dejavu
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posted on October 4, 2000 05:44:23 PM
texmontana~ honest sellers pay the price for the dishsonest ones because we lose credibility in the ebay marketplace. For every customer that has been burned you can be damn sure that they are wary about making future purchases on this venue! I know I am.
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mzalez
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posted on October 4, 2000 05:53:02 PM
I believe mboyko, you were turned in by someone here on this message board. You sure insulted enough people with your name-calling, insensitive comments and such. For sure some people got ticked off and got revenge. If I were in your shoes I'd be watching my back and keeping my mouth closed.
I'm just curious, do you have similar problems in life? You seem to be like a 'bull in a china shop', and that always leads to trouble. Maybe you like the high drama?
Too bad about being slammed by eBay, tho. I would think you would at least get a warning first. Keep us posted as to what develops.
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comic123
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posted on October 4, 2000 06:05:39 PM
mboyko, why are you continuing with this thread. You are suspended which to me sounds rather terrible because I was turned in my self by Rossthehooligan several months ago (before he was suspended too I might add).
What you should seriously consider is to change your name here in AW & you should thank everyone here who has given you some very valauble tips such as if you want to create a new id change the way you list because I am sure the scoundrel who turned you in will be surfing to make sure he catches you in the act of creating a 2nd ID.
If you expect pity by your continous posting, sorry you are not going to get it here. I suggest you just begina new life with a new id. Its easy enough...its the internet. You can be the King of France for all I care.
BTW I just want to add the I do not turn people in nor do I believe in being spiteful to those that I disagree with. Heck you all know I am pretty rough with my replies...direct to the point & while I disagree with a lot of you folks, it has nothing to do with the fine auctions you are putting out (unless of course you are my direct competitio in which case I wish your business just go down the pipe  Just kidding haha). Your business is yours alone & most of you have the brains to decide what's best for ye self.
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pattaylor
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posted on October 4, 2000 06:28:15 PM
Everyone,
This thread is becoming increasingly personal and combative. Please remember to address the subject, not the individual.
If the discussion continues in this vein, I will have to lock the thread.
Pat
[email protected]
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HartCottageQuilts
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posted on October 4, 2000 06:42:39 PM
So, mboyko, the fees you avoided added up to about $5?
Tell me, was it worth it?
Never mind. I know: YOU're the victim here.
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Glenda
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posted on October 4, 2000 06:44:34 PM
networker67: It's irrelevant whether mboyko was turned in by someone here or an eBay employee read them here.
But that aside, Mboyko knew he was posting here with his eBay ID; he knew that people had looked at his auctions from previous threads. Yet he chose to be witty, cute, and clever (or any other words you choose to use) by starting a thread that detailed how he has been interfering with the way the site is supposed to operate, and avoiding fees while doing it.
All an eBay rep had to do was pull up his account and look - the item that was credited is listed, followed by what the new auction number is:
Insertion fee: XXXXXXXXX
Relisting item: YYYYYYYYY
From there, the rep could plug in the first number in Search, look at the item, then plug in the "relisted" item number - if the two titles, description, and picture aren't the same, then ....
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mboyko
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posted on October 4, 2000 07:06:54 PM
You ask me was it worth it? Ebay should be the one asking if it was worth it. . They're going to lose a lot more than 5 bucks. They lost a good seller. I won't tolerate this sort of action on their part. There are other places to sell.
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networker67
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posted on October 4, 2000 07:07:49 PM
glenda - All of that sounds good and might even be what ebay safeharbor did. However, they told the user that first it was site interference which it is not. Then when the user challenged site interference in his protest they come back with the AW Post which isn't proof of anything. The AW Post mentions no particular auction and like so much that is posted here could have been just a question posed as a situation.
So if ebay did a match of auctions as you say they could have why not tell the user the specific auction in which the fee avoidance occurred. Instead they acted with no proof because if they had some proof they would sited their proof.
Think back to my litigation with ebay. A whole lot of allegations and not one shred of proof. A lot of nice legal mumbo jumbo with no basis in fact or evidence. I would have thought that expensive lesson would have taught them better than to keep operating like that. I know; "let's see how stupid they really are".
I just won this neat Palm III on ebay. Now let's see if they run back to Federal Court with no evidence to say I broke the agreement because I posted on auction watch.
Please be that stupid ebay, I could use some free cash when you can't prove it
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tacress
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posted on October 4, 2000 07:50:56 PM
Well here I am again, still unconvinced.
