posted on May 16, 2005 06:33:09 PM new
As a matter of fact, Linda, I do have quite a sense of humor. It's just that it sort of vanishes when involved in a discussion with you.
But then you turn around and give as your source the People For The American Way? LOL A self-described leftist group.
Precisely which of the occurrences of voter intimidation that I posted do you discount, Linda? These are real instances of US citizens being badgered into staying home.
By the way, in your post above, you've made it look like the entire thing is an Associated Press article. It's not, the second half is a series of clips from the website of "Accountability Utah", another anti immigration group.
Interesting that you find it necessary to lamely disguise opinion as an AP news report.
Nice try.
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posted on May 16, 2005 08:05:01 PM new
Oh boy....touchy touchy profe.
While it's constantly okay for you and other lefties here to discount reasonable rightie news venues....and while you and other lefties chastise me for it all the time, it appears it's okay for you to do exactly the same with 'leftie, anti-right sites'.
And then you use a source to prove your statements that identifies itself as:
Their goal:
"We're fighting to maintain and expand 50 years of legal and social justice progress that right-wing leaders are trying to dismantle. We won't let them turn back the clock on our rights and freedoms."
Now that's funny.
So as I see it, and I'm sure many others do too, it's okay for YOU to support your statements by using a left winged site...but not okay for anyone else to support theirs unless they do the same? LOL
As far as my ap and Utah posts go. Not ONE BIT DIFFERENT than I've been doing here since the first day I started posting here.
For you to try and smear me by implying I was mixing the two together...thus trying to 'pull' something....is YOUR problem - and VERY untrue. I wasn't and there's a CLEAR separation between the two stories with the usual ----- I use to separate my posts.
Haven't seen you mentioning all the leftie copy and pastes that don't even give ANY hint as to where they've been taken from. Your double standard for the left and the right is is GLOWING profe, both in your left winged source and in your calling me on what you don't call anyone else on.
Seems I've hit a little nerve there somewhere.
Most American's don't want illegals here. Most don't want illegals voting. No suprise that you get a little more than sensitive when ANYONE doesn't see it your way.
And also on the 'disinfranchasized' voters. Seems to have offended you that I pointed out how the left is ALWAYS using this as their complaint....the right has 'pressured', in some way, the lefties favorite victims. Most often there are NO charges made....when investigated there are reasonable reasons things went down the way they did. Just like in FL when some couldn't figure out how to punch a card. NOT the right disinfranchasing them....their own problems/fault.
And you DIDN'T show anything but the long list of alligations the left is always using....no proof the accusations are true. Nor that they're anything more than false alligations against the republicans. As usual MO for the dems. Don't win the election....find some false reason to point to why you lost ...AGAIN.
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posted on May 18, 2005 05:29:56 AM newAs far as my ap and Utah posts go. Not ONE BIT DIFFERENT than I've been doing here since the first day I started posting here.
For you to try and smear me by implying I was mixing the two together...thus trying to 'pull' something....is YOUR problem - and VERY untrue. I wasn't and there's a CLEAR separation between the two stories with the usual ----- I use to separate my posts.
Haven't seen you mentioning all the leftie copy and pastes that don't even give ANY hint as to where they've been taken from. Your double standard for the left and the right is is GLOWING profe, both in your left winged source and in your calling me on what you don't call anyone else on.
When kids are called on the carpet for misbehavior, one of the first things they'll usually try is "but so and so does it too and he never gets in trouble!!"
Sorry, justifying your deceptive mixing of news and opinion by saying others do it too won't wash.
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posted on May 18, 2005 08:57:20 AM new
Ah now profe - When kids are called on the carpet for misbehavior, one of the first things they'll usually try is "but so and so does it too and he never gets in trouble!!"
In that case then, YOU shouldn't be showing favorites. Your again showing your double standards. I'm sure the parents in your class would be objecting when YOU only call some of the 'kids' on their behavior but not others. It's your double standard....not mine.
And me pointing out YOUR double standard...then gets you to point out mine. Now THAT'S childish profe.
Sorry, justifying your deceptive mixing of news and opinion by saying others do it too won't wash.
No need to be sorry....and I'm not justifying any such thing, I'm pointing out just how bad the situation is becoming. Give them drivers licenses...THEN they can vote. You just WRONG.
