kiara
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posted on May 23, 2005 08:51:02 AM new
This is a longer article so I'll just post a bit of it as I've been following the story for awhile. How sad for the parents to find out that their son has been used in this manner by the US government with such disrespect just to foster patriotism.
Tillman's Parents Are Critical Of Army
By Josh White, Washington Post Staff Writer
Mon May 23, 1:00 AM ET
Former NFL player Pat Tillman's family is lashing out against the Army, saying that the military's investigations into Tillman's friendly-fire death in Afghanistan last year were a sham and that Army efforts to cover up the truth have made it harder for them to deal with their loss.
More than a year after their son was shot several times by his fellow Army Rangers on a craggy hillside near the Pakistani border, Tillman's mother and father said in interviews that they believe the military and the government created a heroic tale about how their son died to foster a patriotic response across the country. They say the Army's "lies" about what happened have made them suspicious, and that they are certain they will never get the full story.
"Pat had high ideals about the country; that's why he did what he did," Mary Tillman said in her first lengthy interview since her son's death. "The military let him down. The administration let him down. It was a sign of disrespect. The fact that he was the ultimate team player and he watched his own men kill him is absolutely heartbreaking and tragic. The fact that they lied about it afterward is disgusting."
Immediately, the Army kept the soldiers on the ground quiet and told Tillman's family and the public that he was killed by enemy fire while storming a hill, barking orders to his fellow Rangers. After a public memorial service, at which Tillman received the Silver Star, the Army told Tillman's family what had really happened, that he had been killed by his own men.
That their son was famous opened up the situation to problems, the Tillmans say, in part because of the devastating public relations loss his death represented for the military. Mary Tillman says the government used her son for weeks after his death, perpetuating an untrue story to capitalize on his altruism -- just as the Abu Ghraib prison scandal was erupting publicly. She said she was particularly offended when President Bush offered a taped memorial message to Tillman at a Cardinals football game shortly before the presidential election last fall. She again felt as though her son was being used, something he never would have wanted.
Tillman's Parents Critical of Army
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crowfarm
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posted on May 23, 2005 08:57:50 AM new
It's sad , Kiara, but we know that the REPUGS will go to any length, tell any lie, cover up any crime, hurt anyone to further their cause....dead soldiers, dead babies ...they DON'T CARE!
They blatantly used Teri Schiavo, they used Tillman, they will use and abuse anybody with no shame .
Forgot to add...according to linduh's rules no one can post anymore to this thread or they will be considered obsessed stalkers...linduh has spoken!
[ edited by crowfarm on May 23, 2005 08:59 AM ]
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CBlev65252
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posted on May 23, 2005 09:21:08 AM new
It is very sad. I don't see how anyone on either side of the political fence can condone this, but I bet they will. It's a terrible thing to do to the family of a man who let go of a promising career to protect this country.
Cheryl
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kiara
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posted on May 23, 2005 09:43:10 AM new
It brings back memories of the first time Tillman's death was discussed here and the controversy that topic caused.
Over a year later I see that nothing much has changed around here except a few more posters have disappeared.
http://www.vendio.com/mesg/read.html?num=28&thread=208196&id=208196
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Helenjw
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posted on May 23, 2005 09:54:25 AM new
They also lied and used Jessica Lynch in a similar attempt to boost morale and stir up patriotic feelings.
Saving Private Lynch story 'flawed
What an evil administration!
By the party that revived the Nazi doctrine of preventive war,
By the party that supports torture.
By the party that undermines science
By the party of unbridled greed and unbridled cruelty
By the party that aims to destroy the main state protections (paltry as they are in America....
for the indigent
for the bankrupt
for the ill
for the elderly
And by the party of fiscal irresponsibility on a scale that would make Rockefeller Republicans faint.
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dblfugger9
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posted on May 23, 2005 10:07:11 AM new
It brings back memories
and,
but I bet they will.
A republican has yet to even answer any of you yet!!! LOL!! Talk about beating a drum beat!
btw, I dont remember them making such a big statement about how he died. As far as what I saw on tv, etc. it was regret that he died by sports figures and those who knew him. I only remember hearing about how initially and seems to me it was not so pumped up, but I could have missed it as that wasnt my focus of his death.
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edit to add: The Tillmans are angry, understandably so but its not going to bring their son back. A choice he made to serve in the military, nobody else put him there.
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on May 23, 2005 10:14 AM ]
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crowfarm
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posted on May 23, 2005 10:10:51 AM new
I never had children so I won't presume to know the true depths of pain at losing a child...unimaginable....but to know that the death of that son or daughter was USED for political gain has to increase the pain immeasurably.
Have these Republicans No shame...No conscience ??????
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dblfugger9
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posted on May 23, 2005 10:11:58 AM new
cf, you need to show some links where it was used for political gain.
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kiara
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posted on May 23, 2005 10:12:28 AM new
dblfugger9, where do you see me referring to Republicans in my post??
I said a discussion of Tillman brings back memories of when he was first discussed here.
So please refrain from jumping to wrong conclusions about what I said. Thank you.
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crowfarm
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posted on May 23, 2005 10:15:51 AM new
No, dble, I don't.
Now go sell your wonderful stuff like you keep saying you're going to do.