First email eBay states the reason for suspension is "Interfering with eBay's site and/or operations - The deliberate use of any device, software, routine, or activity to interfere or attempt to interfere with
any of eBay's operations" THEN the second email states "Your account was suspended specifically for fee avoidance. The
following post and credits posted to your account were taken into consideration when your account was suspended..." and goes on to quote on off site message board post???? Why not simply state 'fee avoidance with item #'s XXXXXXX, XXXXXXXX, XXXXXXX'???
Two different emails, two different reasons, no item #'s to specifically show user fault, but A POST OFF OF A MESSAGE BOARD?
All seems very odd to me.
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amy
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posted on October 4, 2000 07:59:34 PM
I am volunteering to increase my listings 20% to cover the $100 ebay is losing by having suspended Mboyko.
Ebay, if you will promise to make the suspension for Mboyko permanent I will promise to increase my listings so that my fees to ebay increases by $100. I will do this on a continuing basis.
I do this for the good of the community.
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anttoinett
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posted on October 4, 2000 08:07:20 PM
Everytime mboyko's posts here I just have to giggle. I will also increase my auctions for the E-bay community!!
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RB
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posted on October 4, 2000 08:15:33 PM
Of for heavens sakes amy and anttoinett - two almost identical 'promises' from two aliases who do not have to prove they will do what they say they will do, and who do not have to worry about any consequences of failing to do what they say they are going to do.
Why not 'donate' all this extra money you have to some worthy cause instead of eBay - they've already got enough.
Both of you remind me of the kid who is really nice to his Mom when the other kid is getting punished. Talk about browning ... BIG time
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networker67
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posted on October 4, 2000 08:16:28 PM
amy and anttoinett - I am sure ebay appreciates your increasing your listings but however since his offense isn't one that draws a permanent suspension why would you suggest such a thing? Are ebay sellers of such a petty nature that they can't master the art of live and let live?
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vorlon4
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posted on October 4, 2000 08:37:40 PM
I wasn't going to join this feeding frenzy but this comment by Mr. Boyko has GOT to be challenged... ahem...
" Ebay should be the one asking if it was worth it. . They're going to lose a lot more than 5 bucks. They lost a good seller. "
GOOD SELLER???
- Mails items in a used Pizza Box.
- Mails items in a bug infested rotten fruit box.
- Calls a customer a B****.
- Charges people double shipping out of sheer greed. (Yeah I know it's your terms of sale, don't like it don't bid.)
If this is a good seller, I'd hate to see a bad one.
Never encountered a sociopath before but the total lack of comprehension that any wrong was done is ASTOUNDING. Sociopathic tendencies for sure.
Sellers like this are no loss-we all benefit when they're weeded out.
(NOT vorlon4 on Ebay- someone stole that name... )
[ edited by vorlon4 on Oct 4, 2000 08:41 PM ]
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amy
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posted on October 4, 2000 08:41:18 PM
Oh Networker I do live and let live. I have no desire to see Mboyko no longer live..I hope he lives to a ripe old age..and he probably will.
But, when it comes to the actions of another that have a negative impact on me, then I will speak out.
The business practices of this "seller" has a negative impact on all sellers on ebay, and all other online auction merchants. His actions are of the type that gives the rest of us a blackeye and causes people to stop buying at online auctions.
Less buyers affect my bottom line, my profits. So, in this case, I hope the ebay id Mboyko is permanently dead.
And if his bad business practices weren't enough, he also cheats ebay out of their rightful income. If we ignore that..if we "live and let live"..then the rest of us will eventually have higher fees because of his, and others like him, dishonesty.
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pattaylor
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posted on October 4, 2000 08:51:59 PM
vorlon4,
Your comment:
"Never encountered a sociopath before but the total lack of comprehension that any wrong was done is ASTOUNDING. Sociopathic tendencies for sure."
is very close to the line. Please discuss the topic, not the individual.
Thanks for your cooperation.
Pat
[email protected]
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mboyko
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posted on October 4, 2000 08:56:49 PM
Yes I am a good seller. I am honest and I follow my stated terms exactly. My 98 percent customer satisfaction rate is higher than most business outfits. How many car dealerships, auto mechanic shops, restaurants, banks, etc. could boast such a satisfaction rate? Not many.
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eastwest
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posted on October 4, 2000 09:05:08 PM
WOULD YOU SHUT UP YOU GOT CAUGHT THAT IT LIVE WITH IT AND STOP MAKING THREADS ABOUT THE SAME THING ...YOU GOT CAUGHT BOTTOM LINE!!!
