posted on June 5, 2005 04:33:47 AM new
Arlen Specter finds out it's a different story when the the issue gets PERSONAL!
Like so many republicans and neocons he doesn't give a damn about anybody else but let something affect him personally and whoopee ding...changes his tuneand bucks the party line!
By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
Thu Jun 2, 2:24 PM ET
WASHINGTON - Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), newly bald from chemotherapy treatments for Hodgkin's disease, held himself up on Wednesday as Exhibit A for the possible benefits of embryonic stem cell research.
A day after the House voted to overturn President Bush's prohibition on federal funding for research using cells from human embryos fertilized after 2001, Specter said similar action by the Senate would give hope to himself and others with Alzheimer's disease, diabetes and cancer.
The Pennsylvania Republican called Bush's promise to veto any relaxation of his restrictions on funding stem cell research an affront to millions of people with diseases that might be treated or even cured with federal dollars propelling the science.
"I look in the mirror every day, barely recognize myself," he said. "And not to have the availability of the best of medical care is simply atrocious." (Well, that's not exactly true , Arly, baby, YOU do have the best health care provided by ME and other taxpayer's , some of whom can't afford ANY health care)
Specter, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, announced in February that he has Hodgkin's disease, a type of cancer involving the lymph nodes, and began a 32-week regime of chemotherapy treatments.
P.S.If you're one of the cowards who has me on ignore please try to find in yourself a drop of decency and NOT respond to the OP.
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posted on June 5, 2005 02:06:11 PM new
To be fair Crow - Spector is a long time supporter of stem cell research and was a very vocal opponent to the bill when it went thru originally.
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posted on June 5, 2005 04:08:28 PM new
Spector was diagnosed in Feb of 2005, long after he fought the funding limitations.
He's a unique Republican. He not only is a longtime staunch supporter of stem cell research, he also supports a womans right to an abortion.
You want to wish very very good things for this man Crow. He is the only pro abortion rights Republican on the Senate Judiciary commitee.
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posted on June 5, 2005 04:16:44 PM new
Stem cell research is going to hurt the Republicans big time in the 2006 election. There is far more more support in this country for stem cell research than there is for the President. Over 60%, by a recent poll. Those who support the Pres. on this are going to find themselves perceived by voters as Anti-Cure, rather than Pro-Life. I expect to see lots of Republicans bailing on the President over this one, if not, they're going to lose their seats.
It might not have been an issue in the Presidential election, but it will be next time around. Count on it. Too many people stand to benefit from this research, they'll vote their health, I betcha.
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posted on June 5, 2005 04:40:54 PM new
2005??? I stick by my original thought. Sorry, I never wish good for a Republican, he's still a Republican. A kind of McCain "Republican".
posted on June 5, 2005 05:05:54 PM new
Crow - the guy supported stem cell research long before he was diagnosed so just what is this point you are standing by? He supported the issue long before it was personal - your point does not apply to this individual.
If however you are actually to sit here and state that you are going to hope for a negative outcome for someone in a fight against cancer because of his political party... there is no point in conversation anyway.
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posted on June 5, 2005 09:02:12 PM new
""'Now even other Democrats are saying you are wrong""
Poor stonebrain, I don't think fenix is a Democrat(not sure) but she IS only ONE so take the s off.
And one person saying I'm wrong does not make me wrong...try again...
posted on June 5, 2005 09:42:24 PM new
Crow - do you really need ANY people to tell you that wishing death on someone based on political party affiliation is twisted to know that it is true? Isn't that the type of knowledge that stems from basic human decency?
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posted on June 5, 2005 09:45:12 PM new
Ron, I hope you are right on the override. I think that if this veto does manage to stick, a new bill will be introduced as soon as Bush is out of office and this embarassing part of our medical history can be put behind us.
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posted on June 5, 2005 09:58:11 PM new
And I hope for just the opposite. That it is veto'd and they don't have the votes to over-ride it.
