RB
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posted on October 4, 2000 01:16:35 PM
"It's common knowledge that eBay follows these threads on a daily basis"
I beg to differ. The fact that I have NEVER seen a single post from ANYONE at eBay here leads me to believe that the eBay management has told their flunkies to keep their mouths shut 
I mean, even the most laid back, gentle human being on a valium high couldn't stand back and read our flames about the company s/he works for without saying something ...
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mboyko
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posted on October 4, 2000 01:28:46 PM
My average monthly eBay bill has been well over 100 dollars.
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dejavu
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posted on October 4, 2000 01:34:42 PM
RB, I beg to differ..........ebay employees can & do read these posts and they also post here upon occassion. Usually the posts have been of information in an ebay emergency or problem where members can't log on to ebay to see what the problem is.
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montechristo
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posted on October 4, 2000 01:41:12 PM
Why does ebay make it so easy for prople to get new ID's after they have been banned?
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on October 4, 2000 01:45:43 PM
Okay, mboyko, I'll bite.
Please explain how you "didn't know" that it was against ebay rules to use "relist" to sell a completely different item.
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texmontana
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posted on October 4, 2000 01:47:47 PM
I'm sorry, but I do not buy for one second that you didn't know that your special relisting technique was illeagal. Further, I believe you brought it here to brag about ripping-off ebay. Your threads are ALWAYS of an unsavory nature, ie; Repeat customers- who needs 'em?, et al. You also like to brag how well your 1 cent auctions do - well, good for you! Unfortunately, it's sellers like you that turn off buyers, and cause fee increases by doing whatever you can to avoid paying what YOU owe. So eBay'll lose $100 bucks a month...I'm sure that won't put them out of business!
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corrdogg
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posted on October 4, 2000 01:50:20 PM
mboyko
Let me see if I have this right:
You post your message promoting fee avoidance on the (public) AW message boards.
The very next post by an AW member, [upriver, states: “I do believe this is called fee avoidance & is implicitly against eBay rules...
You reply: “If they warn me to quit doing it, I will quit doing it.
What ensued was two pages of people telling you that this violates eBay rules and you attempting to rationalize your viewpoint. Your only support came from a poster who went through the boards like a shooting star – two days and suspended. That should have clued you in.
You have now been “warned” with a NARU.
So you return today and claim to have been “ratted out by the AuctionWatch Gestapo. I would call it tempting fate by drawing undue attention to your questionable practices.
Fortunately, you NOW have the support of nufsaid and networker67 in this matter. I’m sure that eBay will see the error that they have made and you will be un-NARU-ed shortly. Don’t be too hasty in abandoning your current ID: I’m sure it will be shortly be promptly reinstated and you will able to continue on your rocket shot to OA success with your ‘good name’ intact!
And right after that, pigs will fly out of my butt!
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mboyko
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posted on October 4, 2000 01:52:59 PM
I figured that eBay just lets you do anything you want with a relisted auction. Otherwise I figured they wouldn't let you change the category, title and description when you relist.
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outoftheblue
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posted on October 4, 2000 01:53:10 PM
hmmmm. This situation played out pretty much as I suspected.
mboyko, I don't agree with the things you have done (you should kick yourself in the but for some of them), but I can't say that I didn't think of the same thing myself, in passing. I thought better of it and didn't act.
What were you thinking when you posted that topic? Didn't you think that someone here would be laying in wait for you to screw up so they could turn you in?
I think that the person who turned you in was probably doing it as much for spite as for justice.....It never ceases to amaze me how people justify spiteful acts in the name of "doing the right thing". I wonder if they would have done the same if you were someone they liked?
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on October 4, 2000 02:00:36 PM
I figured that eBay just lets you do anything you want with a relisted auction. Otherwise I figured they wouldn't let you change the category, title and description when you relist
ROTFLMAO
With that logic, why not buy a new $50 shirt at Macy's and attempt to get a refund by "returning" one of your old worn-out ones? Hey, you're returning a shirt, right? What's the big deal?
Your threads are substantially more hilarious than jerry12's could ever be.
