posted on June 8, 2005 01:52:46 PM new
While, imo, the liberals give this administration absolutely no credit for anything...especially keeping us safer....I am encouraged each time I read articles such as this.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The FBI has arrested two California men after one of them admitted he attended an al Qaeda training camp in Pakistan, Justice Department officials said on Wednesday.
Hamid Hayat, 23, and his father, Umer, of Lodi, California, east of San Francisco, were taken into custody over the weekend. Both men are being held on charges of lying to federal authorities.
Two other men were arrested in Lodi for violating terms of their visas, said Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman Dean Boyd.
The men have been identified as Muhammad Adil Khan -- an imam at Farooqia Islamic Center -- and Shabbir Ahmed, who is also an imam in Lodi, an administration source said.
According to an FBI affidavit, Hamid Hayat told agents he attended al Qaeda training camps in Pakistan in 2003 and 2004.
"Hamid advised that he specifically requested to come to the United States to carry out his jihad mission," according to the affidavit. "Potential targets for attack would include hospitals and large food stores."
Hamid Hayat told agents the camp provided paramilitary training, including training in explosives and hand-to-hand combat, the affidavit said.
and just which political party is it that supports banning American's rights to own and carry guns?
During weapons training, photos of high-ranking U.S. political figures, including President Bush, were pasted onto targets, according to the affidavit.
"Hamid further stated that he and others at the camp were being trained on how to kill Americans," the affidavit said.
Hamid, whose U.S.-bound flight from Korea was diverted on May 29 to Japan because his name appeared on a no-fly list, had originally denied any involvement in terrorism.
After the plane was diverted, Hamid was interviewed by an FBI agent, the affidavit said. Hamid denied having any connection to terrorism or terrorist activities and was allowed to continue his travel to the United States, it said.
Upon his arrival in California, Hamid again denied being involved in training camps.
One day later, after taking a lie detector test, Hamid admitted that he had attended an al Qaeda training camp, the affidavit said.
Hamid's father, Umer, had originally denied that his son was involved in terrorist training camps and had said he knew of no such camps in Pakistan.
After he was shown a videotape of his son admitting that he trained at the camp, Umer said he had visited the camps and had paid for Hamid's flight to Pakistan to attend the training camp.
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Thank heaven for the Bush administration and the changes that they've made in the Patriot Act to allow for more efficient ways of identifing the enemies amongst us.
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Jun 8, 2005 01:55 PM ]
posted on June 8, 2005 02:28:46 PM new
::LWhile, imo, the liberals give this administration absolutely no credit for anything::
Blah blah blah blah blah....
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posted on June 8, 2005 03:09:40 PM new
I just figured if posting on the poster rather than the topic was good enough for you....
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posted on June 8, 2005 04:00:57 PM new
FENIX I totally agree BLAH BLAH BLAH.
All liberals are very glad these guys were caught. I hope they rot in jail for ever. Good goin FBI.
Linda_K, What the majority of the American people are worried about is what this White House hasn't done. You just don't get it your so blind with tunnel vision.
In 2006 we will all be watching what the majority of Americans think about this administration.
posted on June 8, 2005 06:19:00 PM new
Big prize for pompous..."While, imo, the liberals give this administration absolutely no credit for anything...especially keeping us safer....I am encouraged each time I read articles such as this.""
Encouraged? Really linduh? Encouraged about what exactly?
The capture of these men will make no difference to you whatsoever.
Where's Osama Bin Forgotten...they can find bunkers and these guys but seem to have forgotten some one!
For someone who is so satified with what bush and company are doing you sure have a really weird need to express your thoughts and feelings to a bunch of people who don't care.
You're so lonely and desperate I suppose this is better than nothing.
posted on June 8, 2005 06:19:00 PM new
Big prize for pompous..."While, imo, the liberals give this administration absolutely no credit for anything...especially keeping us safer....I am encouraged each time I read articles such as this.""
Encouraged? Really linduh? Encouraged about what exactly?
The capture of these men will make no difference to you whatsoever.
Where's Osama Bin Forgotten...they can find bunkers and these guys but seem to have forgotten some one!
For someone who is so satified with what bush and company are doing you sure have a really weird need to express your thoughts and feelings to a bunch of people who don't care.
You're so lonely and desperate I suppose this is better than nothing.
posted on June 8, 2005 08:08:16 PM new
Hey Crow its like we don't know the camps train how to kill Americans. My God Linda_K don't ya have anything better than that? Sorry old girl your cause is getting weaker by the day.
posted on June 8, 2005 09:20:08 PM new
I don't think they have any solutions to offer. Looks to me like they're just going to spend the next three years bashing everything the Republicans try to accomplish.
Maybe this news of these terrorists being arrested hit closer to home for me, than for others. I have a cousin who lives there and it's only maybe an hour or so drive from where I used to live in San Jose.