Private funding is and can be encouraged to support their own claims.
The government is already funding stem cell research and Bush's 2006 budget has given a lot of $$ for cord blood stem cell research.
We don't need to breed human life....there are other ways now available for this research to go on.
They're just looking for another deep, deep hole that will forever need to have our tax dollars thrown into it.
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And yes, that's some pretty strong hate stated above...JUST because he's a Republican. [shaking head] But no surprise ...she wished my son dead too. Appears she likes wishing death or grave illness on anyone that doesn't see the issues her way. how very, very sad.
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And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on June 6, 2005 06:34:40 AM new
Linda,
I agree that the tax dollars will be used. But in this case I feel that it is a necessary evil for the overall good.
I am hoping if this catches on, then the ridiculous idea of national health care will finally flushed down where it should be.
posted on June 6, 2005 06:47:55 AM new
Whoa Just a minute oh Self Righteous Ones! !
The REPUBLICANS , like linDUH, are against stem cell research which could end up SAVING thousands of lives and I'm the Big Bad Wolf for one simple statement "I never wish good for a Republican," ?
Being against stem cell research means you don't give a damn if people like Specter live or die .
Try to remember that linduh was railing against Clinton because he funded cancer research !
""They're just looking for another deep, deep hole that will forever need to have our tax dollars thrown into it."""
You mean like the war in Iraq ?
Which by the way I'm against because of all the UNNECESSARY slaughter based on a big whopping LIE.
Torture and slaughter that linduh supports.
I still will keep and promote my ideas on Specter
Guess linduh dosen't even have a drop of decency..........
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posted on June 6, 2005 07:36:36 AM new
Fenix, I do think this will be overridden, Bush has to do what he said he will do, but think he knows it is a losing proposition to not support this.
I also think that if successful, people will see people are making a huge profit from this.
posted on June 6, 2005 07:48:23 AM new
Yes there are lots of (level headed) republicans that support public funding for stem cell research. Stem Cell research has a very good change for public funding as it should have. After all only the minority in American don't support it.
Its another issue for the wacko leaders of the wacko minority. I hope the majority prevails on this one the country needs it.
posted on June 6, 2005 08:02:38 AM new
Fenix I agree, but, I hope they don't start harvesting embros for stem cell.
I would also like to say I don't want to live longer than the years I should and I am sure there are others that think that. To prolong a life so someone can live to, lets say, 100 is wrong in my estimation but for young lives that is fine. There is only so many years I can do eBay. Just joking.
They need to do research, research by private labs with private funding to find out if cord blood is sufficient. I don't think they have done enough research with cord blood. Profe do you mean prolife to extend lives to 100+? or do you mean prolife to help the young with horrible diseases? I know you can't discriminate but as I stated about I do not want to live longer than my expected life which could be a hundred but I doubt it.
I don't see that Profe because with education people can change their minds. That is the American way.
I am still against abortion and will be forever. Abortion meaning early pregnancy and partial birth abortion. That baby deserves a chance at life. Just like we do.
Profe what if the Republicans run a candidate that is for stem cell. I haven't read anything on McCain but he seems to be a liberal Republican. Bush will not be in forever. What if the states where congressmen that are running for the seats that some are for stem cell, then I see no change in the makeup of the senate.
posted on June 6, 2005 08:08:44 AM newThere is only so many years I can do eBay. Just joking...
LOL Libra. And I agree with you about living to 100 and beyond. I am not really sure that is the most natural phenomenon for most of us. (Though some religions refute that idea.)I think everything has its ebb and flow in time, and probably even spirits get recycled after a while (hows that for new age, eh?..lol)
posted on June 6, 2005 08:11:41 AM new
washington, your right the people that find cures for cancer along with other horrid diseases will and should make Hugh profits.
Because of Bush and a few wackos in Congress I am afraid the profits will go to another country.