I understand it bothers those of you who approve of illegals being given drivers licenses, and a ton of other FREEBIES that American taxpayers foot the bill for when they're in the US illegally.
As I previously posted:
1. 58,000+ Illegal Aliens Get Utah Driver's License
A February 8, 2005, audit conducted by the Office of the Legislative Auditor General revealed what we have been warning citizens about for years:
"Utah has issued over 58,000 driver licenses to individuals who appear to be undocumented aliens. Personal identification cards were issued to another 37,000 individuals who also appear to be undocumented aliens...
Utah is used as a portal by undocumented aliens to obtain a driver's license."
How is this possible?
Illegal aliens — criminals — obtain matricula consular cards and use these as valid forms of identification to circumvent American immigration laws and fraudulently obtain drivers licenses.
According to the audit, Utah statute also permits them to use Individual Tax Identification Numbers (ITIN) issued by the U.S. Internal Revenue "Service" (IRS) for those who do not qualify for a Social Security Number.
2. Hundreds of Criminals Register to Vote
In addition to pilfering driver's licenses, the legislative audit found that illegals are registering to vote, and are voting, in our elections.
Under the caption, "Voter Registration List Includes 383 Individuals with ITINs, Most Appear To Be Undocumented Aliens":
"Of those who appear to be undocumented aliens who were issued a driver license or personal identification card, 383 also registered to vote... We asked the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency to research the 383 to identify their immigration status. After examining a sample of 135 registered voters from our list, the agency reported that five were naturalized citizens who were eligible to vote. However, 20 were "deportable" and one was a legal permanent resident, none of whom are eligible to vote. The remaining 109 were described as having no record and 'likely to be illegal aliens' who would also be ineligible to vote.
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So profe...the audit above is NOT someones opinion. And it appears that has hit a HUGE nerve in you. Get used to it...currently our Congress is looking into passing a Federal law so that illegals CAN'T VOTE in any US elections.
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posted on May 18, 2005 10:34:00 AM new
Ya, Kraft, when linduh hits six smilies a nerve has been hit or she has taken one.
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posted on May 18, 2005 10:43:23 AM new
Well...crowfarm and KD...whether with a laughing smilie or not....I don't appreciate either of you implying I take ANY illegal drugs, because I don't. And that's opposed to those here who have stated they do use illegal drugs.
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kraftdinner - posted on May 18, 2005 10:27:01 AM
Wow, I'm pooped just from reading this thread. Is Vendio giving out free bennies or something?
crowfarm
posted on May 18, 2005 10:34:00 AM
Ya, Kraft, when linduh hits six smilies a nerve has been hit or she has taken one.
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kraftdinner
posted on May 18, 2005 10:38:18 AM
"... she has taken one.
Yeah right, Crowfarm... one.
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posted on May 18, 2005 11:13:33 AM new
Linda, it was a joke for heaven's sake. We all know you'd be the last person to take drugs, so do you get it now? If I said caffeine, would that have been more suitable?
posted on May 18, 2005 11:23:49 AM new
KD - The law does not believe slandering another person is a JOKE>> nor do I. We are legally responsible for what we post here - please don't forget that in the future.
I didn't find your 'joke' funny. And if you had pointed it towards crowfarm I can only guess just how funny she or anyone else would take it. Imo, no differently than I.
And yes...had you used caffine...which is NOT an illegal substance, THEN I would not have commented on it. crowfarm speaks for me all the time....incorrectly of course, but I'm not going down this road with the rest of you. And I think even ol' helen might agree. Since she gets so upset at when others have implied she hits the bottle. To be clear...I have never implied that about her, but have pointed out others have when trying to make a point with her when's she's doing the same to others.
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posted on May 18, 2005 11:42:11 AM new
Okay, a show of hands. How many here are tired of hearing the words "double standard"? Someone care to count how many times it's used for the next couple of weeks? Could make an interesting thread.
posted on May 18, 2005 11:54:59 AM new
lol...now the one who won't ask her own questions, but would prefer another ask them for her....wants a show of hands. Why? Because she's upset about the continued double standard the left shows here, daily. Oh...but it shouldn't be pointed out that the left is held to a different standard than they hold the right to.
HOW FUNNY!!
