugly" post isn't even original.
And, of course, your SEGUE about repeat posts is also innaccurate...can't you get anything right ?
I NEVER said I didn't like it....
Now you and the racist libra have fun...racists belong together......maybe you can autograph each other's white sheets
posted on May 16, 2005 12:16:45 PM newThat seems pretty smart to me and if they can figure that out then they are not as stupid as we think. Maybe we need to start, for a lack of a better word, segregating the Mexicans. Men can come in women can't.
What a terrible thing to say, Libra63.
Reading this forum all these years and many of the truly ignorant comments made about people from other countries helps me to understand why this world is the way it is. I've never seen such intolerance for others in all my life.
not as stupid as we think.
Who is "WE", Libra63? Who are you speaking for?
And why are you rolling on the floor laughing with such a red face? Are you embarrassed over what you said?
posted on May 16, 2005 12:27:10 PM new
And, of course, your SEGUE about repeat posts is also innaccurate...can't you get anything right ?
I NEVER said I didn't like it....
is that right?? why did you even bother to mention it then??
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posted on May 16, 2005 12:46:53 PM new
My mother's side of the family came here legally. They had to be sponsored, they had to be in school or have a job. Then they became citizens.
People do come here to make a better life for themselves. Example: The landscaper who has taken care of my parents yard since the early 80's. When he became citizen he asked my parents and their friends (clients) to write letters for him. After he became a citizen he brought his wife and kids here.
On the other hand my aunt knew a guy came here from South America. Instead of getting a job, he learned how to sue everyone. He even bragged about he how "took" people/companies.
I think the Americans have a problem with people not trying to fit in with the culture. Some people do not even bother to learn English.
It's upsetting to legal immigrants to see people come here and get services right away.
What I never understood is why Mexico has not developed it's self. The times I have been to Central America, I take notice of all of the natural resources they are blessed with. Such a shame.
posted on May 16, 2005 12:59:47 PM new
"Helen, I believe that illegal children born here should be taken care of....but neither they , nor their parents, should be automatically declared citizens."
"Ireland, realizing it's size, has said that having a baby on their soil does not mean they , or their parents, are citizens." "They aren't being mean, they are being practical."
"Countries do not expand to accomodate immigrants and this presents huge problems."
With seven million illegal immigrants already in this country, I believe that the "practical" thing to do is focus on border security rather than snatch children away from their parents or send the families out of the country. Immigrants are part of the work force in this country. That's a fact that can't be ignored.
Until borders are secured, this country should be responsible for those people who enter it whether by legal or by what some consider illegal means.
posted on May 16, 2005 01:06:17 PM new
Helen, I never recommended "snatching " babies away from their parents. My position is that the child should not be automatically declared a citizen just because it was born here.
I agree that our borders should be tightened....this country will not get magically bigger to accomodate the needs of the millions, legal or otherwise, who come here.
posted on May 16, 2005 01:32:56 PM new
By TRACI CARL Associated Press Writer
The Associated Press
MEXICO CITY May 16, 2005
— President Vicente Fox refused to apologize Monday for saying Mexicans in the United States do the work that blacks won't a comment widely viewed as acceptable in a country where blackface comedy is still considered funny and nicknames often reflect skin color.
Oh my, my, my....not yet PC
Fox's spokesman, Ruben Aguilar, said Mexican and foreign news media have misinterpreted the remark as a racial slur. He said the president was speaking in defense of Mexican migrants as they come under attack by the new U.S. immigration measures that include a wall along the U.S.-California border.
There is a God.
Stung by the U.S. crackdown on illegal immigrants, many Mexicans including Mexico City's archbishop said Fox was just stating a fact.
"The president was just telling the truth," said Celedonio Gonzalez, a 35-year-old carpenter who worked illegally in Dallas for six months in 2001. "Mexicans go to the United States because they have to. Blacks want to earn better wages, and the Mexican because he is illegal takes what they pay him."
But the Rev. Jesse Jackson said Fox should apologize.
"His statement had the impact of being inciting and divisive," Jackson said Monday, noting that in many U.S. cities tensions are already high between blacks and Latinos because they compete for scarce jobs and often have children crowded into underfunded schools.
Well...if Jessie says so...then we just KNOW Fox will.
Another American civil rights activist, the Rev. Al Sharpton, said the comment was especially disturbing because Fox was educated in the United States and "he is not unaware of the racial sensitivities here."
AND more back up for Jessie.
Fox made the comment Friday during a public appearance in Puerto Vallarta, saying: "There's no doubt that Mexican men and women full of dignity, willpower and a capacity for work are doing the work that not even blacks want to do in the United States."
Responding to the criticism during his daily news conference Monday, Aguilar read a statement expressing Fox's "enormous respect for minorities, whatever their racial, ethnic or religious origin."
