Linda_K
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posted on May 23, 2005 11:35:27 AM new
I read the WHOLE link, kiara. Is the Washington Post now your Bible too? 
And what I am saying is that while you use this for your anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-American government agenda, you're doing the same thing here you accuse my government of doing.
You just can't see it.
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kiara
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posted on May 23, 2005 11:36:46 AM new
Kraft, I'd forgotten about which thread the coffins were on too and I agree that entire discussion was a hoot.
I miss Reamond and Bunni........ both voices of reason. Sometimes I even miss Twelvepole. lol
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kiara
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posted on May 23, 2005 11:39:09 AM new
Linda_k, don't tell me what I'm doing or what you THINK I'm doing. Once again you are wrong.
Or in simpler language that you will probably understand much easier.....
Cram it up your ass! 
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Libra63
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posted on May 23, 2005 11:39:40 AM new
This is not new news. It came out a while ago that this happened. So maybe his parents, by the way he is married, are critical but still he inlisted in the army which was his idea. The risks are there whether unfriendly or friendly fire and he knew the risks and still made his decision.
that he had been killed by his own men. why did they wait until now. Any comments from the wife who should be the one speaking out.
I feel sorry for the parents, but more sorry for his wife and children. Nothing will bring him back and debating this is useless IMHO.
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Libra63
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posted on May 23, 2005 11:45:08 AM new
This is just another thread so that people critical of the bush administration can strike out against the ones that are in favor of this administration, nothing else. This is what happens in here. Then angry words are exchanged then terrible words are exchanged. Then lies are exchanged It is a never ending battle in here.
Posters are called names so that they will strike back at that poster. Ron has it right. We pay our fees to post in here not to get bashed every word we put in here.
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kiara
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posted on May 23, 2005 11:48:32 AM new
Libra63, I said I had been following this story for awhile now and it is in today's news.
More related links to news about it
We are not debating whether it will bring him back. Attention is being brought forward about the government's lies concerning his death and how it has hurt his parents and their feelings about it all.
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Linda_K
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posted on May 23, 2005 11:48:45 AM new
kiara - posted on May 23, 2005 11:39:09 AM new
Linda_k, don't tell me what I'm doing or what you THINK I'm doing. Once again you are wrong.
Or in simpler language that you will probably understand much easier.....
Cram it up your ass!
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I want cheryl to be sure and see this....nothing against the community guidelines posted here....oh no. It's ALL just civil conversation.
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crowfarm
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posted on May 23, 2005 11:48:51 AM new
The P O I N T libra is not his dying.....the P O I N T is that there was a cover up and of course, his parents, who like the Schindler's , are speaking out on behalf of their son and themselves. If his wife would like to comment I'm sure she's free to do so.
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Linda_K
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posted on May 23, 2005 12:00:00 PM new
Attention is being brought forward about the government's lies concerning his death and how it has hurt his parents and their feelings about it all.
This article does NOT prove our government lied. It is the statement of two grieving parents....their opinions that they've been lied to. They have the right to speak out and let others know their feelings......BUT that doesn't PROVE the government LIED.
That's the point.
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kiara
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posted on May 23, 2005 12:02:37 PM new
Immediately, the Army kept the soldiers on the ground quiet and told Tillman's family and the public that he was killed by enemy fire while storming a hill, barking orders to his fellow Rangers. After a public memorial service, at which Tillman received the Silver Star, the Army told Tillman's family what had really happened, that he had been killed by his own men.
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Libra63
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posted on May 23, 2005 12:03:14 PM new
I don't see anyone on the other side of the fence wishing NTS good luck either. It is sad when a poster is undergoing some life threatening experience and the people on the left just ignore it.
It is different with this case, here the parents are speaking out, which of course they can, but the wife is the main thing in here. The people on the left couldn't understand why Terri,s parents had any say in the matter when she had a husband, take then why in the Tillman case are you backing the parents when there is a wife. Is this a double standard. You bet it is....
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crowfarm
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posted on May 23, 2005 12:09:56 PM new
"""""Immediately, the Army kept the soldiers on the ground quiet and told Tillman's family and the public that he was killed by enemy fire while storming a hill, barking orders to his fellow Rangers. ""
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A lie....hard for the right to recognize since they have no standard of honesty.
