"I'm going to spend a lot of time on Social Security. I enjoy it. I enjoy taking on the issue. I guess, it's the Mother in me."—Guess Who? Washington D.C., April 14, 2005
polls won't be changing the fact that he'll be our Commander-In-Chief until 1-20-09......nor that who he seats on our USSC [one, two or hopefully three justices] will have generations of lasting effect over our Nation.
posted on July 13, 2005 07:02:44 PM
His poll results will affect who he can nominate and what he can accomplish in the next three years though Linda. He keeps dropping the polls and there is going to be no reason for the House or Senate to approve his agenda. He's got to get rid of Rove. Rove is a big heavy anchor around his neck at a time when he needs to be swinging a lot of power and good numbers. The strange thing is that Rove is so politically savvy that I'm surprised he has not gone ahead and done a public step down even if he retains his advisor potion quietly in the background.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
[ edited by fenix03 on Jul 13, 2005 07:03 PM ]
posted on July 13, 2005 10:57:19 PM
I disagree, fenix. A couple of things the left haven't figured out yet about this man, our President. He's not a poll driven person. He makes decisions and sticks with them because they're what he feels is right - not because of what the latest poll shows.
Second, on Rove....This President is not going to 'dump' a friend/colleague, nor distance himself from those he believes, because of some accusation has been made against them. If anything ever comes of the charge, like it's ever actually proven, then I'd expect this President to take the position that it was wrong. But he's not a two-faced man....he'll stick with and support his people when they've told him they've done nothing wrong. It's another part of his good character - loyalty to friends/cabinet.
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Yes, etexbill, we've often had talks here about how polls don't really show what's going on....depend on who was being polled....and change from week to week.
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Jul 13, 2005 10:59 PM ]
posted on July 14, 2005 12:09:49 AM
Bush is being mighty gosh darn SILENT about his close personal friend Rover.
Bush has said he doesn't READ because he doesn't care about people's opinions, showing what he thinks of his employer, the American people...NOTHING!
When you're a dictator I guess opinions mean nothing.
posted on July 14, 2005 09:48:34 AMHe's not a poll driven person. He makes decisions and sticks with them because they're what he feels is right - not because of what the latest poll shows.
He's not a pool driven person....Then why did he feel the need to address the nation a couple of weeks ago after public support of the war was dropping weekly.
Linda that is funny. I will let you know when I stop laughing.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
posted on July 14, 2005 09:54:10 AMHis numbers are in the exact same spot they were the day he was re-elected.
What do you expect from a pro-Bush website. Anybody can post numbers and do not say how many people were interviewed.
New NBC News/WSJ Survey Breaks Positive Trend Posted on Thursday 14 July 2005
Most of the recently released national surveys have shown a slight uptick in the numbers for President Bush. The new NBC News/WSJ survey bucks that trend. (WSJ writeup here, MSNBC writeup here.
In the survey, Bush has a slightly negative net approval rating of -3% (46% approve, 49% disapprove), down from parity the time before (47%-47%). In comparison, the latest Gallup survey (49%-48%) and the latest Pew survey (47%-46%) both gave him a slightly positive one. In addition, both Gallup and Pew had the trend going upwards; the previous Gallup had Bush at -5% net and the previous Pew had him at -7% net. Rasmussen also has measured an uptick in the President’s standing in his daily tracking survey.
The survey asked a series of personal attribute questions about the President. In every single one, his ratings declined, reaching or equalling all-time lows in the NBC/WSJ survey. If this was concurrent with other surveys showing a downward trend overall for the President, I would draw one conclusion. However, given that this survey seems to be moving in one direction while the others conducted on mostly the same days are going in the other, I suspect that random chance delivered a slightly more liberal sample to the pollsters here. The survey did not release demographic information beyond the male/female ratio.
Bush has it good in the survey compared to Congress, however. Congressional job approval has dropped to 28%, with 55% disapproving. This follows on the heels of May’s 33%-51% reading, and is getting into the same territory that Congress’ approval rating was in 1990-1994. In May of 1994, for example, the reading was 32%-56%. The all-time low is looming as well–22%-69% in 10/90. The Democrats maintain the 7 point advantage in the general congressional preference question that they enjoyed in May.
