posted on August 22, 2005 08:45:52 AM new
The reasons for invading Iraq have been changed many times. The reality of this war is enlightening so many individuals that peace camps are formed, commanders, senators and returning soldiers and their families are speaking out and the media is focusing on programming such as 'Dead Wrong'.
A pro-Bush camp has also been set up and they have a sign "God Bless Our President" with a life-size cardboard cutout of Bush. They bring religion into it and idolize a leader yet show disdain for enemies who do anything similar.
I think the greatest worry should be that Bush & Co will become more concerned at public opinion and at the concern of being outed so they may do something even more rash than has already been done.
Maggie, dblfugger and lindak have both noted for weeks now that they are ignoring my comments and have no interest in anything I say here.
posted on August 22, 2005 09:06:02 AM new
kiara - Obviously you didn't read what I wrote yesterday....that I will comment on all your false and anti-American statements. PRETEND differently if you wish.
The FACTS are that this President has said if more troops are needed, if the commanders say they need more, they will get more.
Many commanders on the field have said they didn't want more. So there obviously is a difference of opinion, even between the commanders, on what they see as needed.
Second Ron is right. You and others like you USE the deaths of our soldiers as your 'trump cards'....just like in this thread. "More good news in Iraq" and just WHAT IS that 'good news"????? that more of our troops will be under more attacks.
NO ONE can possibly see that as GOOD NEWS.....except those who have no true support for our forces nor our country in winning this war.
And on your mention of 'we need to understand them crap'......WE already DO....it's YOU who refuse to believe THEIR words, THEIR threats, THEIR promises. So just because you still can't grasp what their goals are....WE DO.....and have no intention of sitting back peacefully and allowing them to accomplish THEIR goals.
Read the link above and learn something about 'THEM'....from Larry Elder, who obviously already has a handle on why TALKING it out.....UNDERSTANDING THEM....isn't going to change a friggen thing.
Get your pacifist head out of the sand and back into some sort of reality based thinking process for a change.
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 22, 2005 09:16 AM ]
posted on August 22, 2005 09:06:56 AM new
Sure..DBL...LOL
Kiara... I'm sure you know by now that the vast majority of us respect and admire your intelligent posts here on the RT. We look forward to your clear thinking, non hysterical, posting..unlike the silly blathering from you know who.. the Heckle & Jeckle twins...
posted on August 22, 2005 09:11:48 AM new
and on kiara's A pro-Bush camp has also been set up and they have a sign "God Bless Our President" with a life-size cardboard cutout of Bush. They bring religion into it and idolize a leader yet show disdain for enemies who do anything similar.
Oh right....more twisting from kiara.
The facts are those parents who also lost children in these wars don't agree with the cindy sheehan crowd.
They've removed the crosses that this activist group have put up with THEIR FALLEN CHILDS names on them.
They have every right to do so too. The deaths of their children are just as important to them as are those of the parent who've lost children and didn't agree with the wars.
And you bring up the religious aspect .....guess what sweetie.....the cindy sheehan group have been PRAYING TOO. They have been holding prayer vigils too. But, no surprise you'd only use that to further YOUR agenda against any religion....only mentioning it about the pro-war side. Twisting...twisting...twisting away.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 22, 2005 09:16:21 AM new
Linda:Get your pacifist head out of the sand and back into some sort of reality based thinking process for a change.
Translated... get your combat boots on and jump on the war wagon... no thanks.. not in an unjustified war...against people who have not attacked us... whether it is a benefit to us to acquire a holding in a strategic area or not..or for what ever other benefits it may bring us..
No.. you go fight your war, Linda.. with something more than your mouth...go over and serve and put your life on the line...then tell me all about what a noble cause it is..then and only then will I have any respect for your bravedo..until then you are just all mouth.. Maggie
posted on August 22, 2005 09:17:46 AM newMaggie, dblfugger and lindak have both noted for weeks now that they are ignoring my comments and have no interest in anything I say here.
Not quite. dblfugger9 said you think that your stupid opinions on world affairs should go unridiculed - its not going to happen. Thats what dblfugger9 said.
