posted on August 21, 2005 08:52:28 PM new
No, kiara.....trying to run people off the board has NEVER been something I've wanted to do.
That's just more false accusations from you. Now, helen has invited more than a couple to leave ONLY because they hold differing opinions....but I've never heard you make a comment about that.
Again....it wouldn't matter to me WHO was President...a dem or a republican....if you still held the position you do now.....NO BLAMING saddam....only blaming an [any] American President .....then I'd still call you anti-American and pro-saddam. Because you have supported the actions HE wanted the world to take....against what the UN [world] was insisting he do.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
I find it almost unbelievable that you are working under the assumption that we are fighting a war in Iraq because we were attacked by terrorists. After 9/11, the American public was wrapped in the flag and primed to go to war with the patriotic fervor of a nation supposedly in danger of attack. They were duped into believing that weapons of mass destruction were pointed in our direction - ready to fire in forty five minutes. Since then, half a dozen reasons for the invasion and occupation have been used in addition to weapons of mass destruction --- ties to al Qaeda terrorism, the building of a democracy, Hussein was a bad man....the tales go on and on....Now, the story is that we are there so we have to stay there....just like Vietnam.
You guys have apparently been out to lunch for the past few years. I don't have the time or the inclination to bring you up to speed or deal with Linda's scatterbrained hysteria tonight. It's midnight.
And, No, Ron...I didn't invent the forty five minute readiness. Bush did.
posted on August 21, 2005 09:00:33 PM new
Well...I just love how the anti-war people forget that this President spoke about the whole 'war on terror'. That included nations like saddams that WERE financially supporting terrorists....he was....no denying that.
That included nations like Afghanistan that chose to harbor terrorists...etc...etc..etc.
And it was the world who demanded saddam comply with their resolutions....they like to forget that too.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 21, 2005 09:06:27 PM new
Yes, helen just gets all upset when American's actually defend or stick up for their own country. She just can't stand as she calls it....wrapping ourselves in our flag.
After 9/11, the American public was wrapped in the flag and primed to go to war with the patriotic fervor of a nation supposedly in danger of attack.
But you must realize that helen is one of those who supports people who burn our flag. She'd rather see protests where people are burning our flag because she agrees with their position, against America, than to see American's 'wrapping' themselves in a flag they honor and respect, supporting America.
But then she says she see's herself as a patriot. LOL LOL LOL
sure........
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 21, 2005 09:09:02 PM new
You have your opinions on Bush and the war, lindak. As I said, I'm not trying to change your opinion. But you trying to tell others lies about what I believe or that I gave a pro-saddam speech when none exists and I haven't edited anything, shows me that you feel very insecure or threatened about the opinions I write here, otherwise you wouldn't respond that way or feel the need to change them. But like I said, I understand.
posted on August 21, 2005 09:14:22 PM new
To me it's absolutely baffling that the leftists can't even acknowledge the UN resolutions. They were right there for all to see and read in simple to understand language. Also the fact that SH did support terrorism by paying the families of Palistinian suicide bombers.
Come on you lefties, what's so hard about admitting facts. Leave out all the what if's and what about scenarios that go along with your political beliefs and just admit to these facts, what's so damnn hard about that?.
posted on August 21, 2005 09:14:30 PM new
"Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us."
posted on August 21, 2005 09:20:20 PM new
LOL....do Canadian's ever get quoted or don't they ever have anything worth repeating to say?
No one is restricting your speech kiara.....only you see it that way. I am disagreeing with it in TOTAL.
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piinthesky - Yes, and the liberals are the UN's biggest supporters too. While many other American's would like to see us EXIT from the UN....as they do absolutely nothing but talk about things. When the heat's on....they call on us to be the backbone and enforcer of their decisions.
But even when the UN makes a call.....or a demand that the off-the-wall liberals think is wrong....they refuse to face the facts of the organization THEY so support. LOL no backbones in them either.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 21, 2005 09:34:17 PM new
I didn't mean it as threats that would make you shake, lindak........ though it's interesting you may think that way.
It's one thing to disagree when some of us post our opinions or the reality of what is happening in Iraq but it seems to threaten your opinion so much so that you have to lower yourself and immediately label others, call them names and then twist what they have said instead of letting their words stand as they are. To me that seems like you are unable to calmly and rationally accept a disagreeing opinion.
posted on August 21, 2005 09:43:58 PM new
What you see is that I don't like it when others side with terroists against my country. THEN blame my country and never fault our enemies.
That describes many liberals, anti-war posters here....just like you.
So I speak out and say so - say why I don't see the issue in the same way you do....then YOU don't like that - and start with all this 'por me, I can't say what I want to say' crap. LOL
You get pretty upset when something negative is said about your country - and go into a defense mode. But somehow in your twisted view that's oh so different and allowed when you're doing it.