Despite this, the President’s job approval specific to Iraq fell even further, to 39% (down from 44%) with 55% disapproving (up from 52%).
The public is giving mixed readings on the economy. Bush’s job approval rating on the economy also fell, from 43% down to 39% with disapproval climbing from 51% to 54%. At the same time, however, the percentage of people saying job creation and economic growth should be the government’s biggest concern fell from 25% to 19%, and the percentage saying those should be one of the top two priorities fell from 46% to 34%. Fewer Americans are worried about jobs and the economy, but this is not currently translating into support for the President or Congress.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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President George Bush: "Over time the truth will come out."
President George Bush: "Our people are going to find out the truth, and the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind."
Bush was right. The truth did come out and the facts are he misled Congress and the American people about the reasons we should go to war in Iraq.
[ edited by logansdad on Jul 14, 2005 09:58 AM ]
posted on July 14, 2005 12:46:48 PM
People like Linda_K and now AGAIN etexbill WHO DRINK this White House's KOOL AID are in complete denial about their failed leaders. Must be something in that KOOL AID but it sure isn't TRUTH SERUM.
We will all see if the American people have had it with LIARS AND WACKOS in 2006.
posted on July 14, 2005 12:53:57 PM
What actually happened hurts doesn't it peepa.
Don't count too much on what is going to happen in the future. I seem to remember you saying the same thing about the past presidential election. Don't make any predictions that might embarrass you again.
posted on July 14, 2005 01:51:41 PM
logansdad - FYI, Rasmussen takes ALL the polls and then averages them out.....so it's funny that you'd call them a 'pro-Bush site'.
But as we have discussed here many times.....when the left-leaning media and their polls say what the left wants to hear....then we get to listen to you all cheering away. When the SAME polls say what you don't like....then they're not to be believed.
Polls have been wrong before....lots of times....and the polls now won't change ONE thing this President does. Count on it.
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yea...it IS funny how all peepa's past perdictions have been WRONG.
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Jul 14, 2005 01:54 PM ]
posted on July 14, 2005 02:03:09 PM
::I disagree, fenix. A couple of things the left haven't figured out yet about this man, our President. He's not a poll driven person. He makes decisions and sticks with them because they're what he feels is right - not because of what the latest poll shows.::
He does not need to be a poll driven person Linda - in fact, his view on the polls is irrelevent. He does not get a vote in the House, he does not get a vote in the senate and he doesn't have to worry about reelection. The people who are in the house and senate however DO have to worry about reelelection and they are the ones that have to cast the votes and they DO have to pay attention to puvblic opinion and the last thing they want to be called on is passing agendas that are contrary to the wishes of their constituents.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
- Ann Coulter
[ edited by fenix03 on Jul 14, 2005 02:03 PM ]
posted on July 14, 2005 02:20:03 PM
peepa, don't count your chickens before they hatch as my dear old dad used to say.
Does anyone else besides me remember the picture of newly re-elected President Truman holding up the nations leading newspaper showing the headline "Dewey Wins" in 1948.
posted on July 14, 2005 02:23:05 PM
Yes, fenix, you are correct in what you mentioned. But at this point most of those voters HAVE voted Republican...they republicans have the majority in governors....and I also believe in the legislatures of more states. The elections in 2006 aren't going to be much different than the ones the dems were so hopeful about in 1998, 2000, 2002 nor 2004 when the 'voters' showed they supported more republicans than dems....and even ol' Daschle was outed.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 14, 2005 02:26:35 PM
Ron - While you keep repeating yourself on why you think Rove should step-down.....have you ever even considered that the reason he doesn't want to is because he doesn't feel he did anything wrong? That he feels this is just ANOTHER mud-slinging-fest from the left that won't be sticking?
No one would step down just because there's a false accusation made against them. There'd be no reason too. It will be straightened out down the road...when the investigations are finished.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 14, 2005 02:45:13 PM
We shall see Linda. Right now in my eye he has committed a wrong and have seen nothing yet to change that.