She watches one program on CNN and suddenly has the wealth of experience to speak about the military's lack of strategy and planning!!! whoa!! lol!!@! Here's a clue, kiara: There's binders and binders of documentation that would spread out the size of the Queen Mary Cruise ship that you'd have to read before you could ever EVER make a determination of what military strategy is or lack thereof, that is going on. Get real with yourself. Stick to antiques and dirty greeting cards. There's something you can talk about with some confidence and knowledge.
posted on August 22, 2005 09:23:12 AM new
Thanks, Maggie. It amuses me that my opinion brings such an emotional response from some who claim that they aren't interested in what I have to say and then it's always their focus to make it a personal attack because they lack the ability to calmly respond otherwise.
Since the war in Iraq and terrorism is a worldwide problem, I think it's up to the whole world to come forward with suggestions and solutions. There are great minds out there and I'm sure with patience and understanding something positive can be accomplished. To continue killing and hating one another is futile since we all share the same planet.
posted on August 22, 2005 09:23:21 AM new
maggie - people like you and your ilk are aiding and abetting the terroists all over the world with your nonsense.
you all need to read the promises of what the terrorists have in mind for ALL infidels....not just republican ones.
and on me going to war....i'm too old, but my son, my LIFE'S blood did serve. But since you're on the subject....why don't all you anti-war people that think this can all be 'talked out' go over and start talking to the terrorists. Go change their minds.....go agree with them that they have every right to continue bombing and murdering innocent people all over the world to further their cause. Since you so support them against any decent country's willingness to stand up and fight them.
I'd sure like to see just how well they take your 'talking and understanding THEIR plight' with them. Don't enjoy having your head attached to the rest of your body? Then YOU guys/gals go 'talk it out with them'. We'll see how well that turns out.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 22, 2005 09:37:04 AM new
READ what THEY SAY they want. Don't believe they really mean what they say....you have the proof in all the bombings and murder of innocent people all over the world.
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What do the terrorists want?
By Larry Elder
July 16, 2005
There is no terrorist threat. There is no terrorist threat.
- Filmmaker Michael Moore, Sept. 26, 2003.
Tell that to London. Four explosions, perhaps set by home-grown terrorists, targeted that city's transportation system. The current death toll stands at 52, with more than 700 people injured.
The train bombings in Madrid on March 11, 2004, killed 191. Three days later, Spaniards voted out the pro-war government and voted in the antiwar Socialists. The incoming prime minister vowed to promptly pull out Spanish troops from Iraq. Spain's reward? On April 2, 2004, Spanish authorities found a 22-pound bomb on a railway track between Madrid and Seville. And, later that year, in October, Spanish authorities foiled a plot to blow up their National Court, Spain's center for prosecuting terrorists. So much for Osama bin Laden's "offer," a month after the Madrid train bombings, for a "truce" to any European country that stops "attacking Muslims" before a three-month deadline.
After the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on American soil, many asked, "Why do they hate us?" Now, after London, many again ask, "What do the terrorists want?" How can one "solve" the problem of Islamic extremism?
Osama bin Laden, in 1998, issued the following "fatwa," or religious edict: "The killing of Americans and their civilian and military allies is a religious duty for each and every Muslim to be carried out in whichever country they are until Al Aqsa mosque has been liberated from their grasp and until their armies have left Muslim lands".
So, Islamic fascists demand that "infidels" leave "Muslim lands." But define "Muslim lands." Arabs, after all, dominated Europe from the eighth-century AD until 1492 AD, occupying lands as far west as Spain and modern France.
"One day the black flag of Islam will be flying over Downing Street," said Anjem Choudray, a spokesman for Al-Muhajiroun ("the immigrants", described by the Jerusalem Post's Ori Golan as a radical Islamic organization based in Britain. In calling for jihad, Mr. Choudray says, "Lands will not be liberated by individuals, but by an army. Eventually there'll have to be a Muslim army. It's just a matter of time before it happens."
Wall Street Journal reporters Ian Johnson and John Carreyrou recently noted that Muslim extremists define Arab lands to include Europe. "Fatwas," they write, "are traditionally only valid in the Islamic world, so [Ayatollah] Khomeini's [1989] fatwa implied something profound: Europe was part of the Islamic world [emphasis added]. It was a revolutionary change that now is accepted by many Islamic theologians and thinkers." Europe was part of the Islamic world?
Migration to Europe with no intent to assimilate, says Robert S. Leiken, a Brookings Institution nonresident fellow, serves as a tactic for Muslim reconquest: "In Islamic mythology, migration is archetypically linked to conquest. Facing persecution in idolatrous Mecca, in AD 622 the Prophet Muhammad pronounced an anathema on the city's leaders and took his followers to Medina. From there, he built an army that conquered Mecca in AD 630, establishing Muslim rule. ... Europe could even be viewed as a kind of Medina, where troops are recruited for the reconquest of the Holy Land, starting with Iraq."