I'm not going to sit quietly by while you side with saddam against ANY American policy that my country has establised. As our policys are made by both dems and reps....are signed by both dem and rep. Presidents and become our laws. Just as the Liberation of Iraq Act did under the clinton administration.
It's NOT just this President's policy. It's our National policies that you're so against. Too bad....Canadians don't get to set American policy - thank heaven.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 21, 2005 09:56:57 PM new
More lies from you, lindak. I seldom discuss Canada except to correct lies and propaganda you've posted here. Canada always seems foremost in your mind whenever I post here........ your xenophobic problem and not mine.
Nowhere have I ever stated I side with the terrorists or Saddam, that's a lie and more propaganda from you. I haven't seen anyone that posts here ever say that they side with the terrorists.
and start with all this 'por me, I can't say what I want to say' crap.
Another lie as I've always said exactly what I've wanted to say here even though you seem to get more upset over my opinions than anyone else.
Now do you see what I mean? Every time you see an opposing opinion you react emotionally with lies and labels and twisting of statements. You can't help yourself. But as I said, I understand.
posted on August 21, 2005 10:07:19 PM new
No, kiara....you only fool yourself....not others who can clearly see which side you support. When one does not accuse the terrorist, nor ever mention their behavior as being wrong....that speaks for itself, especially when all they do is critize what America IS doing. There's no in between with you, helen and people like yourselves.
You only blame America....just can't EVER put the responsibilty on the one who starts the problem.
So what I'm saying is.....you and helen don't have to actually state: "I support saddam". But when you support his side of the issue and disagree with set American policy....that IS making a choice of who you support. No getting around it.
xenophobic problem LOL.....don't blame my total distain for you on all Canadians. I've known several in my lifetime who I have enormous respect for....you're just not one of them. You don't represent all Canadians.....nor your country. You're just one little person who won't even give your allegiance to only Canada. You're an Internationalist who doesn't understand others have a respect and loyality to only their country. You mock that all the time....because you can't even understand the concept.
I'm done with this pissing contest. You're free to state anything you wish on these boards, but don't expect to silence my opinions on what you say here. Because that's just not going to happen.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 21, 2005 10:16:28 PM new
"I like to believe that people in the long run are going to do more to promote peace than our governments. Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower, General and Republican President
posted on August 21, 2005 10:26:46 PM new
I will never have peace as long as i know that there is someone out in the world that wants to kill me and all of my fellow Americans regardless of theirs and my political or religious beliefs.
posted on August 21, 2005 10:41:57 PM new
I would like to believe that Eisenhower's quote 'governments' means governments worldwide. And I truly believe that most people worldwide wish to live in peace and that unthinking, power-happy leaders and terrorists do not represent their wishes.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God."
posted on August 21, 2005 11:00:27 PM new
Sure governments may wish for peace and citizens of governments may wish for peace but you cannot exclude unthinking, power-happy leaders as you call them and terrorists To do so would be like cutting off your nose despite your face. These people also represent governments, maybe not in the normal accepted sense of the word but in their beliefs of how the world should be governed.
'Wishing for peace' really has nothing to do with it. 'Need' and the realities of the conditions of the world and peoples beliefs are what matters the most. As they say; 'wish' in one hand and shitt in the other and see which one fills up faster.
I'm just glad that we have the Peacemaker missle in our arsenal, thank you Jesus.
posted on August 21, 2005 11:33:55 PM new
Eisenhower's quote said that people will promote peace more than governments and I believe that. It's been said here by Washingtonebayer how the US government lashed out blindly after 9/11. Actually they went after Bin Laden and so did other governments so that was the correct action.
The focus should have remained on Bin Laden and not taken to Iraq, that was a rash action. Saddam was not a peaceful leader and terrorized his own people but was not responsible for 9/11. There are dictators and terrorists in Africa and other places worldwide but there is no way the US can take on the entire world.
I realize that some have laughed at the statement of 'understanding the terrorists' but to gain control in any situation one must study the enemy and understand what motivates them and how they operate. It's called strategy and planning, something sadly lacking in the Iraqi war. Everyone realizes this and so do the terrorists of course and that's why 'staying the course' doesn't work.
You don't represent all Canadians.....nor your country.
Just a note, I told lindak a long time ago that I do not represent Canada, that I am an individual with my own thoughts and opinions and I don't speak for or represent any country.
posted on August 22, 2005 05:29:39 AM new
"I like to believe that people in the long run are going to do more to promote peace than our governments. Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it."
Good quote, Kiara. I'll bet Eisenhower never imagined that his quote would be so applicable to an American administration.