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posted on May 18, 2005 12:23:23 PM new
Linda - I think what is being largely ignored by all of these polls and such is why all of these people are registered. Do you really think that illegals walk into governemnt offices in order to register to vote? Do you think that there is some type of underground organization at work to mobilize them to overthrow our government at the polls? Lets be real. The blame for all of these documentless indivuduals (most of whom are problem not actually illegal mainly because they do not actualy exist) falls squarely on the shoulders of the DNC and GOP.
What in the world do you think is going to happen when you take the most desperate of the unemployed, give them a stack of paper, a clip board and a pen, drop them off at the local mall, or busy corner and tell them you are going to pay them for every person they get signed up. After about two hours of no results, they start making them up. Switch a couple street numbers around, make up a good name and poof... you just earned a buck or two. Of course no one said there can only be one person per house hold and you do have 50 of these things so why not register a couple more for that address? It happens all the time. Want to put an end to registration fraud? Ban the bounties.
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posted on May 18, 2005 03:11:37 PM new
KD - No, you're wrong. You have joked and agreed with cf many times...and it hasn't bothered me one bit.
To post a suggestion that I'm using an illegal drug...and then you and crowfarm playing with the false insinuation...was WRONG, UNCALLED FOR. You made a big mistake going there.
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fenix - Linda - I think what is being largely ignored by all of these polls and such is why all of these people are registered.
Polls, fenix? I quoted the Maryland offical who states they're having trouble getting illegals OFF their voting register lists. That's no poll. Nor is it a 'poll' from the Utah post I made. These illegals ARE voting.
Do you really think that illegals walk into governemnt offices in order to register to vote?
No, I don't. What all the links I provided speak about is all the states that do NOT require ANY identification in order for ANYone to vote. They also speak to all the absentee ballots where one only has to 'aledge' they are a US citizen to be sent a ballot to vote on. It's not as you imply...where it's just so difficult. And you well know this is the reason for NOT allowing illegals to have drivers licenses. When they apply for their license, in some states, they don't require proof of birth in this country. They don't require proof of citizenship in order for their names to be placed on the voting list. It's too easy and other links I posted show just why. [clinton's motor-voter bill]. And the loop-holes that many illegals have used to register.
Lets be real.
Contrary to what you appear to believe, I AM being real. I AM pointing out to those who aren't aware that illegals are now voting in our election process. It's not something I'm making up. It's those like you who think they aren't voting illegally when the proof is right there for you to verify. Just call Maryland voter registrar and ask HER yourself. SHE made the statement.
The blame for all of these documentless indivuduals.....falls squarely on the shoulders of the DNC and GOP.
I have stated that, here, myself for years now, fenix.
What in the world do you think is going to happen when you take the most desperate of the unemployed, give them a stack of paper, a clip board and a pen, drop them off at the local mall, or busy corner and tell them you are going to pay them for every person they get signed up. After about two hours of no results, they start making them up. Switch a couple street numbers around, make up a good name and poof... you just earned a buck or two. Of course no one said there can only be one person per house hold and you do have 50 of these things so why not register a couple more for that address?
Yes, I also believe this happens. And that's EXACTY WHY we need some sort of Federal law that forces the states to verity their registered voters. Not allow these loop-holes, false voter registration cards...etc to get though the system.
Want to put an end to registration fraud? Ban the bounties. I say make it a law their citizenship has to be proven.....no more 'honor system' it's proven there are too many who don't have a clue what the word 'honor' even means.
And too many states have just such a system in place right now...and why it's being taken advantage of, imo.
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edited to add: on the 'be real' comment. fenix, I also posted a case of a juror who sat on a trail who WAS and ILLEGAL person.
And again, in one of those links you can read for yourself...that one way one of our states checks to see IF illegals are on their voter registration lists is by keeping tabs on those same person's who ARE registered to vote....BUT refuse to serve on jury duty stating they're not citizens.
I think we're all aware of where our local courts get the names of people to call on for jury duty.
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posted on May 18, 2005 04:16:22 PM newIn that case then, YOU shouldn't be showing favorites. Your again showing your double standards. I'm sure the parents in your class would be objecting when YOU only call some of the 'kids' on their behavior but not others. It's your double standard....not mine.
My post was regarding your apparently deliberate misuse of quoted material Linda, not somebody else's. Just like we tell a child who has been reprimanded, this is about your behavior, not so and so's. Any parent who would excuse their child's misbehavior just because someone else got away with it is a poor parent.
