Linda_K
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posted on June 11, 2005 12:14:07 PM
Yes, helen...I have long understood that you wish to be a free-loader. But I'm not willing to pay much, much more so that you can free-load just because you want to.
Pay your own way, helen.
And no one in the US goes without needed medical care. NO ONE. Those people who lack INSURANCE are still taken care of by government entitlement programs.
And I'd bet you aren't the only un-insured person who wants to free-load either, helen.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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classicrock000
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posted on June 11, 2005 12:17:35 PM
and most of them are democrats no doubt
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Helenjw
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posted on June 11, 2005 12:25:11 PM
linda, I'm ignoring your efforts to evade my comments with your silly personal remarks.
So, I'll repeat again....You are concerned about 10,000 women in Canada that had to wait.
How about the millions of American women who are not diagnosed until their disease is so invasive that death is the only option?
Autopsy studies in the U.S show that 2% of the population has undiagnosed breast cancer at the time of death.
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Linda_K
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posted on June 11, 2005 12:32:27 PM
LOL..helen...well I will respond in the same way that KD and kiara do on 'studies'. 
I don't believe them so they aren't true.
Why don't YOU address my comment about why you think you're so 'special' that you don't think you should have to pay for your OWN medical insurance helen?
Why don't you, KD or kiara explain how and why you three support ANY government making the law that says you can't get the necessary medical help you need in a timely manner?
Why don't you helen address why you believe the Canadian SC ruled that it's wide spread neglect and is un-Constitutional that they're not allowed to get insurance to cover their medical needs?
Could it be because the three of you are socialists who like a government having to say what and when your medical care will be ALLOTTED to you? When politicians decide IF you get proper care or not.
Why don't the three of your answer why you think so many who need the medical services THEY'RE NOT GETTING, are sent by the Canadian government to get their care here in the US?
I could go on and on at all the unanswered questions you three won't answer.
So...if we all just reply..."It's a lie, because I said so" rather than deal with REAL FACTS....then we won't have much to discuss.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 11, 2005 12:39:32 PM
Linda, where did you get the idea Canadians don't pay for their health care? You keep saying that and it's not true.
As for breast cancer, you should know that there are different types that grow at different rates. Some don't need immediate care. That's the same for other types of cancers as well. Many people think the minute they're diagnosed they should be treated, which isn't true. Read up on it Linda. You might be surprised.
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Linda_K
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posted on June 11, 2005 12:47:30 PM
KD -
Your mixing several issues into one. Your FEDERAL government DOES give monies to the provinces. Do you deny that FACT too? Do you deny that the FACTS have shown a HUGE portions of Canadian's FEDERAL and provinces budget are devoted to maintaining it's health care system?
Do you deny that Canadian's up until this SC ruling were, by LAW, not allowed, by your government, to purchase private health care?
And are you EVER going to answer my question about the 10,000 women class action suit?
I don't need to read anything. I've read extensively on your health care system...and that's exactly WHY I oppose it so much.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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Linda_K
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posted on June 11, 2005 12:50:09 PM
And when I say that's why I oppose it....I don't oppose it if that's what Canada chooses to do in their own country. I oppose it being set up as a 'model medical health care system' when it's not...and my countrymen/women buying that 'garbage'.
Guess it's a GREAT system if you don't have to actually use it....don't ever become seriously ill and actually have to face the extremely long waits that your own government says need to be reduced.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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kiara
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posted on June 11, 2005 01:02:58 PM
You discount EVERY report that is used that opposes what YOU personally believe.
Linda_k, where do you see me discounting EVERY report? You didn't.
Did you miss all my statements here where I admitted that Canada has some problems? Why does it bother you so much that I DON'T deny it? It seems to bother you so much that you can't even read and comprehend the words I write here straight from my own thoughts.
Kraft is correct, Canadians pay for their own health care. Canada's system is not the model for the world and no one said it is.
I don't understand your over-reaction to Canada's system of care because it doesn't affect you in the least and you seem to be stressing yourself to the max over something that shouldn't even be of concern to you.