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Glenda
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posted on October 4, 2000 02:01:04 PM
The problem was NOT how eBay came to know about mboyko's practices. Maybe there's an employee who monitors relists; who knows, who cares.
The problem is that he was doing something against the written policies, NOT that he got CAUGHT at it.
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Meya
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posted on October 4, 2000 02:02:40 PM
RB, my apologies. I'm afraid the cold medicine I am taking has seriously impacted my ability to read a post and understand the contents.
I wish I could always blame this on cold medicine, but alas, I cannot. 
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texmontana
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posted on October 4, 2000 02:14:34 PM
Amen, GLENDA!
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mboyko
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posted on October 4, 2000 02:29:18 PM
You know what's really nice? While they have me suspended, I can't collect on all the Non-Paying Bidder complaints I have had to file. So what happens if I finally get reinstated a month from now? "Oh sorry that auction ended more than 60 days ago so we're just not going to give your money back." They ban me for fee avoidance, all the while they continue to rob me blind. What a bunch of cows#$t!
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njrazd
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posted on October 4, 2000 02:36:48 PM
mboyko...consider it your payment for the fees you avoided in the first place.
RB: You said, "I beg to differ. The fact that I have NEVER seen a single post from ANYONE at eBay here leads me to believe that the eBay management has told their flunkies to keep their mouths shut."
You can't possibly know how many people lurk on these boards. There are several other sites I have read for months on a daily basis and have never registered to post. The fact that they don't comment doesn't mean anything. They're not all PayPalDamons.
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That's Flunky Gerbiltush to you!
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mboyko
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posted on October 4, 2000 02:39:20 PM
No I won't consider it for fees I've "avoided", which would total up to be about 5 bucks! I have several HIGH priced items that were not payed for, eBay charged me for them, they amount to a helluva lot more than a few friggin quarters eBay says I owe them. I've half a mind to cancel my credit card so eBay can't collect.
[ edited by mboyko on Oct 4, 2000 02:40 PM ]
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CoolTom-07
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posted on October 4, 2000 02:45:31 PM
Another example of your "business acumen".
"I've half a mind to cancel my credit card do ebay can't collect"
Hate to break the news to you, but it don't work that way.
If it did, I would have torn up those pesky mortgage papers a long time ago...
Maybe someday you'll discover that it simply is a helluva lot less work to be honest.
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JSmith99
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posted on October 4, 2000 02:45:48 PM
I've half a mind to cancel my credit card so eBay can't collect.
Go ahead. You'll find that they've got revolving authorization to charge your account for your monthly bills, and that your credit card agreement will make you liable for these charges even if they post after you cancel your card.
End result: You won't be able to use the card anymore, but eBay will still get their money.
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mboyko
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posted on October 4, 2000 02:48:52 PM
Yeah well good thing it's tied to a checking account debit card then, isn't it? The bank will NOT honor any charges if funds aren't in the bank. I'll withdraw all my money and close the account and that will be that. I'm not going to take this crap from eBay.
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RB
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posted on October 4, 2000 02:53:49 PM
JSmith99 ... NOT!
All you have to do is send a letter or FAX to your credit card company and instruct them to cease honouring any invoices from eBay. I had to do this when eBay refused to cough up some listing and selling credits they owed me (due to deadbeat bidders). I don't think they will accept an email or telephone instruction though.
And to all of you who think this thread is going nowhere, don't stop posting. We're going for a new record (just don't tell radh eh!).
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RB
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posted on October 4, 2000 02:55:39 PM
njrazd - "The fact that they don't comment doesn't mean anything."
except that they are all candyasses
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Crystalline_Sliver
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posted on October 4, 2000 02:58:40 PM
I doubt we can outbeat Fashion's "List" thread by a friggin miracle.
:\\\"Crystalline Sliver cannot be the target of spells or abilities.
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Muriel
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posted on October 4, 2000 02:59:50 PM
I just read the "pizza box" feedback. ROTFLMAO!!! 