If public money does fund stem cell research. Why not write into the funding law that any profits from cures have to pay a certain percent back to the government.
posted on June 6, 2005 08:26:37 AM new
Bigpeepa, there are other countries ahead of us already. So what they make more profit, will we be in it for profit or for health?
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posted on June 6, 2005 08:28:22 AM new
Libra - ::I would also like to say I don't want to live longer than the years I should and I am sure there are others that think that. To prolong a life so someone can live to, lets say, 100 is wrong in my estimation but for young lives that is fine.::
I don't believe that we should be looking for ways to extend life spans. I think it is interesting that despite the now daily announcements of something new that may cause cancer we still keep living longer. I think stem cell research should be used to find cures for diseases that rob people of the QUALITY of life, not the quantity. Parkinsons, ALS, Alzheimers, Spinal Cord Injuries, etc. ... those are what we should explore finding cures for. I don't believe we need to live to 102 but I do believe that you should be able to hold your own coffee cup without assistance or tremors at 65 and be able to remember it 10 minutes later.
RON - It's not just a matter of huge profits, look at the both the state and federal funds that won't be spent on disability and care payments for the victims of disease that will be longer be left debilitated.
I don't think you can approach our government with the concept of profits. It's been so long since they have seen one they just don't understand them. You have to approach them with the "savings" concept
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posted on June 6, 2005 08:38:22 AM new
::The REPUBLICANS , like linDUH, are against stem cell research which could end up SAVING thousands of lives and I'm the Big Bad Wolf for one simple statement "I never wish good for a Republican," ?::
Crow - Linda being against stem cell research no more excuses you for wishing ill on a canceer victim because of their political party than Clinton being impeached for a blow job excuses Nixon for being (insert litany of crimes here).
"Wrong" stopped being something that was decided by comparision when we were 6.
Why not just admit that you made an incorrect assumption in your original post where you asserted the idea that he changed his mind when the issue might be personal. I mean, he did champion stem cell reasearch at least 4 years before the Hodgkins diagnosis.
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posted on June 6, 2005 08:50:10 AM new
Fenix, can you see through your computer? How do you know that I have tremors. My mother had them, my brother and myself, My sister doesn't. It is difficult to write. I have no problem with a coffee cup only because I don't drink coffee. It only happens to me when I write. Worse in the morning. Thank goodness for the computer and/or typewriter.
Now I am not handicapped with it because there is the debit card I don't have to write checks. It really doesn't stop me from doing anything. If I take my time, which seems like forever, I can write. I have no idea if it heredity because I know nothing about my ancestors on my mothers side.
posted on June 6, 2005 09:29:27 AM new
Libra - no ability to see thru computer lines but one of the diseases that has the greatest promise for treatment via stem cell research is Parkinsons.
Imagine your tremors times 10 and then someone says we may be able to find a cure and that the majority of americans are in favor of it but the president says no. Hold tight, maybe later. I realize that it is a moral issue for some but isn't it just as immoral to tell people that we probably can fix you and put you back in control of your body and mind but we've decided that a handfull of undeveloped cell have more rights that you?
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
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posted on June 6, 2005 09:33:19 AM new
Libra63, about stem cell research she said "will we be in it for profit or for health?"
In a country like America that is without a National Health system for all. The tax payers will pay the research and the sick will pay for the treatments.
Since I broke my own rule about answering a question from you. I now have a question for you.
If stem cell research from Embryos found a cure for Cancar. And God forbid someone like your Daughter got Cancer. Would you support your Daughter using treatment from stem cell research?
posted on June 6, 2005 10:34:42 AM new
Linda - the majority of americans support the loosening of restriction and those tax dollars are theirs after all so the money would be coming from those that support it.
Interesting that you don't have a problem with our tax dollars supporting a war that the majority no longer supports, or paying a president that the majority no longer supports because you support them but when the majority supports something that you don't support you change your tune.
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- Ann Coulter
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and bucks the party line!