But about the 2006 elections, I don' see the dems getting any new seats. Bigpeepa's candidate against Santorum has lost ground since last year and with a year to go, I don't see the incumbent losing.
I know Cantwell will probably win in this Democratic state, but we shall see.
posted on July 14, 2005 03:22:43 PM
Whether Bush fires Rove or not, don't we all know that Rove will continue to advise the president behind the scenes, covertly or otherwise? I don't think the president could function without Rove.
posted on July 15, 2005 12:05:28 AM
You're right Roadsmith, like I said in another post without Rove's hand up his ass to pull the strings Bush is dead in the water.
No matter what happens to Rover he will still control the White House.
posted on July 15, 2005 12:23:58 AM
Linda - there's a line in episode of the West Wing that keeps coming back to me ever since this whole thing started coming out. Mrs Landingham was buying a new car and refused to negotiate below sticker price because of a government regulation that prohibits employees from accepting gifts. When the president chastises her and points out an exemption that would have applied in this case her response was simply "Ceasars wife must be beyond reproach."
That rational of even if the actions are not technically wrong, if they detracting from the big picture, you put a stop to it. No matter what you think of this situation with Rove right now, you cannot deny that this story is taking attention away from the presidential agenda. Bush is getting ready to nominate a Supreme court justice, and he needs to be able to focus all of the attention of his office and political machine to pushing that nominee thru and that is impossible to do when this Rove story is hanging over everything.
Personally, if I were a republican I would be pissed as hell right now because no matter how loyal a friend you think that he is showing himself to be right now... He was not elected "Leader and Best Buddy". His job for three more years is to be the leader of this country, not Carl Roves best friend and sticking up for his friend is getting in the way of leading this nation.
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No, I'm saying -- I'm merely -- I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say -- you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...
There is an excellent article in the New York Times today that makes that point, fenix. Now, the entire political machine that was built by Rove to advance Bush and his agenda is now focused primarily on the defense of Rove.
posted on July 15, 2005 07:38:40 AM new
fenix - I think some here would like for us to believe that if this exact situation were reversed, and it was a democrat who had been accused of wrong doing, that the dems would act differently in defending someone accused without proof of any wrong doing.
I KNOW for a fact that would never happen. And yet some here seen to think it should in this case....why?....because it's a partisan political game of accusations.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on July 15, 2005 08:14:41 AM new
Linda, this issue is way beyond partisan politics.
"Even though I'm a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious, of traitors. George Bush former CIA director (and president).
posted on July 15, 2005 08:21:17 AM new
I remember what asses the Republicans made of themselves over a sex issue. Now I suppose the Democrats and America should just blow off a little treason.
posted on July 15, 2005 08:38:58 AM new
etexbill, I said Kerry would win Pennsylvania and he did.
Republican Sen Santorum will lose in Pennsylvania. A lot of voters that voted for Santorum because of values, have now found out and are going to find out much more about Santorum being a PHONY LIAR about his values.
AMERICA HAS HAD ENOUGH OF PHONY LIARS and will show it in 2006.
posted on July 15, 2005 09:12:51 AM new
From an investigative reporter....
"Fitzgerald is a prosecution machine," the old editor said. "When he wants somebody, he goes after them with whatever he's got. If he can't make the case he started with, he'll figure out what you did do and hit you with that. He's relentless, and he doesn't give a flying #*!@ about the press or the First Amendment. He'd throw us all in jail if it would help him make his case."
"Listen. Understand. That Terminator is out there. It can't
be reasoned with, it can't be bargained with. It doesn't feel
pity or remorse or fear. And it absolutely will not stop. Ever.
Until you are dead."
A majority of those polled disapprove of how Bush is handling the economy, foreign policy -- and Iraq. A plurality -- 49 percent -- agree that "we should set a deadline for withdrawing our troops from Iraq." And asked "If the United States withdraws its troops from Iraq there will be more terrorist attacks in the United States," only 36 percent agree -- compared to 54 percent who disagree.
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