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outoftheblue
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posted on October 4, 2000 03:42:42 PM
HartCottageQuilts
With that logic, why not buy a new $50 shirt at Macy's and attempt to get a refund by "returning" one of your old worn-out ones? Hey, you're returning a shirt, right? What's the big deal?
Believe it or not, this type of thing happens all of the time. With average "so-called" upstanding citizens. I know people who used to purchase Beanie Babies at Nordstroms and Hallmark stores and then return the older less popular ones using the same receipt.
This really irritated me that normal supposedly honest individuals that I knew and liked would do this. They didn't even feel bad about it.
[ edited by outoftheblue on Oct 4, 2000 03:43 PM ]
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texmontana
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posted on October 4, 2000 05:21:46 PM
Lets see...eBay's robbing YOU blind??? That's exactly what you were doing with your creative relist scheme and your over-priced shipping practices. Doesn't feel so good, huh?
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networker67
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posted on October 4, 2000 05:25:38 PM
edited for double post
[ edited by networker67 on Oct 4, 2000 05:31 PM ]
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networker67
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posted on October 4, 2000 05:25:40 PM
glenda & texmontana - First off it matters because the user was suspended for aledged site interference. Then they respond and change the allegation to fee avoidance and either way the only proof they can furnish is a post from auction watch posted by the user.
Sorry but although mboyko postd about a technique. Only mboyko knows if he/she ever used that technique. So unless those idiots at ebay safeharbor/support has an auction that shows this technique was used to commit fee avoidance there are no grounds for a suspension. There are griounds to monitor the activity and relist history of this user and maybe issue a warning but nothing else. And if you think posting here is grounds for a NARU all you ebay can do wrongers need to pack up and flee auction watch.
I say again since an ebay employee couldn't act on something read here. It had to be reported by somebody who read it here. And that low life nameless coward should be taken out back and shot like the worthless human being they are. You wonderful folks happily condone ebay's failure to apply due process. Now let's raise the stakes a bit suppose it was the government and all a person had to do was tell the IRS you did ebay and they suspect that you hadn't reported your income and the IRS just audited you. That wouldn't be so nice would it.
Or what if your son/daughter were suspended from school because the principal received an annonomous letter that they did something wrong. Told anyone dare post a lie that they would just accept the suspension. You wouldn't because you like all Americans have come to expect a manner of due process. AND sadly ebay seems to think that World Venue means they can forget the basic rules of America since they deal on a Worldly basis. Judging by the mindset of many of you one would think America is full because we say so puppets. Because that's just what many of you sound like.
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jeanyu
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posted on October 4, 2000 05:30:32 PM
Here goes--been waiting a long time to post this---CHEATERS NEVER WIN.
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Shoshanah
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posted on October 4, 2000 05:37:22 PM
Because I am a weak, slow female, I read slowly...So I am still in the process of digesting (or is it ruminating) outoftheblue's comment that:
Be careful here. He is still a human being and not garbage, in response to
"Good riddance to bad rubbish."...
I am having a tiny little bit of a problem understanding what make him human, but WE, the female gender, are cows...hmmmm...
As to comic123's comment: mboyko, everyone does it...except most of them keep it down. You do it shout to the world which wasn't very wise to begin with....
I beg to differ...WE do not all do it..Speak for yourself. Not everyone has been blessed with being impervious to a code of ethics.
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Shosh
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/rifkah/
[ edited by Shoshanah on Oct 4, 2000 05:39 PM ]
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texmontana
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posted on October 4, 2000 05:38:54 PM
networker67:
Huh?
Perhaps you did not read mboyko's thread about his relisting technique. He full outright admitted that he did it. Let's say my son was posting cheating tecniques on the internet, and was ratted-out and suspended. The minute I saw his post, as apparently eBay saw mboyko's, he would be getting some due process, alright. I'm sorry, I do not think it makes one chicken to report wrong-doing anonymously. Thousands of BAD criminals go to jail every year thanks to programs like crime watchers, etc. The fact of the matter is, honest sellers don't appreciate dishonest sellers, and it gets our hackles up to see mboyko's behavior defended. He did wrong. Period.
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