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Glenda
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posted on October 4, 2000 09:20:17 PM
networker67: since his offense isn't one that draws a permanent suspension
A little challenge for you: Quote the policy that says it is not. Oh, oops, you can't set foot on eBay.... let me:
"eBay will consider the circumstances of an alleged offense and the user's trading records before taking action. Disciplinary action may range from a formal warning, up to indefinite suspension of a user's account."
tacress: "Why not simply state 'fee avoidance with item #'s XXXXXXX, XXXXXXXX, XXXXXXX'???"
Maybe in nearly 2 years it came to more items than would have been practical to list? The email said "... post and credits posted to your account." I don't think it was incumbent upon them to show specific item numbers, since the rep stated where they found the proof.
By the way, I think that this was an "activity" / "routine" that interfered with the relisting "operation" on eBay, which had the result of "fee avoidance". Perhaps some people are interpreting that clause to mean creashing their servers; I don't see it as that restrictive.
[ edited by Glenda on Oct 4, 2000 09:22 PM ]
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godfrey94
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posted on October 4, 2000 09:21:57 PM
Networker & RB – Your comments on this subject seem to reflect that Mboyko it telling you the complete story. Ebay does not just randomly kick people off their site, it is bad business and would generate lots of bad press. Not to mention the extra $5.00 here and there. Ebay gives warnings, then temporary suspentions and then finally you are kicked off for good. I get the feeling there is much more to this then what was originally stated by Mboyko …. Like mybe “I already had a fews warning and then I got thrown off” There seems to be pieces of this puzzle missing – it doesn’t jive.
The other thing is why do you keep saying that someone from this board turned him in? I shudder to think that someone has enough free time to tell ebay about the posts on this board. I don’t think it is too far fetched to think that maybe they monitor the boards themselves – then to go back and check listings to verify the claims that were made (by the author).
In my experiences I have found when a person gets indignant it is almost always a sign of quilt.
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mboyko
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posted on October 4, 2000 09:24:50 PM
I got no warning from eBay whatsoever. Just BOOM! suspended.
And I've never been warned previously for any other type of offenses.
[ edited by mboyko on Oct 4, 2000 09:27 PM ]
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eastwest
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posted on October 4, 2000 09:32:10 PM
how long is your nose ...and how long was it last week ...i bet there is a difference in the length!!!!!!
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networker67
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posted on October 4, 2000 10:04:09 PM
eastwest - wow what brought that on? Moving along mboyko didn't get caught he got snitched on and ebay still hasn't any proof that an infraction has ensued. In fact let's face the reality of the situation if a user here wasn't upset with some of mboyko's post here no one at ebay would have had a clue.
And someone here sends a copy of a thread from auction watch to ebay support and a user gets suspended with no real proof from ebay's proprietary systems that a violation occurred. Why should any ebay user have to live with punishment for an infraction that ebay can't prove or disprove happened. Wrong is wrong no matter who the wrong is committed against. If this same thing happened one of the AW faithful many of you would be lining to have a protest of ebay. Or worse you would flood AW with request to get to start a flood safeharbor emailcampauign to get so and so reinstated. Wrong is wrong and no matter what you think of mboyko or his fedback policies, his choice of packing material, or his excessive handling fees Everyone knows my position on those boogers ebay had no reason to suspend the user. There is no proof of fee avoidance except the AW post and without an actual auction how do we even know they did it?
He posted a technique without an auction to prove if it works. How do we even know that so-called technique works? Obviously ebay has a hard time accepting when it is wrong. And obviously some AW users have a hard accepting that just because ebay does something doesn't make it right. You guys cry about effecting your sales.
Letting ebay develop the mindset that anything they do is okay with you is why they raise fees. Because they know you won't care because ebay is great, ebay is perfect, I should pay ebay higher fees. That's how many posters here sound and that part of all of this is what really kicks networker67 in the short ones.
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godfrey94
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posted on October 4, 2000 10:15:46 PM
Networker - How do you know that you are getting all the facts? How do you know that Mboyko has told you everything?? You are making assumptions and you know whappens when you ass-um-e.
You are only reading one side of the story.
[ edited by godfrey94 on Oct 4, 2000 10:16 PM ]
[ edited by godfrey94 on Oct 4, 2000 10:18 PM ]
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tc61380
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posted on October 4, 2000 10:28:29 PM
Holy crap...it is scary to see how the internet can be so easily become the Fourth Reich...how people so easily forget the Gestapo
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Glenda
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posted on October 4, 2000 10:30:18 PM
networker67: You're seeing what you want to see, and can't get past that somebody may have turned him in.
There is no proof of fee avoidance except the AW post and without an actual auction how do we even know they did it?