I'd suggest you try this logic on a cop the next time you get stopped for speeding. "But officer, everybody speeds on this stretch". You can bet that excuse will go over like a fart in church....not that you ever would get stopped of course.
And Cheryl, please can I put my hand down now?
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posted on May 18, 2005 04:28:54 PM new
Linda, I've been joking around with you for 5 years now. Since when have you not been able to tell when I was joking? I don't buy it. Of course, if you insist on getting lawyers involved, I have my team all ready to go waiting for your claim.
P.S. I accused Helen of being tanked one night long ago and she laughed her head off.
posted on May 18, 2005 04:49:20 PM new
Arrests sought in election fraud
2 accused of falsifying voter registration cards
By DERRICK NUNNALLY and GREG J. BOROWSKI
[email protected]
Posted: May 11, 2005
Two arrest warrants were issued Wednesday alleging election fraud by two voter-registration workers employed last year to sign up new voters.
According to warrants filed by the Milwaukee County district attorney's office, Urelene Lilly, 48, and Marcus L. Lewis, 23, both admitted to authorities that they filled out multiple voter-registration cards using fictitious information to earn money from Project Vote, which paid workers such as them $40 per day plus $1.75 for each registration above the daily quota of 24 new voters.
Project Vote registered about 40,800 names in Milwaukee County alone, according to a national spokesman.
District Attorney E. Michael McCann would not say when or if more information on other allegations of voter fraud might be available.
The warrant filed for Lilly says she was addicted to crack cocaine when the alleged fraud happened, and that she handed in "approximately 75 fraudulent voter registration cards," using names taken from the phone book, made-up birthdates and Social Security numbers, then had her 15-year-old daughter sign each card. She turned in no valid registrations, the warrant says, and is charged in connection with nine registrations for people who didn't vote in the November presidential election.
Lewis' warrant says he was fired by Project Vote for submitting a registration card in the name of a dead person, but before he did that, he allegedly turned in duplicate cards for the same voter on "numerous" occasions. He admitted turning in multiple entries for some family members, the warrant says.
Lilly and Lewis were charged with five felonies each: three counts of forgery, one count of election fraud and one count of misconduct in public office, because they had been sworn in as deputy voter registrars for the registration effort. If convicted as charged, each could face a maximum possible sentence of 25 years in prison.
The charges came a day after McCann and U.S. Attorney Steve Biskupic announced that their probe into election irregularities in the city of Milwaukee had turned up clear evidence of voter fraud.
The probe, launched in January after reports by the Journal Sentinel detailed widespread election problems, found more than 200 felons who illegally voted in the city, while still on probation or parole, and at least another 100 cases in which people voted twice, or used fake names, false addresses or the names of dead people to vote.
Investigators also said officials had been unable to eliminate a 7,000-vote gap cited by the newspaper, in which more ballots were counted than people who had been recorded as voting. City officials had resolved some of the questions, but investigators said a gap of about 4,600 remains.
Biskupic and McCann also said they had found about 65 false names that had been submitted by deputy registrars, such as the two charged Wednesday.
Additional charges are expected to be filed. Prosecutors have warned, however, that the cases may be hard to prove because the city records are so sloppy.
The issue of fraudulent registrations came up even before the Nov. 2 election, as various groups made major pushes to get likely supporters signed up to vote.
Project Vote is a national non-profit group headed by the former head of the Ohio Democratic Party. It was one of several groups that ran large-scale registration drives in Wisconsin, a key battleground state.
"We are proud of what we did, and we think we caught virtually all the cards that may have been allegedly created by these people," said Brian Mellor, a national coordinator for Project Vote.
In October, the Journal Sentinel reported that two of Project Vote's workers in Milwaukee were felons on probation, which makes it illegal for them to vote and, thus, to register voters. A week later, before the Nov. 2 election, Racine County officials issued felony charges against two Project Vote workers on allegations of falsifying registration cards.
The charges are similar to those filed Wednesday by McCann.
In the Racine case, charges were filed against Robert Marquise Blakely, 24, and Damien D. Jones, 25, both of Milwaukee. Both men pleaded not guilty.
Jones had been fired as the group's leader for Racine and Kenosha counties after the Racine clerk's office raised questions about registration cards he had submitted. As in the Milwaukee cases, the pay for the two was based, in part, on how many signatures they submitted.