It's just a 'cause' and excuse to rage on to everyone in your path for a couple of days to try to show us how much you think you know from googling. Tomorrow you'll have another 'cause' or person(s) to rage against for the day....... it never ends.
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Linda_K
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posted on June 11, 2005 01:18:56 PM
LOL...here we go again.
kiara...it was in the NYT NEWS. It's NEWS.... it's a change that shows even the Canadian SC recognizes your medical system is NOT addressing these life-saving issues.
It's NOT about kiara....it's like all threads....to start a discussion.
It's not like you usually do....just pop in to make a few personal attacks....then redirect the thread to be a discussion about you. It's a discussion on an ACTUAL NEWS ARTICLE.
It's happened because there ARE severe - life threatening problems in your system....and I want to discuss it so that hopefully other AMERICAN'S will become aware of why HUGE NUMBERS of American's oppose your socialised medicine system...and don't vote for the same to be put in place here, in the USA.
Do you know what happened with the 10,000 breast cancer patients that filled a class action lawsuit against your government because they held an opinion that differs from yours and KD's?
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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kiara
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posted on June 11, 2005 01:27:27 PM
No, it's not about me.
When I DON'T deny and always admit that Canada has some problems with their health care and their government and their leaders it seems to tilt you to the brink of madness and you descend into a pit of rage unable to even grasp what I've ever said here.
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Libra63
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posted on June 11, 2005 01:39:42 PM
KD It depends on who's writing what.
It was not the writing of the story I was talking about it is the quotes from the Radiologist etc. They are saying there is a problem, time management and personal. The writer is only writing what they said. Yes I agree the writer can write what they want but when they quote someone it should be truthful.
Of all the times I have been to Canada which is many I have never had to have any medical treatment. So I can't say what it is like. I am sure it operates like the foreign ones, i.e. UK, where you are treated free and thats great. But in the UK (Great Britian) they also have clinics for the wealthy so there is a two tiered medical system there. Well at least they did when my friend worked there as a Rad Tech.
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 11, 2005 01:56:15 PM
I agree Kiara. We've both told her the same thing but it's not what she wants to hear. She wants us to say everything is a-ok with our health care and that our country has no problems. Because that hasn't happened, she's now pretending we said it and answering as if we have.
Linda, if the American system works so well, then the number of breast cancer patients and class action lawsuits should be less, right?
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Libra63
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posted on June 11, 2005 02:11:34 PM
What has the number of Breast Cancer patients have to do with the American system? Last time I checked Breast Cancer is a disease and it has no boundries. They have no idea what causes breast cancer. If they did it would be a miracle. Why should it be less? Class auction suits I have no idea but remember Physicians and Medical Personal are human and humans do make mistakes.
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 11, 2005 02:25:12 PM
Libra, Linda is the one that brought up the breast cancer class action lawsuit as a way to justify her going on about how bad our system is. Wouldn't a "better" system, in which Linda implies yours is, have a better survival rate than one that's not working, if that's the case?
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dblfugger9
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posted on June 11, 2005 02:27:40 PM
They have no idea what causes breast cancer. If they did it would be a miracle. Why should it be less? Class auction suits I have no idea..
Libra, I have no idea either. Thats why I am staying out of it 
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crowfarm
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posted on June 11, 2005 02:37:27 PM
Doesn't anyone wonder why linduh cares about the Canadian health care system or anything else about Canada?
How abot Sweden's health care and trash hauling services?
How about Russia's water department?
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 11, 2005 03:05:54 PM
When Linda feels Kiara and I have stepped over the boundaries of what we should be allowed to say about the U.S., you'll see the odd Canadian post slip in there. (All the righties here do it.) When we admit to our problems, unlike Linda does, instead of denying it all like she keeps claiming we do, it sends her over the top, as you will all notice on this thread. She's probably into the smelling salts as we speak.
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kiara
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posted on June 11, 2005 03:13:25 PM
She's probably into the smelling salts as we speak.
OR......... maybe changing into prettier panties for profe51.......
