posted on October 4, 2000 10:56:32 AM new
"Dear mboyko ([email protected]),
We regret to inform you that your eBay account has been suspended due to the
violation of our site policy below:
* Interfering with eBay's site and/or operations - The deliberate use of any
device, software, routine, or activity to interfere or attempt to interfere with
any of eBay's operations"
You know, we're all ASSUMING that the reason mboyko got the big ole boot was because of his 'relisting techniques'. Hey mboyko, was danetta99 on the mark with her theory of your purging from the eBay ranks? The spam really does mirror some of your acknowledged business practices.
As to people rejoicing over mboyko's 'misfortune'...Nah, it's more like rejoicing in the affirmation of 'kharma, justice, etc.'
posted on October 4, 2000 11:06:35 AM new
More like Gestapo justice. I think I was ratted out by an AuctionWatch board member. I'm not sure why as I have not personally had any dealings with or harmed anyone on this board. I wasn't even aware that relisting in that manner might be against eBay's rules until it was brought up, and I haven't done it since.
posted on October 4, 2000 11:14:31 AM new
mboyko, everyone does it...except most of them keep it down. You do it shout to the world which wasn't very wise to begin with.
posted on October 4, 2000 11:17:25 AM new
Meya ... "Isn't the issue here the fact that eBay has a set of rules in place, and in order to sell on their site, one agrees to adhere to those rules."
You're absolutely right - we have strayed off topic here.
However, regardless of what eBay decides their rules should be if you want to play in their sandbox, it does not give them Cart Blanche to allow illegal activity to occur on their site. Imagine the consequences if this was allowed. For example, I could establish a set of rules for my little piece of the world that would allow me to break any law I want as long as I posted a sign or issued a set of rules saying so.
"Beware: Any Telephone Solictors calling my number will be shot at sunrise. If you don't like this rule, stop phoning me" kind of thing ...
It 'appears' as though Mark 'may' have violated the fee avoidance rule on eBay. If he did, eBay are well within their rights to kick him off their site. They are NOT within their rights, however, the tell me I cannot communicate with Mark just because he broke one of their rules, or just because I happened to 'meet' him on their venue.
Nor does eBay have any rights to knowingly participate in, and in fact, encourage the sales of illegal items using their venue.
Finally, with respect to the AW moderators, deleting a post because it is in CAPS is bullying just a bit too much IMHO
"he simply is not interested in learning a few lessons".
I see your point, and it may or may not be correct. For instance: "I wasn't even aware that relisting in that manner might be against eBay's rules until it was brought up, and I haven't done it since."
He obviously is learning something.
"Good riddance to bad rubbish."
Be careful here. He is still a human being and not garbage.
My point is this and it is very simple: 'Let the person who is without sin cast the first stone.' - I think you get the point.
posted on October 4, 2000 11:25:28 AM new
Rest assured the last laugh will be mine. I have the knowledge, the skill, and the business acumen. That, coupled with the fact that I'm young and single and have virtually no living expenses whatsoever, will allow me to maintain a greater profitability than the vast majority here. Even with the current setbacks!
posted on October 4, 2000 11:25:34 AM new
mboyko - Read the post about your re-listing technique and must say that is very blatant Fee Avoidance to use such a technique therefore I can't approve of it. I also can't see how you would think it was okay. With that said:
Your suspension the topic of this current thread sited the wrong clause of the user agreement. As such it should be reversed and ebay furnish proof of the right clause. Which since they used the wrong clause to suspend you tells me that they have no proof of the right one. So the safeharbor person decided to use whatever came to mind to make the Whiner that reported you happy. Terrible practice they have at safeharbor of catering to whiners who I have come to beleive are the biggest frauds and cheats active on the site. With that said:
Here's your suspension reason.
[b]"* Interfering with eBay's site and/or operations - The deliberate use of any
device, software, routine, or activity to interfere or attempt to interfere with
any of eBay's operations. "[/b]
If your re-listing technique as revealed here on Auction Watch is what they call themselves using. That technique doesn't interfere with the site. In fact it doesn't interfere with any of ebay's operations. When you look at your technique it actually uses the functions that the site is suppose to provide When the Engineers Have It Working Properly. So there is no site interferance. I suspect they went for the fee avoidance but couldn't find a current enough auction where it was used to nail you with and decided to oull the old site interfereance out of their posterior to appease one of their Whiners.
Now I personally don't recommend starting a new account until the suspension is served. However, if you decide to register a new account. DO NOT LIST ANY ITEMS THAT YOU HAD UP WHEN YOUR AUCTIONS GOT CANNED. Also make sure you use a different picture host to host your auction pictures. And finally if you do the paypal thingie add the new email to your current paypal account. This part is very important, Make Sure You Register The Account From A Public Computer, not the one at your home or whereever you ebay from. If the public computer is not an option then you should use a free web access dailup for the registration and then use the account from whereever you ebay from.