Earlier this year, Gov. Jim Doyle called for a state law that would bar groups from paying registration workers on a per-signature basis, or basing pay on meeting a signature quota. That proposal, part of a broader reform package, has not been acted on by the state Legislature
posted on May 18, 2005 05:20:25 PM new
KD - Your joking with helen...obviously didn't bother her that time. But there have been others here who she DOESN'T allow to 'joke' with her in that way.
Me included - and alcohol is NOT illegal, drugs are.
No one is threatening lawyers, KD. You're jumping to conclusions. I told you I didn't like it and I expect from now on your won't be making false statements like that again. Statements that I might be doing something illegal.
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posted on May 18, 2005 05:30:46 PM new
Well profe - It is beyond my control to change your implication that I was trying to deceive anyone. But you are WRONG, none-the-less. I did nothing different than I've always done. That bothers you? I believe I've touched a nerve of yours. You're just going to have to let it go.
As far as if a cop pulls me over and I give that excuse. Apples and oranges. YOU were speaking of school-aged children....and I'm highly suspect that your administration would allow you to 'chastise' some of your students for doing the same thing you let the other children get away with. I think most would 'call' you on your own lack of fairness/ability to apply the same 'rules' to all equally.
But now that I'm aware you don't have that ability...and do show a definate lack of applying the same rules to all...I see things a little more clearly now.
Plus...with all in the democratic party being on the defensive and having to explain why all they're pulling was okay when they had control of Congress...but isn't now....I guess that explains why so many here are just so sensitive to being 'called' on their oh-so-evident double standards.
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posted on May 18, 2005 05:34:34 PM new
For someone who would like to portray themselves as respectable you certainly do use some street language..For example you say, "hit the bottle" and "who do you hang with? and you ask " is your old man tying you down?". For the record, again, I don't drink and never have. And no one here but you and Hepburn has made that false accusation with serious intent. You can't provide a link to "what others have said" because those statements do not exist! Hepburn finally admitted her responsibility in spreading that false rumor but you continue to mention it every chance that you get. What a flaming hypocrite you are, linda.
So, now you think that even though the reference to your using drugs was a joke, the tables are turned and you are so upset because, heaven forbid, the same thing that you do has been done to you (in the form of a joke).
posted on May 18, 2005 05:47:57 PM newno one here but you and Hepburn has made that false accusation with serious intent.
LOL....your glasses are all fogged up again. There were TWO others who have said that to you....ask you IF you were. And I wasn't one of them sweetpie. But I did mention them WHEN you were doing the same thing to another poster and I was pointing out YOUR double standard. Like it's NOT okay when someone does it to you...but you sure were having fun doing what you don't like having done to you, to someone else.
You can't provide a link to "what others have said" because those statements do not exist!
CALLING CHERYL again. There you go helen...demanding others do what you, yourself WON'T do. Where's that 'screen page' colin asked you to see? Oh....but that's different. ..sure.
What a flaming hypocrite you are, linda. NOPE, not me, helen. You need to look into your OWN mirror.
So, now you think that even though the reference to your using drugs was a joke, the tables are turned and you are so upset because, heaven forbid, the same thing that you do has been done to you (in the form of a joke).
I said I didn't take it as a joke....and since it was about ME and NOT YOU HELEN....that's MY 'call' to make. But again....when it's not focused on YOU....then it's a joke. You either accept that it's right or wrong...NO MATTER WHO is the 'victim'. But of, course, one would have to have a sense of fairness...that the rules apply to all equally. Not possible coming from you.
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posted on May 18, 2005 06:05:59 PM new
No need for me to 'chill' at all. It's you who would like to continue making whatever statements you'd like to make but would prefer I don't respond to them.
Guess what, helen? It's not going to happen. I will call you on your own actions each and everytime you get up on that superior pedestal you feel so super PREACHING from.
I make my bounderies clear to both crowfarm and KD. Don't think that's showing signs of needing to 'chill'. It's something you probably don't recognize...it's setting ones own boundries and expecting them to be honored.
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posted on May 18, 2005 06:17:14 PM new
crowfarm - posted on May 18, 2005 06:09:19 PM
LINDUH , put that roach down and back away from the computer !!!!!!!!!!
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