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Linda_K
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posted on June 11, 2005 03:57:38 PM
As usual....just more personal discussion...
Guess it's because you CAN'T explain away the questions I bring up.
Typical of both of you....never really addressing questions put to you...and not just by me either.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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kiara
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posted on June 11, 2005 04:05:32 PM
Seriously, Linda_k ...... sometimes you make some good points and start some good topics but you have such an US against THEM mentality when it comes to left and right or Canada and the US that you are blinded even when the 'other side' is agreeing with some of your points.
Perhaps you don't realize that there are a few of us who have no strong affiliation to any one country, party or leader. We can recognize problems but find more good than bad in most things and can still be happy and adapt to whatever happens.
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Helenjw
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posted on June 11, 2005 04:16:58 PM
Oh, that sounds so sweet and gentle for the linda_k who usually avoids discussion of the topic by delivering personal insults and lies about what we say along with her skewed version of how we feel and what we think. Now, she wants everyone to forget all that and see her as the only one who wants to discuss the topic.
How funny!
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Linda_K
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posted on June 11, 2005 04:46:26 PM
And up steps kiara's tag-along...helen.
Guess I'll have to change that to address the 'three peas in a pod' group. NONE who will answer questions.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
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kiara
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posted on June 11, 2005 05:12:58 PM
Hahahaha....I was just waiting for the tag-along comment..... you are so predictable!
It's almost useless to try to discuss anything with you, Linda_k or answer your questions when only my partial sentences are quoted or wrongly paraphrased and twisted so badly that one is put in the position of defending each statement they have ever made.
Let's discuss running naked in the moonlight since we both seem to have that in common. Do you do it alone or with a naked man like I do? Have you ever done it right down the main street of town? Has anyone ever seen you do it?
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Helenjw
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posted on June 11, 2005 05:17:10 PM
Looks like you call everyone a tagalong, linda. If I speak first followed by Kiara then she is my tagalong and vice versa. You may rely on the fact that we will post whenever and wherever we want without any consideration of the possibility that you will, in the excitement of your second childhood, call us a tagalong.
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classicrock000
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posted on June 11, 2005 05:23:02 PM
"If I speak first followed by Kiara then she is my tagalong and vice versa"
sounds like a tagteam match
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Baseball season has started,but they have it all wrong.3 strikes and you're out,4 balls you walk.I can tell you right now a man with 4 balls could not possibly walk
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classicrock000
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posted on June 11, 2005 05:35:48 PM
" Doesn't anyone wonder why linduh cares about the Canadian health care system or anything else about Canada?"
maybe shes moving there??
"How abot Sweden's health care and trash hauling services? "
trash hauling services??-LOL is that a national crisis? are they having a problem getting rid of their trash??
Health care system-as far as I know its free, or it used to be.They are also one of the most heavily taxed countries on the planet.
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 11, 2005 05:40:44 PM
"Typical of both of you....never really addressing questions put to you...and not just by me either."
How untrue, Linda. What's typical is that we DO answer questions but if they end up being not what you want to hear, you change the topic or you say we don't address anything, or you tell Kiara no topic regarding Canada is about her. If you re-read the thread, you'll notice you haven't answered ANY of my questions either. Big deal.
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crowfarm
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posted on June 11, 2005 05:45:31 PM
It's very weird to hate an entire country.
And to expect others to answer really stupid questions about it as if they owe anyone an answer is even more weird.
I wonder if there are other case histories in the mental health field of people loathing a particular country.
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Helenjw
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posted on June 11, 2005 05:52:57 PM
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 11, 2005 06:01:16 PM
That's a good observation, Crowfarm. I don't think Linda hates Canada, she just hates people from other countries talking about her country in a negative way. If they do, she'll bring up negative stuff about the other country to even the score. She doesn't like the fact that Kiara and I have dual citizenship and have lived in both countries - like we have chosen to live in Canada (and abandoned the U.S. in her mind) and should keep our noses out of American issues.
Of course that would all change if Kiara and I happened to like Bush and his wars.
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