Linda's "opinions" as she calls them are misinformed. The Bush propaganda machine has misled her and now a minority of Americans to form opinions which are at variance with fact.
posted on August 22, 2005 05:38:25 AM newIt's called strategy and planning, something sadly lacking in the Iraqi war. Everyone realizes this and so do the terrorists of course..
hahaha! Wh at a J/A!!!
When was the last time you were involved in planning strategy for a war, kiara?
And please note reading a Tom Clancy novel or pretending youre Mrs. Fletcher ala murder she wrote, does not quite qualify your opinions on strategies of a "real war."
Linda, you see that crystal ball? She even knows what the terrorists are thinking! Wow!! I think the pentagon should hire her, and skippy-doo to it, too! She'll have the strategy for the entire middle east ironed out in no time!!
posted on August 22, 2005 06:28:57 AM newI disagree with where you are trying to go, as we have been attacked. We lashed out and in our zeal we lashed out at anything that even looked like it might be bad
I didn't say "blindly", thank you very much.
We had intel, we acted on that intel, it turned out to be bad intel. Oh well. It happens in War .
Helen, it doesn't matter why we are there now, we are there, we need to finish and set a time line for leaving. I don't believe President Bush is a bad President and definately the best choice of the last election of the two major parties.
Back to the topic at hand, it never has been broached that some people here seem to relish when good men and women are going to die in Iraq because that looks bad on President Bush.
Got news for you people, in war people die, always have always will.
Ron
[ edited by WashingtoneBayer on Aug 22, 2005 06:29 AM ]
posted on August 22, 2005 06:39:25 AM new
Nowhere have I stated that I know the strategy and planning of this war or that I know what the terrorists are thinking. That's the job for higher-ups who study such things specifically and they should be the ones that the government looks to for advice before even going to war.
The majority of people are against the war in Iraq and thankfully more are beginning to realize that they cannot trust their government to do right. Bush, Rumsfeld, Rove, Rice, Cheney et al are not the face of America, the citizens as a whole represent the true values of America and they are speaking out. It's taken awhile but now it is happening. Programming such as "Dead Wrong" on CNN last evening is a beginning.
Sorry, Washingtonebayer that I attributed the word 'blindly' to you.
posted on August 22, 2005 06:50:42 AM new
Classicrock mentioned a couple of times that 'the left' loves to relish in the deaths of the troops to make Bush look bad. I don't think that people relish seeing their children, their friends and their friend's children, brothers, sisters, and loved ones being slaughtered in a war just to prove Bush wrong.
I sincerely believe that the majority of caring individuals value life much more than that and it's the reason why they would rather see peace worldwide.
posted on August 22, 2005 07:17:24 AM newNowhere have I stated that I know the strategy and planning of this war
Well gee kiara, if you dont know anything about strategy and planning of war - how do you pronounce that "it is sadly lacking from it?"...And even the terrorists realize this?"
What a joke!
never has been broached that some people here seem to relish when good men and women are going to die in Iraq because that looks bad on President Bush...
oh yes, Ron. Dont you see mingotree and the others gladly posting more deaths here (as if nobody listens to the news) like its the a new trump card they get to flash? They, the dead get played out as if its is upping their ante: I raise you 16 more dead bodies - what have you got?
Then they wonder why nobody has any respect for one friggin thing they say.
posted on August 22, 2005 07:31:53 AM new
The commanders on the ground have admitted that there weren't enough troops and that the borders remain unguarded and the troops lacked the proper equipment to keep them safe. They have also now admitted that they are going against a 'thinking enemy', something that they misjudged at the beginning because they didn't take time to learn.
Helen, when I read some of the Presidential quotes I think that they spoke from the wisdom of being being in power and the dangers that it can present if used unwisely.
posted on August 22, 2005 07:39:02 AM newThe commanders on the ground have admitted that there weren't enough troops and that the borders remain unguarded and the troops lacked the proper equipment to keep them safe...
So what? Go back and read some history, you dumb sh*. - War is full of surprises and things that go unplanned.
posted on August 22, 2005 07:53:21 AM new
Every word out of your mouth is designed to critize the U.S. Military and further empower the enemy. You're no friend of any soldier and your no patriotic American- loving peaceful soul. Youre a nagging bedeviled wuss, that doesnt have one clue what it takes to fight in a war.
posted on August 22, 2005 08:32:08 AM new
Um..DBLfugger.. is this the part where you keep poking at Kiara until she responds, and then you go into your PITCH A FIT MODE and start frothing at the mouth and start speaking in tongues and screaming that Kiara is obsessed with you and follows you from post to post...then you bring up an auction of yours that someone mentioned about a lamp 10 years ago etc.etc...then comes more insults and finally the rubber manurer hats start flying...
LOL... sameoldsh!t....over and over again..Will someone please jog her needle, it's stuck again!
