posted on July 4, 2005 09:46:56 PM
I can't understand how anyone who posts to this thread doesn't think that what logansdad said to Linda was vulgar. It only shows ignorance on his part.
Profe don't they still have arranged marriages? I do understand in quite a few cultures that marriages are arranged. Is it good, is it bad I don't know. In mine it isn't.
posted on July 5, 2005 04:53:10 AM
I guess there are still some cultures that arrange marriages Libra, but it's become a thing of the past in mine. Lots of kids still seek their parents' approval of boyfriends and girlfriends though, and that seems to be a difference from mainstream American culture. Judging from what I've seen my oldest girl's taste in men to be, it's unlikely she's going to marry a latino, but she'll still be smart enough to teach him that he's got to come groveling before papa if he wants to marry her.
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posted on July 5, 2005 05:36:24 AM
Profe, she will probably end up marrying a guy just like you!! Most daughters do ya know...! And therefore, you, will be ultra-critical of him!
When I married my husband, one would think I couldn't get any remotely further (further-farther?) away from the culture I knew...but over the years, I've come to realize that altho he is different from my father in many ways, the little personality traits and some ideological characteristics are very, very, similar after all.
I also remember in the 70ties - when Cat Stevens "Cat in the Cradle" came out and my brother, - who was mostly reticent around us, (tho not to his friends) one day simply stated to me that song reminded him of our dad. (He never knew how profound that has come to mean to me! I didnt see any truth of it because at the time I was young and busy running around having fun and it didnt seem to matter.)
But maybe that is what they mean when they say the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree?
posted on July 5, 2005 06:10:33 AM
"I'm sure you're aware that putting issues to the voters to VOTE ON is quite different that taking "polls" or caring what they say.""
No, I see no difference. A vote IS an opinion and what people have to say. People vote on their opinions. That's why there's campaigns before elections to sway voter's opinions. Polls are a way to find out what people are thinking. Politicians take polls to see if they even have a chance to run.
posted on July 5, 2005 06:30:44 AM
LOL mingotree - Because YOU don't understand the difference between actual votes vs. polling...doesn't mean I'm "talking in circles".
Most DO understand the difference - and there's a HUGE difference.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 5, 2005 06:37:59 AM
Sorry, LindaK, a poll is an opinion. A vote is an opinion. and an opinion is an opinion
I see no HUGE difference.
You said, "But I can understand why someone further left than a progressive would find it offensive and wasteful to actually want to HEAR how the voters want their government handled. "
My first reply was wondering how you can call this a left or progressive idea when President Bush seems to find it unnecessary to HEAR how the voters want their government handled.
posted on July 5, 2005 07:40:38 AMAnd therefore, you, will be ultra-critical of him
It won't be the first time I've been accused of that.
It's sort of understood that she's going to get control of the ranch, so my (her) problem is two-fold. 1) She's gotta have a man who understands and supports her commitment to a two century old devotion to this land, and 2) It has to be someone who understands that this property is the burden of our blood and must never be sold or messed with in any way. I have nightmares that she'll fall in love with some real estate developer maggot.
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posted on July 5, 2005 08:11:51 AM
dbl, your mostly right about marrying someone like your father. My kids dad, (course didn't see it at all at the time! ) was a total jerk. When he started hitting me, it didn't take long to get the hell out, with 2 kids, and we were WAY better off. NOT that my dad hit us, he was never there, at all, period. (Now in his 80's he wants to be around, he calls all the time, and settled really close to me, and yeah I see him, and never bring up the past, he's lonely...)
Profe, good luck with any future SIL's!!! My daughter had to date quite a few FROGS and she did (surprising to me!!) marry a really good guy, and NOT like her father at all, I believe she broke that circle, thank God.
posted on July 5, 2005 09:48:40 AM
You bet it would be bad Libra. I've never met a developer yet who wouldn't give his mother's eyeballs to get his hands on this ranch.
I have three kids. My oldest has graduated in Agricultural Science from the U of A in Tucson and is pursuing her MS in Ag Management now. She's a whiz at sheep and cattle genetics and husbandry, and has a good head for business. She's got this goofy idea that she can get this place to turn more than a modest profit!! She's a rancher, much more so than the other two are, at least so far, they're still young. Her mother (She Who No Longer Must Be Obeyed) doesn't think she'll get married at all, or at least not for a long time, and that's ok with me.