To read the admission of these two Muslims......only makes me wonder just how many others there are just sitting in wait to carry out their own jihads against our hospitals, etc....either when called to do so by their leader(s) or on their own.
But this is exactly why I argued here in support of the Patriot Act. The provisions that allowed the FBI to use better surveilance techniques...etc. Then they catch these jerks.
posted on June 8, 2005 11:49:46 PM new
LInda - I was wondering how you could explain how stripping US citizens of their rights aided in obtaining video tape in Pakistan or of catching a name on the no fly list.
I'm all for catching these guys but lets give credit where credit is due and the Patriot act had nothing to do with the video or an international terrorist watch list. The FBI had all the rights they needed for this one without it.
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posted on June 9, 2005 04:42:41 AM new
Hey Bear, The Democrats have been using their INTELLECT. Remember we didn't vote for the President and his party that has got the country so divided and in the mess called Iraq.
Linda_K, you need to remember it was your President that started the Iraq war with a bunch of lies. Now its still your President that is having the problems finding a solutions for his war not the Democrats.
posted on June 9, 2005 09:37:38 AM newpeepa, you obviously are too STUPID to understand that this thread is not about the war in Iraq.
It's about suspected terrorists being arrested here IN THE US...for plotting a jihad right in Lodi, CA.
And reports this morning say that three more suspects have been arrested. Newscaster stated that Lodi has become a little 'hub' for Muslims. Used to be just a little farming town. Maybe they felt they could hide out better in small town, CA.
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on June 9, 2005 11:13:21 AM new
I'm sorry Linda but I was wondering if you could explain why you believe that Muslims need to hide out? Or has Islam and terrorism just become synonymous now in your mind?
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posted on June 9, 2005 11:28:32 AM new
fenix - You might want to address your questions to someone else.
At the moment I'm just not inclined to discuss anything with you because of your constant...yadda...yadda..yadda...and blah..blah...blah...and your 'bite me' comments to me just aren't conducive to civil conversation. That's why I've chosen to ignore them previously.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on June 9, 2005 11:47:42 AM new
I would address the question to someone else Linda but no one else made the statement...
Newscaster stated that Lodi has become a little 'hub' for Muslims. Used to be just a little farming town. Maybe they felt they could hide out better in small town, CA.
If you can find someone else to make the same statement I'll ask the same question of them.
You knopw, if you are only answer the questions of people who agree with you it's going to get pretty boring pretty quick. I guess I was unaware that this place is supposed to be a mutual admiration society.
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posted on June 9, 2005 11:52:23 AM new
Why do you think linduh has me on "ignore"...you make too many points against linduh and she hides. Some get the "I have no respect for you" excuse...some get the "you're not civil but I can call bigpeepa stupid because that's civil " excuse.
All excuses for a coward.
Don't you know this is called the Roundtable because linduh goes around and around and......
[ edited by crowfarm on Jun 9, 2005 11:54 AM ]
posted on June 9, 2005 12:00:20 PM newYou knopw, if you are only answer the questions of people who agree with you it's going to get pretty boring pretty quick. I guess I was unaware that this place is supposed to be a mutual admiration society.
LOL.....
fenix - your above statement fools no one.
You and I have rarely agreed on any political issue and yet over the years we've been able to be civil in disagreement with one another.
YOU have now decided to take a different route....your choice...but my decision has NOTHING at all to do with not wanting to communicate with those who disagree with me.
But rather those who can't be civil in disagreement....whose ranks you have now chosen to join.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Jun 9, 2005 12:03 PM ]
posted on June 9, 2005 12:23:20 PM new
Yes Linda - I actually voiced my opinion regarding just who much of a broken record it seems you have become in the past months. Democrats are evil and stupid and against everything that is good and right in the world.. I didn't insult you or call you names, I simply had the gall to point out that retoric has been getting a bit deep.
Nevertheless, I asked a pretty valid question based on exactly the words that you posted. Did you want to answer the question, clarify the statement or ignore it and hope it will all go away.
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- Ann Coulter
[ edited by fenix03 on Jun 9, 2005 12:24 PM ]
posted on June 9, 2005 12:28:44 PM newFifth Man Arrested in California Terror Probe
Thursday, June 09, 2005
SACRAMENTO, Calif. —
Five men, including two father-and-son pairs, have now been arrested as federal law enforcement officers try to determine whether they have uncovered a network of Al Qaeda (search) supporters in Northern California.
Father and son Umer and Hamid Hayat were arrested over the weekend in Lodi, Calif., on criminal charges. Three Pakistani citizens are also being held on immigration violations. Lodi is an agricultural community 40 miles south of Sacramento.
Two law enforcement sources have confirmed to FOX News that there is a connection between the Hayats and the Pakistani citizens.