The email said "... post and credits posted to your account."
They looked at his account.
[ edited by Glenda on Oct 4, 2000 10:30 PM ]
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packer
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posted on October 4, 2000 10:39:04 PM
This whole thread is very disturbing to me.
First of all I'd like to see the last e-mail to mboyko posted with FULL HEADERS. Lets see if it is real or not.
Now if it is REAL, it disturbs me a great deal that someone from this forum went running to e-bay to report something he may or may not have done.
My gosh you know yourselves all the troll threads that are started with outlandish ideas. Just because this is one that could be identified and connected to e-bay doesn't give the right for someone to run to e-bay and cry FOWL!
Can anyone here PROVE he did what he stated. Hey, I thought it was a novel idea myself(now admit it who else thought that?)Because I don't have a scemeing mind I would have never thought of doing that.
I've been on this board long enough to know that when ever eBay goes down and we lose the last minutes of our auction....all we want to do is GET EVEN.....THEY OWE US! And of corse we all know we will never recover those dollars lost in snipe bids...RIGHT?
Well to me mboyko showed us a way to recoup some of our losses eBay has cost us MANY times in the past. Are we not allowed to try and recoup our costs, Even if it is a quarter? Ebay sure isn't going to give us sellers a break....They have gotten to big to care about us anymore.
Remember the days you could relist once TOTALLY FREE. you got to relist and NO CHARGES were made.
Having said all that.....I don't condone mboyko's selling practices by any stretch.
But as it was said here before..."He who cast the first stone"
Now you can all jump all over me.....But you all know who you are that complained the LOUDEST when e-bay was down and you got no compansation for it!
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networker67
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posted on October 4, 2000 10:46:16 PM
glenda - first off I can go to ebay anytime I please i just can't register any new accounts. And since you don't need a user ID to see the TOS or site policies. You really make yourself sound quite silly.
Now here's one for you let's suppose that someone from safeharbor took the time to do all of that. They still have to list the specific auction where it was free re-list where the technique was used. The email from safeharbor still doesn't site a specific instance. You give them way too much credit. They are dumb as rocks over there. Because all they had to do find was one specific auction and site it. They didn't because that is too much like right and fair. instead they choose the attitude we are the mighty ebay and say and do what we please when we please. That attitude will get them in a lot of trouble.
godfrey You make a vlaid point however, I have a great deal of experiecne with ebay and their inability to prove anything they say or do. In fact mboyko could actually have lied from point one However, the wording of the safeharbor emails are far too accurate and sound exactly like they are worded. So let's entertain the notion however false that mboyko is lying to us here. You don't find it humorous that he post about a technique, the first post to reply tells him that someone might eport it to safeharbor and low and behold it happens and he/she is suspended. That sounds a little to peachy keen for me. I would hope ebay monitors the threads from time to time. However that still doesn't justify suspending a user first for site interference and then explaining that it is fee avoidance while still failing to site a specific auction.
Face it ebay is a corrupt corporation. I know from experience they lie, are arrogant, extremely pompous, and have this attitude of they can do what they damn well please. Which is fine by me because it allows me to take the attitude towards them.
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networker67
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posted on October 4, 2000 10:57:43 PM
packer - you make an excellent point.
mboyko can we see those emails with full headers? If you don't know how to do it by all means forward them to me. I might not agree with your business practices but since ebay's practices border similar to yours I can't agree with theirs either. So show us those headers and show these ebay lovers that their mighty safeharbor are the idiots that I already know they are. Along with ebay support, ebay legal, ebay billing, ebay network/systems support, and finally ebay management. I think that runs the gamut on idiots at ebay and covers most of the major ones. If peirre was smart he would get while the billions still have value. The idiots that he has surrounded himself with have really managed to foul things up.
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packer
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posted on October 4, 2000 11:27:39 PM
One more thought before I head for bed.
I know it has been stated many times on this board that when you do..do a relist you want to change it as much as possible so that no one will suspect or spot right away that this item didn't sell before.
When I do a relist I wait till the very last day when it goes off "search completed items" (29 days)because I don't want anyone to see that I have had to relist because of no sale.
How many have you gone to "search completed item" and seen the same thing relisted week after another with no bids and the price keeps dropping and dropping. I don't even look at the item, I figure after that many times its not worth my time. And these people have no imagination. For goodness sake are they so lazy that they can't even change the title.
Well anyway this is my thought on the subject of RELIST!
You change it in everyway possible to make it look like a new listing.
So I guess my point is this....mboyko was snitched on, because there is no way that ebay technology could have caught it.
I got to go to bed....nite all!!
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