I am sharing that information because the Unpaid Safeharbor ebay snitch and whine patrol has nothing better to do in life except search the listings for your old items and then match them to your pictures on the same server and turn in your new account. That would get you a permanent suspension and then when you discuss it here they will have a "We Got Him Permanaently Banned Party". With the exception of those parties many of them have absolutely no lives whatsoever. Oh they do get together at the trailer park and occasionally have dinner together. Those pictures when posted always make me ROTFLMAO when they post them.
I hope this helps, but I suggest you wait out the suspension and keep your AW activities and your ebay BUSINESS totally seperate. You never know which one of the Snitch and Whine patrol is on duty on a particular thread. In fact watch how many of them jump on this post and log their ID's. I do
posted on October 4, 2000 11:42:04 AM new
Maybe your listing technique had nothing to do with it.
Maybe the problem was fee avoidance for listing items at 1 cent then charging $3.20 for shipping and spending 75 cents. That's fee avoidance, clearly.
Or maybe it was for your practice of using feedback as a tool for retaliation. I doubt it, but it's possible.
Or, more likely, I suspect that you might have committed other violations that you haven't told as about. And maybe, as with your relisting technique, you didn't even realize they were violations.
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All rights reserved. All wrongs reversed.
posted on October 4, 2000 11:46:37 AM new
I think fee avoidance on s/h fees only applies to outrageous amounts. I belive a buck or two is acceptable for a handling fees. If not, you are going to see tons more sellers getting suspended very soon. Probably half of sellers charge some sort of handling fee.
posted on October 4, 2000 11:48:12 AM new
Again, I really doubt eBay acted because of mboyko's 'relisting technique'. Would they not have simply stated for 'fee avoidance' issues instead of "Interfering with eBay's site and/or operations - The deliberate use of any device, software, routine, or activity to interfere or attempt to interfere with any of eBay's operations"
I really REALLY wonder what exactly mboyko was banished for.
networker67: curious...what exactly would your reason be to "log their id's"? For what purpose??
mboyko: I'm sure you're a real superfabulous person in RL. But as a buyer only, it's sellers with your business practices that really TICK me off. I could give a rat's butt for your 'relisting technique'. My only hope is that one day ALL sellers will FINALLY get the clue that to leave a buyer feeling ripped off IS NOT A GOOD THING!
Bolding is used for emphasis. All caps is considered yelling. If the post had been a short one, I would have allowed it to stand. However, it was nearly half a page long. The overall effect was quite overwhelming.
The original poster is welcome to repost the same information if s/he wishes.
I hope this clarifies. If you have further questions regarding moderation, please post them in the Moderator's Corner.
posted on October 4, 2000 11:53:16 AM new
I think it is high time for the members and posters of AW to stop giving mboyko his jollies by posting to his threads. Like an unruly child, he will stop if the attention stops, even if it is bad attention. He acts as if he were a huge presence on eBay, but in fact his sales were small in number as well as ending price.
The same goes for RB and the rest who insist on posting in support of such selling practices.
Perhaps it is time to move on, as there is really nothing to see here.
posted on October 4, 2000 11:53:25 AM new
tacress - I was wondering if the AuctionManager service from AuctionWatch somehow tied up the eBay site while trying to list a batch of items? It would have occurred under my eBay account, because AuctionWatch uses your login and stuff to list auctions for you. That was one of my theories. Still no reply from SafeHarbor or anyone else at eBay I e-mailed about this.
posted on October 4, 2000 11:53:32 AM new
I see a lot of people on here complaining about high shipping costs or fees, hey if it's too high for ya...don't buy the damn thing..I'm a selller myself, I know what it costs to ship certain items that I buy, and if I feel that I'm being overcharged, don't bid!!!!
posted on October 4, 2000 12:00:48 PM new
amalgamated - Well according to Mboyko the reason was "Site Interfearence" so if any of what you posted is the real reason. Then ebay needs to revise the rules so that they can cite real reasons for real suspensions and not just use any reason because the have no proof.
tacress - Something to do so I can spot the real troublemakers match them to ebay accounts and avoid responding to their posts. Some of those same real troublemakers are also guilty as sin of abusing moderation here on auctionwatch as they see fit. In fact it happens so often here and on ebay that I am convinced of things about moderators that I can't say because they might get offended.
posted on October 4, 2000 12:03:21 PM new
mboyko: With my VERY limited computer knowledge, I would imagine that if that were indeed the case, you would have needed to have massive amounts (thousands?) of auctions being listed to hang eBay.
networker67: Thanks for the explanation, I took it to be a little threatening at first, but I now see your point.
[ edited by tacress on Oct 4, 2000 12:07 PM ]
posted on October 4, 2000 12:13:31 PM new
meya - you would have a valid point excepting that the core principle behind this thread is how ebay. Just to suspend a user, used a violation that obviously has not occurred. Sure we might not agree with mboykos feedback practices, we not agree with his handling fees, and we not even like his customer services practices. However we have to agree that ebay needs to implement a system of due process.