Libra, this is a statement by the parents....legal rights are N O T involved as in the Schiavo case. Now T H I N K before you start babbling about double standards again .....that dead horse got so tired of being beaten it got up and ran away.
Who SAYS the wife is the "main thing" in this ....? Is that some kind of "libra" rule ?
His parents have every right to say anything they want.....we are not a dictatorship....yet.......
What can't you understand about that ????????
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Libra63
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posted on May 23, 2005 12:10:19 PM new
Copied from another discussion board.
Let it be understood that "friendly fire" is hostile fire and that Tillman's sacrifice is no less honorable because the fire that killed him originated from friendly forces, in this case his own platoon. Unless you have been in such circumstances, it may be impossible to understand how such a thing can happen, but combat is at best "controlled choas," especially in the dark.
Regardless, such events are investigated and evaluated and those responsible are punished. It has happened to my unit more than once and thankfully we were cleared of any wrong doing.
They don't call it the fog of war, for nothing.
Pat Tillman is a hero.
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crowfarm
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posted on May 23, 2005 12:13:19 PM new
Nobody's arguing that. libra.
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 23, 2005 12:14:46 PM new
"I don't see anyone on the other side of the fence wishing NTS good luck either. It is sad when a poster is undergoing some life threatening experience and the people on the left just ignore it."
What an awful thing to say, Libra! Many "on the other side" have sent their prayers and have their fingers crossed for Near. Go pound salt with your ridiculous statement.
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Linda_K
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posted on May 23, 2005 12:16:43 PM new
So...this Washington Post writer is saying...
Immediately, the Army kept the soldiers on the ground quiet and told Tillman's family and the public that he was killed by enemy fire while storming a hill, barking orders to his fellow Rangers.
Standard procedure until an investigation is completed. And they were giving the information they had at the time. This is during combat...during war....his death wasn't treated any differently that any other soldiers was. It took time to get the investigation completed.
After a public memorial service, at which Tillman received the Silver Star, the Army told Tillman's family what had really happened, that he had been killed by his own men.
Yes, because it was AFTER his service that the investigation was completed and they knew exactly what had happened. It's no different that any other news story...that as the facts become available..they are then reported. And sometimes what was thought in the beginning doesn't end up being the actual facts....so it's revised.
Just look at what the mother said....she was imagining all sorts of things...IN HER MIND....
and then notice the reference to implying the troops/his buddies were shooting at him intentionally. That's just HER imagination. They would NEVER intentionally shoot one of their own.
Accidents happen in war....just like when the Canadian troops were fired on by the U.S. It was an accident...not intentional.
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dblfugger9
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posted on May 23, 2005 12:50:02 PM new
Go pound salt with your ridiculous statement...
kraft, I dont think its so ridiculous. It might be nice if you posted something there for her to see. Were not talking toe surgery here.
As far as the rest of it ... nutter day of b.s. on the RT.
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dblfugger9
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posted on May 23, 2005 12:54:36 PM new
And while I'm at it:
If any of these pea brains had half a clue about intelligence and grief and dying: The parents are angry. They lost their Son. It's very normal to strike out in anger all over the place. They may be angry about the big lie that went over like a lead balloon in seconds, but its only relevant because Patrick is gone now and its the army that took him. Its YOU who wants to make it a political statement.
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crowfarm
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posted on May 23, 2005 01:00:31 PM new
"""They would NEVER intentionally shoot one of their own.""""
How naive !
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dblfugger9
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posted on May 23, 2005 01:13:37 PM new
So crowfarm, you agree with P.Tillman senior, it was a homocide?
Patrick Tillman Sr., a lawyer, told the Post he is furious about a ''botched homicide investigation''
What could the United States Army possibly benefit from killing Pat Tillman? Were the boys just so jealous of him,... what? Somebody tell me what happened here?
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 23, 2005 01:40:00 PM new
Double, like I said, many of us have wished the best for Near. To say that the left hasn't said anything is ridiculous.