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Mexico's Fox Defends Comments About Blacks
Mexico's President Vicente Fox speaks at a ceremony Tuesday, May 10, 2005, in Mexico City. Fox made headlines on Saturday, May 14, 2005, with a comment on the work ethic of Mexicans in the United States, saying Mexican migrants "are doing the work that not even blacks want to do in the United States."
"The purpose (of the comment) was none other than to show the importance [b]Mexican workers have today in the development and progress of U.S. society[b]," Aguilar said, repeating a statement released Saturday.
He refused to comment further, saying only that Fox would "intensify his diplomatic efforts to protect the integrity of the Mexicans living in that country."
The dispute reflects Fox's growing frustration with U.S. immigration policypoor baby and deteriorating relations between the two nations.
The Mexican government was expected to send a diplomatic letter to the United States on Monday protesting recent measures that include requiring states to verify that people who apply for a driver's license are in the country legally, making it harder for migrants of course he's speaking about [b]ILLEGALS to gain amnesty, and overriding environmental laws to build a barrier along the California border with Mexico[/b].
The measures have been widely criticized in Mexico, where residents increasingly see the United States as adopting anti-migrant policies. Yep....we want them to enter LEGALLY, not break our laws.
Even Cardinal Norberto Rivera Carrera, the archbishop of Mexico City, criticized the U.S. policy as ridiculous and defended Fox's comments, saying: "The declaration had nothing to do with racism. It is a reality in the United States that anyone can prove."
may be true...but it's certainly not PC to SAY it here.
While Mexico has a few, isolated black communities, the population is dominated by descendants of the country's Spanish colonizers and its native Indians. Comments that would generally be considered openly racist in the United States generate little attention here.
One afternoon television program regularly features a comedian in blackface chasing actresses in skimpy outfits , while an advertisement for a small, chocolate pastry called the "negrito" the little black man shows a white boy sprouting an afro as he eats the sweet. Many people hand out nicknames based on skin color.
Victor Hugo Flores, a 30-year-old bond salesman, cringed when asked what he thought of Fox's comment, but said it isn't too different from popular sayings celebrating what Mexicans see as a strong work ethic among blacks.
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"It was bad, but it really isn't racist," he said. "Maybe the president shouldn't have said it. But here we say things like, 'He works like a black person,' and it's normal."
Oh well just wait 'til the PC police get their hands on you.
On the Net:
http://envivo.presidencia.gob.mx/?NLangen
National Writer Erin Texeira contributed to this story.
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[ edited by Linda_K on May 16, 2005 01:50 PM ]
posted on May 16, 2005 01:47:32 PM new
crowfarm you always call people ignorant when they don't agree with you. Well who are you. It seems like you give us your opinion over and over and it has been so far 5 times that you have posted on this page.
No I am laughing that the state of minnesota giving crowfarm a drivers license. Not me Kiara, I am also laughing at you sitting in the weeds waiting to pounce. Is there somewhere where it says I can't do emotions Kiara?
Oh Kiara you are so foreign. Why do you keep dual citizenship? Why not give up your US one and just keep the Canadian one?
They are smart people to figure out how to get a better life that is what I said. There are some here in the US that haven't figured that out yet. You have to agree with that. Well I doubt if you will though. How did they find out they could do that? Explain that to me.
Well crowfarm if you don't know it when a baby is born in an American Hospital they automatically become citizens. There is no way to get around it.
Oh crowfarm you are so far off base in what you type. I didn't suggest abstinence I suggested planned ParentHood...not abortion. Get it.
OBTW evidentially you can bring up old topics in new threads but others can't.
posted on May 16, 2005 02:33:04 PM new
Libra, i was trying to get that puff smiley to work for me, but I cant find it again. I did find this one though. You can use it to scare kiara when she asks how you have the nerve to use one. lol
posted on May 16, 2005 03:36:48 PM new
Libra says, "Well crowfarm if you don't know it when a baby is born in an American Hospital they automatically become citizens. There is no way to get around it.
Oh crowfarm you are so far off base in what you type. I didn't suggest abstinence I suggested planned ParentHood...not abortion. Get it.
OBTW evidentially you can bring up old topics in new threads but others can't. """
My gawd you ARE ignorant!
WHERE DID I SAY that babies born in America AREN'T automatically citizens ?
What the hell has Planned Parenthood got to do with anything ,,,,,,,,you racist !!!!!
And since WHEN are we allowed (by you) a certain number of posts per page ???
You seem to have gone over the limit !