Hamid allegedly received terrorist training and funding from the father, an ice cream truck driver, so he could carry out attacks on hospitals and large food stores in the United States. But FBI officials on Wednesday backed away from specific information regarding any type of planned attacks.
Hamid, 22, and his father, 47, are charged with lying to authorities about the son's alleged training at an Al Qaeda camp in 2003 and 2004 and money sent for training. Both are American citizens; the younger man was born in California.
Click here to view the criminal complaint (FindLaw).
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents also have arrested Mohammed Adil Khan, Shabbir Ahmed and Khan's 19-year-old son, Mohammad Hassan Adil, for immigration violations. All three are citizens of Pakistan and Khan is affiliated with the Farooqia Islamic Center near Lodi, Calif. Ahmed is a citizen of Pakistan who currently functions as the Imam of the Lodi mosque.
Those three men are expected to eventually appear before an immigration judge.
Neighbors: Hayat Family Wasn't Suspicious
An FBI affidavit says Hamid Hayat first denied any link to terror camps, but then told agents he attended an Al Qaeda camp in Pakistan for six months.
A law enforcement source confirmed to FOX News that search warrants have been executed at two mosques, homes of the Hayats, as well as that of the Lodi Muslim Mosque's imam. The case is now described as "ongoing investigation by the JTTF," the joint terrorism task force. FOX News was told that the connection between the Hayat's and Khan Ahmed "is more than just a meeting, there are many connections, here and possibly Pakistan."
Les Kolb, a neighbor of the Hayats in Lodi, told FOX News on Thursday that the family never aroused suspicion. "We always bought ice cream off of his truck. They were friendly neighbors," Kolb said.
Kolb said neighbors knew the son and other members of the family were in Pakistan and that the father had been alone in the house for quite a while. However, Kolb said nothing at the house ever happened that stood out and he never would have suspected the family of being involved in any illegal activities.
A cousin of the younger Hayat, Usama Ismail, said he was in Pakistan with his relative and that Hayat never had terrorist training (search). He said his cousin went to Pakistan to marry and "never got into politics. All he talked about was cricket."
"We were always together," said Ismail, who lives down the street from the Hayats in a modest, blue-collar neighborhood. "He never went anywhere. He was always in the village."
Lodi's mayor, John Beckman, was meeting with members of the city's relatively large Muslim community to discuss how to deal with the media scrutiny and prevent a possible anti-Muslim backlash. A couple bias incidents have been reported since the arrests.
Both men were being held at the Sacramento County Jail. Umer Hayat's attorney, Johnny Griffin III, called the allegations "shocking" but said his client "is charged with nothing more than lying to an agent."
Agents removed boxes of photographs, videocassettes and fax machines were removed from the Hayat home over the weekend.
U.S. Magistrate Judge Peter A. Nowinski denied a bail request for the elder Hayat, saying he was a flight risk and a danger to the community. Hamid Hayat's attorney wasn't in court, and Nowinski set his bail hearing for Friday.
"Hamid advised that he specifically requested to come to the United States to carry out his jihadi mission," according to the affidavit. "Potential targets for attack would include hospitals and large food stores."
The affidavit discusses weapons training Hamid Hayat received and says, "during his weapons training, photos of various high ranking U.S. political figures, including President Bush, would be pasted onto their targets."
Umer Hayat told agents his son first became interested in attending terror training camps (search) during his early teenage years.
posted on June 9, 2005 01:10:41 PM new
Linda_K, because you have very little left in defending your President its not my fault. I didn't vote for him you did. Now like your President you have "A HARD JOB" before you trying to make a failure look like something besides a failure.
We all remember you throwing the words "FLIP FLOP" around with all your other BLAH BLAH BLAH.
How about this for a flip flop Linda_K?
Bush showing Bin Laden on a "WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE" western style poster saying "WERE GO-NA GET HIM" now a couple years later the same BUSH saying "BIN LADEN ISN'T IMPORTANT ANY LONGER".
ONCE AGAIN LINDA_K, I DIDN'T VOTE FOR A FAILURE YOU DID.
posted on June 9, 2005 01:35:16 PM new
No evidence of terrorist activity at all. The charge is lying. If they arrested everyone who lied to a cop, there wouldn't be enough prisons to hold everybody.
posted on June 9, 2005 02:26:47 PM new
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posted on June 9, 2005 03:30:36 PM newRemember we didn't vote for the President and his party that has got the country so divided and in the mess called Iraq.
That's right peepa, you voted for the loser. The American people elected the correct candidate for the times.
A word to the wise ain't necessary, it's the stupid ones that need the advice."
- Bill Cosby
posted on June 9, 2005 06:16:24 PM new
I guess the two arrested in CA are not Linda and Libra because they are still posting here. It must have been friends of theirs they turned in to the FBI.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