Ask yourself this. What if I decided I didn' like your auction practices and diverted 10 ebay accounts towards reporting to safeharbor everything I felt about your auctions and ebay activity to safeharbor. You wouldn't like it and if I did it long enough I would find the chink in your armor. Be it a logo that is too large, links to off ebay sales, whatever. You would quickly become that bad seller in safeharbor's eyes where the first chance they get they would invent a violation to suspend you jus to stop me from emailing them about your activity. That IMHO is wrong. Nothing said by you or anyone else will ever make it right. If you want to save something go to the inner city and save crack babies, tutor a low income child, or join greenpeace. Saving ebay is not what I would call high on a priority list of things that need saving and protecting.
posted on October 4, 2000 12:18:47 PM new
I'm suprised that eBay will suspend anyone with shaky ethics. They won't do a thing to the bidder who is trying to blackmail me.
Thank you for taking the time to contact SafeHarbor with your appeal.
After review of the information you have provided, it has been
determined that we can not reinstate your account due to the nature of
the policy violation which caused the suspension of your account.
Your account was suspended specifically for fee avoidance. The
following post and credits posted to your account were taken into
consideration when your account was suspended:
posted on September 27, 2000 01:35:39 PM new
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We all know there are certain items that are sure to sell, and then
there are those items that may or may not sell the first time. In
dealing with iffy items, I have found a good way to save on re listing
fees. If an item fails to sell the first time, and if the number of hits
the item received suggests that it probably won't sell the second time,
then use this technique. Relist it, but completely change the item being
listed. Change the title, category, picture and item description to a
different item you want to try selling. I have found that if you are
getting a 50% sell rate on iffy items, then by relisting a different
item in its place the 2nd time you can increase your sell rate to 75%
without listing fees being as high, because if the different items sells
the second time you don't have to pay another quarter. Then take the
crappy items that don't sell the first time and GET RID OF THEM!
[ edited by mboyko on Sep 27, 2000 01:45 PM ]
Thank you for your time.
Regards,
Martina
Quality Assurance Specialist
______________________________
eBay
Your Personal Trading Community (tm)
So I guess I was ratted out by the AuctionWatch Gestapo. Well I think it's really poor. In all honesty I did not know that relisting items in this manner was a violation of any eBay rule. When I heard it might be I quit it immediately. I had no intention to defraud anyone, and I certainly have not harmed any members of this board. I don't understand why eBay doesn't just revoke the credits on the very few offending auctions. We're talking a dollar or two, compared to over a hundred bucks they won't get from me this month because I can't sell items. I don't go for this at all. I don't know if I ever care to deal with eBay again if this is how they are going to treat me, after all the money I've made for them.
posted on October 4, 2000 12:46:24 PM new
You didn't need to be "ratted out." It's common knowledge that eBay follows these threads on a daily basis. You were the one who brought this to light by your posting about it.
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That's Flunky Gerbiltush to you!
posted on October 4, 2000 12:48:17 PM new
Face it the ebay clerk that suspended you is probably an 8-10/hour worker with nothing more than a HS education. Not real bright and intoxicated with his/her new found power.
Edited because I can't type
[ edited by nufsaid on Oct 4, 2000 12:57 PM ]
posted on October 4, 2000 12:49:52 PM new
mboyko - Now ask them where is the proof with the exception on a boad that is no owned or affilated with ebay? Now was that the actually reply because they said it was site interfearence and now reply with fee avoidance. or did you make up the first one citing site interferance?
An auctionwatch isn't a specific incident of "fee avoidance" however a specific auction is. Sounds like one of the Snitch Whiners here and on ebay are really stretching their boundaries. Now ebay is supedning you for discussing ebay activity that they have no proof of on auction watch. by the way that post isn't evidence to justify auction interferance and makes safeharbor look really lame and also makes the snitch whiner look really petty.
Would the Snitch Whiner who sent that to safeharbor please step up and take a bow for showing yourself as a petty and very vindictive not to mention ignorant individual
I am going back and read that thread and then I am going have the replies matched up and see if I can isolate this petty individual. I will even bet that they didn't use their primary ebay account to make the report to ebay. Dirty Deed doers hidng behind secondary accounts to avoid penalty. Another reason why ebay needs to can all the legal additional accounts. because it is obvious that some people have no idea what they are for.
posted on October 4, 2000 01:16:10 PM newmboyko: Considering your track record, it's a bit ludicrous for you to be wailing about how much money you have made for eBay.
The majority of the money you've made has been from inflated shipping/handling charges, an unwillingness to combine orders to save your buyers on shipping, and a complete refusal to expend money on shipping supplies (used pizza boxes w/ants and bug-infested fruit boxes come to mind).
As an additional method to save yourself a few pennies, you "relisted" items with a completely different item, so as to take advantage of the free "re"-listing. My recollection is that you expressed no regret, no "oh, I didn't know that was wrong," and certainly didn't give the appearance you were going to stop any of your "money-saving" practices during previous threads.
Take responsibility for your own actions, mboyko, and don't blame others: as an eBay seller, your actions suck.
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