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posted on July 5, 2005 12:44:18 PM
Profe your ranch is in as much danger as anyone's home, if developers or Walmart want it , they got it. We have very few rights left in this country and the idea of owning private property is dwindling away along with other rights.
posted on July 5, 2005 01:03:44 PM
Sounds like a great girl. You must have imbedded into her mind how worth while your ranch is. Seems like she has a great head on her shoulders. When she graduates I hope is she coming back and helping you?
posted on July 5, 2005 03:20:16 PM
She comes back every chance she gets now, and plans to return when she's done with her masters. That'll be about the time I retire from teaching, so I'll have plenty of time to follow her around and criticize her every move She's already taken over the springtime shearing and wool sales operation, and has currently taken it upon herself to update the geneology of our sheep herd, which is a very old, historic one. She carted boxes of breeding records going back over 100 years off to the U of A with her last year, and updates me frequently on her progress. When she's finished, I'll bet we're all gonna find out we're part sheep! Maybe that explains my son's appetite for alfalfa (don't tell 12pole, he was big on the sheep farmer jokes.)
Mingotree, anybody who wanted this place would have to pay off or fight the motliest collection of heirs you ever saw, from three countries and four states, with a tangle of claims and relationships that looks like last night's spaghetti, the whole mess protected by the Treaty of Guadalupe... I'm not worried about Walmart, we already beat the feds a long time ago when they wanted to include us in the wilderness area next door....
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posted on July 5, 2005 03:23:32 PM
profe- My uncle, whose only son died at a young age after an accident, left his farm to his only grandson. However, knowing his grandson, the will read the land could never be sold...had to stay in the family. So the poor boy rents out the fields to another farmer and lives in the house.
posted on July 5, 2005 03:35:35 PM
Profe, I'm on your side , I'll be the first to throw myself in front of the bulldozer but Walmart is bigger than the Feds and only money counts. You know what Bush thinks of the environment. You know if somebody with enough money wants your land they will have it.....look at the examples.
Laws, treaties???? Some idiot just got permission from our crooked government to put a fence along the California border with Mexico, he has to follow NO laws whatsoever. All laws, property, environmental are lifted for him. What do they call that? Carte blanche ? He can go through any land federal or private, ruin the environment do what ever and no one can stop him. I'll try to get more info.
posted on July 5, 2005 03:57:48 PM
Profe, you and your "she's who must be obeyed" sure have done a fine job with your children! Without being too nosy, I'm curious though....Is the daughter who is most not likely to get married going to inherit the ranch, or the one you are worried might marry a real estate maggot? I am kind of confused here. But it sounds like their lives will probably both turn out great no matter what they decide on.
btw, now I picture you on some kind of dynasty out there - like Bonanaza or something!!! lol! (Save little Joe for me! He was always the cutest!)
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posted on July 5, 2005 04:11:47 PM
Near, yea, I think its true in alot of ways we dont really ever see, unless we look. But since you got out when your kids were young, they probably didnt have the father to influence them in that area awhole lot. But I also think there are certain things one does consciously decide that they are NOT going to follow their parents footsteps ya know? I know my brother got involved in all the kids sports and coached and whatnot, and I think he made up his mind he wasnt going to be a father like ours was. (Even tho in other ways, he still was)
And its funny because after I typed that this am, I started thinking about it... and realized just like my father was very driven and not around much, trying to build his career, whatever.. (and I think he thought if he provided monetarily, all was fine and good)... Well, much to my dismay, my husband is very much like that, too. And here I thought I was marrying somebody so different....
posted on July 5, 2005 05:22:04 PM
dbl, thanks for the compliment! My kids are my life, first and foremost. The same is true for both of my wives. I'm only talking about 1 daughter here. The one I'm worried about marrying a developer is the one who'll inherit control of the ranch. I don't really think she'll do anything that dumb...I'm just borrowing trouble..She won't actually inherit the property entirely, as it's held in joint trust for all the heirs of the original land grantees, and there are quite a few of us. What she will inherit amounts to the responsibility of running the place, as our branch of the family is the most direct and has always lived here, always maintained the place for the common good of all the family. It's our center, what ties us together.
Mingo, I live on the border and am aware of that case. If I were you I'd sell everything I own and buy gold and lots of guns. They're coming to get YOU
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She's already taken over the springtime shearing and wool sales operation, and has currently taken it upon herself to update the geneology of our sheep herd, which is a very old, historic one. She carted boxes of breeding records going back over 100 years off to the U of A with her last year, and updates me frequently on her progress. When she's finished, I'll bet we're all gonna find out we're part sheep! Maybe that explains my son's appetite for alfalfa