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kiara
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posted on May 23, 2005 01:57:24 PM new
I am unaware of what NTS is going through. Sometimes when a person is in the dark I feel it best to say nothing as any statement made may be taken the wrong way or misconstrued.
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dblfugger9
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posted on May 23, 2005 02:12:58 PM new
You know what, kraft? I dont want to put near on the spot. She reads the threads. If she gets a little nervous or wants to talk about it here, thats her business. You can be the great mighty mighty blunt as you want but if you cant stand to be lame enough to extend your arm out in a specific thread, thats your business. Libra said what was her idea and her sentiment on it. I agreed.
And sometimes what was thought in the beginning doesn't end up being the actual facts....so it's revised.
Woaa! Like Duh!! Linda!! Imagine that.
yeah yeah.
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bigpeepa
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posted on May 23, 2005 02:32:00 PM new
All Tillman's parents wanted the American people to know is that they feel their son's death was used for political gains. Nothing more or nothing less.
Now who has more information on the issue Tillman's Parents or button-head and the L sisters?
I believe if the L sisters and button-head keep running their mouths about this issue. They will look just like Bush is looking very DISRESPECTFUL to Pat Tillman his family and American Troops in general.
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dblfugger9
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posted on May 23, 2005 03:03:01 PM new
oh yeah, i am sure, peepee-poo the memo came straight from Bush's office to the pentagon: He needed a hero dead so he could rile the angst of the American people.
ooooo conspiracies abound!
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kraftdinner
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posted on May 23, 2005 03:08:33 PM new
"You can be the great mighty mighty blunt as you want but if you cant stand to be lame enough to extend your arm out in a specific thread, thats your business."
Listen Smartypants, besides trying to make sense, if you'd only TRY to comprehend my last posts, you'd realize I already gave my best wishes to Near. In fact, I said it in the post right after Near's post about the papers she had to fill out. Try reading the posts again, then you can come back all apologetic and stuff.
http://www.vendio.com/mesg/read.html?num=28&thread=255083&id=255302
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dblfugger9
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posted on May 23, 2005 03:48:36 PM new
I dont have anything to apologize for, kraft. The statement made by libra is why didnt any of the lefties post to the specific thread for near that was posted for her going today? I am well aware of your kissie-kissie best wishes for her - right after the pounding you put out of why people get sick or whatever - its their own fault. Only thing I am telling you, if you fancy yourself such a fixer, bleeding heart liberal with the quaint twist-o-fix of, "Lets tell them all what they've done wrong" type of support, your going to have to trip on the lame wire FOR SOMEBODY ELSE besides yourself every now and again. It proves you have heart and not just mouth.
...Hope thats not too blunt for ya. Lesson for today is over
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Libra63
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posted on May 23, 2005 04:08:10 PM new
Number of times posters posted to this thread.
Kiara - 12
Linda - 8
Crowfarm - 9
Cheryl - 1
Helen - 3
Dbl - 15
kd - 4
Libra - 4
My point is to bigpeepa, I believe if the L sisters and button-head keep running their mouths about this issue. They will look just like Bush is looking very DISRESPECTFUL to Pat Tillman his family and American Troops
Where have I with only 4 posts run my mouth off. One of my posts is a C&P from a Soldier who served. Now before you spew words about people besure that you are correct. I think it is time you read the entire thread before you speak. I didn't say to anyone cram it up your ass. What I said was I feel sorry for the parents, but more sorry for his wife and children. [i]Nothing will bring him back and debating this is useless IMHO. [i/] I said nothing political in this thread.
Get over yourself bigpeepa, there are times when I think you don't comprehend what is written.
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kiara
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posted on May 23, 2005 04:37:12 PM new
Libra63, this may sound a bit simplistic but if you think debating any of this is useless does it occur to you that you don't have to....... that you have the freedom to move on to another topic which you may find more suitable.
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Libra63
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posted on May 23, 2005 04:46:46 PM new
Kiara when I am accused of something I will prove them wrong. I was debating but I was not running off my mouth. Get it. Bigpeepa has a problem with Linda and I because we want to debate and he doesn't like it. Now do you understand. I debated, I said nothing wrong. I posted nothing wrong but now he comes in and says I am running my mouth off.
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