[ edited by crowfarm on May 16, 2005 03:45 PM ]
posted on May 16, 2005 04:30:58 PM new
::What I never understood is why Mexico has not developed it's self. The times I have been to Central America, I take notice of all of the natural resources they are blessed with. Such a shame.::
Pop - I think it's pretty fair to say that Mexico is still trying to recover from the 95 devaluing of the Peso. Here is a country and it's people, rolling along, trying to make a living, trying to thrive and survive in a world market when *BAM* in one single fell swoop, their currency is devalued by over 50%. Instead of 3.5 pesos being equal to 1 dollar, it was suddenly 7.3 pesos. That's not something that countries don't recoves from in a short period of time.
The other problem is that events such as this resulted in people leaving the smaller towns heading for the larger cities and border cities where there was more work and higher wages. Now you have town through the interior where the only males are the children because the others have left to try to find ways to suport their families back home. These areas are not growing and developing because they are busy tryingto simply survive.
The country is working to develop and grow and prosper but it is not something that is accomplished over night. We could help them, and in helping them we would stem the tide of illegal immigration and greatly decrease all of the expenses that accompany it but then who would republicans have to demonize?
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
[ edited by fenix03 on May 16, 2005 04:33 PM ]
posted on May 16, 2005 05:04:47 PM new
fenix, why are you going there, then? Do you think you were a Mexican in a former life? (not being funny...wondering...)
posted on May 16, 2005 05:34:30 PM new
Because I enjoy new experiences, I enjoy exploring and I really enjoy the people and the art. The people in Mexico are amazing. I don't know how to describe it. There is just something about the peole and the atmosphere that is so.... not hectic. Then there are some of the native artists and artforms and styles. And the food... to this day I still think the best meal you'll ever have is the 3am stop at the roadside taco stand with tacos and green onions right off the grill and a cane sugar coke.
I think one of the biggest misconceptions that Americans have about Mexicans is that all just want to be Americans. The ones I've met wandering and the ones I have worked with love their country and the sense of community and family that exists there that just is not here. Kids can still play in the street and everyone knows everyone in the neighborhood.
Sure there are negatives aspects and there are bad areas but.... at the end of the day, the good outweighs the bad... for me. Part of that of course is that I won't be trying to live on Mexican wages. They come here for the same reason the settlers came west. They sacrifice to create a better life for their families.
I also absolutely LOVE the challenges involved in creating new businesses and that's what the goal is. I'm hoping to set up a business that works with local artisans and manufacturers in a way that is mutually beneficial to them and to small business owners/home based workers here. We shall see.
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[ edited by fenix03 on May 16, 2005 05:36 PM ]
posted on May 16, 2005 05:34:34 PM new
" but then who would republicans have to demonize? "
I could give you a list,but I dont think I have enough room here.
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posted on May 16, 2005 11:48:13 PM new
Mexico's Fox Apologizes for Black Comment
Updated 10:55 PM ET May 16, 2005
By TRACI CARL
MEXICO CITY (AP) - President Vicente Fox reversed course Monday and apologized for saying that Mexicans in the United States do the work that blacks won't.
Despite growing criticism that included a stern U.S. response, Fox had repeatedly refused to back away from the comments he made Friday, saying his remark had been misinterpreted.
But in telephone conversations with the Rev. Jesse Jackson and the Rev. Al Sharpton, the president said he "regretted" the statement.
"The president regretted any hurt feelings his statements may have caused," the Foreign Relations Department said in a press statement. "He expressed the great respect he and his administration has for the African-American community in the United States."
Jackson told Fox that he was sure the president had no racist intent, and suggested the two meet to discuss joint strategies between blacks and immigrant groups in the United States, Aguilar said.
Fox agreed to set up a visit to Mexico by Jackson, Sharpton and a group of American black leaders.
Despite Fox's latest comment, many Mexicans _ stung by a new U.S. crackdown on illegal immigrants _ didn't see the remark as offensive. Blackface comedy is still considered funny here and many people hand out nicknames based on skin color.
"The president was just telling the truth," said Celedonio Gonzalez, a 35-year-old carpenter who worked illegally in Dallas for six months in 2001. "Mexicans go to the United States because they have to. Blacks want to earn better wages, and the Mexican _ because he is illegal _ takes what they pay him."
Earlier Fox's spokesman, Ruben Aguilar, said Fox's comments were in defense of Mexican migrants as they come under attack by new U.S. immigration measures that include a wall along the Mexico-California border, and were not meant to offend anybody.
State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City had raised the issue with the Mexican government. "That's a very insensitive and inappropriate way to phrase this and we would hope that (the Mexicans) would clarify the remarks," Boucher said.
Lisa Catanzarite, a sociologist at Washington State University, disputed Fox's assertion. She said there is intense competition for lucrative working class jobs like construction and that employers usually prefer to hire immigrants who don't know their rights.
"What Vicente Fox called a willingness to work ... translates into extreme exploitability," she said.
The book, rather than teaching them what they need to do to survive, COULD have just recommended they DON'T DO IT AT ALL.....because they might die....rather than thumb their noses at our laws.