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dblfugger9
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posted on May 23, 2005 10:15:54 AM new
bite me kiara
what does this say? ... and the controversy that topic caused
The only controvery on that thread was about the word "waste" so what memories are you referring to then?
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dblfugger9
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posted on May 23, 2005 10:21:50 AM new
I am out of buttons today 
but youre cute as a button crowfarm , think ill stay here and just play.
rofl
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on May 23, 2005 10:24 AM ]
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kiara
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posted on May 23, 2005 10:21:52 AM new
I said it brings back memories of the first time Tillman's death was discussed here and the controversy that topic caused.
Nothing more, nothing less.
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crowfarm
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posted on May 23, 2005 10:24:34 AM new
Dble, you've been "out of buttons" for a long time now.
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dblfugger9
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posted on May 23, 2005 10:26:56 AM new
oh yeah sorry kiara.
I guess I dont read too well.
and nothing much has changed around here
rofl!! youre so ready to rumble but the other team hasnt shown up yet!!@
hahaha good one!
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dblfugger9
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posted on May 23, 2005 10:31:22 AM new
oh yeah cf, that cutesy thing is way better served on you! I might make a grand on a bag of buttons and then I couldn't possibly be able to spend all my time here!
oh woe is me: I may not have buttons, but have ze quik zips than you could ever posses there, honeycombs-less.
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on May 23, 2005 10:54 AM ]
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Helenjw
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posted on May 23, 2005 10:35:21 AM new
"rofl!! youre so ready to rumble but the other team hasnt shown up yet!!@
The other team hasn't shown up yet??? Well what are you and classic...waterboys?
[ edited by Helenjw on May 23, 2005 10:41 AM ]
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Helenjw
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posted on May 23, 2005 10:38:43 AM new
Actually, I think that the earlier thread is very intersting in light of this news. It serves to illustrate just how so many can be easily brainwashed to belive a lie.
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kiara
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posted on May 23, 2005 10:42:15 AM new
youre so ready to rumble but the other team hasnt shown up yet!!@
I think you may be stating your own feelings over this? 
BTW, buttons are fun. Here's a site that may be helpful.
http://www.buttonimages.com/collector_info/links.htm
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dblfugger9
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posted on May 23, 2005 10:42:18 AM new
c'mon helen, im not the mudd this buzy bee sandbox is anticipating. And you know it.
rofl!!
geez, does bring back memories, tho. {{rockin in my rocker}}...everything is just about the same around here........
rofl!!
!!!at least wait till the sh* starts and get yer controversy points right.
...hand me a lemonade there will ya, helen?
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dblfugger9
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posted on May 23, 2005 10:46:36 AM new
Well kiara, do provide some proof, some links if you will, as to how this "how" he died was overblown and used for political gain?
I am lucky if I saw a blip about it, then it was gone.
dont provide buttons when your talking diamonds.
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on May 23, 2005 10:49 AM ]
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Linda_K
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posted on May 23, 2005 11:13:42 AM new
rofl!! youre so ready to rumble but the other team hasnt shown up yet[i]!!@
hahaha good one[/i]!
Yes, it was EXTREMELY funny and oh-so-accurate.
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Four More Years....YES!!!
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Linda_K
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posted on May 23, 2005 11:16:24 AM new
But...ALAS....they come unarmed again. 
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Four More Years....YES!!!
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kiara
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posted on May 23, 2005 11:21:20 AM new
Just another example of how some will go out of their way to misconstrue my statements or intent to suit their own twisted agenda because they wish to divert attention from the reality of the topic at hand.
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dblfugger9
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posted on May 23, 2005 11:23:16 AM new
thankyou, thankyou, Linda. <bows and curtesies>
Isnt it funny, ya ask for proof and ya get buttons??? Somebody might think one is a flimflam antique dealer or sumthing....yanno? (remembering to do the wink long forgotten)
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Linda_K
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posted on May 23, 2005 11:24:03 AM new
So far, the REALITY is you have proved nothing to back up your own statements, kiara.
Well kiara, do provide some proof, some links if you will, as to how this "how" he died was overblown and used for political gain?
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Four More Years....YES!!!
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crowfarm
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posted on May 23, 2005 11:24:31 AM new
The OP is ammunition enough. but as usual the repugs want to fight.....no comment on the OP ...just fight.
linduh, why don't you call Tillman's parents and sing Kumbaya to them......or better yet pay them a visit and ridicule their son's sacrifice.
I'm sure you'd enjoy that.
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 23, 2005 11:27:46 AM new
Kiara, I went to the original Tillman link you provided - what a hoot!! Nobody really talked about him, instead, they were all concerned about me using the word "waste" for 4 pages. (I wonder what the blood pressure reading was for the righties?) It made Twelvepole so angry, he picked out our coffins!! (I had forgotten which thread that was on.)
I miss Reamond. 
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kiara
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posted on May 23, 2005 11:28:56 AM new
dblfugger9 and Linda_k, perhaps if you would have paused to read the first link I provided it would have answered some of your questions.
That way you may be better prepared for an intelligent discussion instead of playing your infantile silly winky games.
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Linda_K
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posted on May 23, 2005 11:31:48 AM new
I miss reamond too.
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Four More Years....YES!!!
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