How can one "solve" the problem of Islamic extremism? The problem is this: To Islamic extremism, democracy is toxic. Al Qaeda-affiliated Abu Musab Zarqawi, just before the January Iraqi elections, gave a speech in which he listed seven reasons to condemn democracy: Democracy requires obedience to man, not Allah; democracy allows freedom of religion, even to convert from Islam to another religion; under democracy, the people, rather than Allah, rule and pass judgment; democracy's freedom of expression would allow condemnation of Allah; separation between religion and state calls for secularism, totally inconsistent with Islam; democracy's freedom of association would allow one to join an unacceptable party; and finally, majority rule is "totally wrong and void because truth according to Islam is that which is in accordance with the Koran and the Sunna [i.e., the tradition of the Prophet], whether its supporters are few or many."
and page two continues on the link I provided above.
So, maggie, helen, kiara et all.....do YOU support THEIR beliefs over ours, Englands, etc?
And if not....then why don't you give your opinions on just how these murderers SHOULD be dealt with. Rather than what we always get from you....American is BAD, BAD, BAD...and understanding and peace is all you ask for.
Let's FOR ONCE, hear your solutions.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 22, 2005 09:52:58 AM new
More terrorist beliefs the anti-war people must agree with....since they sure as heck don't support America and the UK in working to stop the terrorism.
Don't believe these words, THEIR words, either? Or maybe you just support THEIR cause in this war.
Because THIS IS what THEY support.
recording claiming to be from wanted terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi condemned democracy as "the big American lie" on Sunday and said participants in Iraq's January 30 election are enemies of Islam.
The authenticity of the message could not immediately be confirmed by CNN.
"We have declared a bitter war against democracy and all those who seek to enact it," said the speaker in the 35-minute message.
"Democracy is also based on the right to choose your religion," he said, and that is "against the rule of God."
The message was posted on two Islamist Web sites that have carried previous messages thought to be from al-Zarqawi. Al-Zarqawi heads an insurgent group believed responsible for numerous car bombings and beheadings throughout Iraq.
Al-Zarqawi recently renamed his group from Unification and Jihad to al Qaeda in Iraq. The United States has placed $25 million bounties on al-Zarqawi and Osama bin Laden, whose recent taped messages have endorsed al-Zarqawi's acts of terrorism. (Full story)
The speaker attacked the Iraqi interim government as a tool used by the "Americans to promote this lie that is called democracy ... You have to be careful of the enemy's plots that involve applying democracy in your country and confront these plots, because they only want to do so to ... give the rejectionists the rule of Iraq. And after fighting the Baathists ... and the Sunnis, they will spread their insidious beliefs, and Baghdad and all the Sunni areas will become Shiite. Even now, the signs of infidelity and polytheism are on the rise."
The speaker said that 4 million Iranians had entered Iraq to vote in the coming elections.
"Oh, people of Iraq, where is your honor?" he asked. "Have you accepted oppression of the crusader harlots ... and the rejectionist pigs?"
"For all these issues, we declared war against, and whoever helps promote this and all those candidates, as well as the voters, are also part of this, and are considered enemies of God," the tape said.
On Friday, a video posted on an Islamist Web site showed two Iraqis apparently being beheaded on a city sidewalk. In the past, the Web site has shown video verified as having been produced by a group led by al-Zarqawi. CNN could not confirm the authenticity of the video.
taken from CNN - 1-05
They don't support democracy....so you MUST be agreeing with them....you certainly take their side against your own country's policy in Iraq.
Imo, if you don't want the USA nor any other country to fight this terrorism.....then someday you'll get to live under THEIR rules, THEIR hatred of democracy, THEIR religion.
At some point you're going to have to choose which side you're actually on....THEIR's or OUR's.
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 22, 2005 09:58 AM ]
posted on August 22, 2005 10:12:55 AM new
lindak, I have never stated that there is no terrorist threat or that I support the terrorists. I do believe that your emotional responses are made to someone you have characterized in your head as posting pro-saddam or pro-terrorist statements that you imagine even though they don't exist in anything I write.
I'm just a name that you use to rant against, someone in your mind that represents everything you hate and fear because of your dislike for me so you read whatever you wish into my opinions because you allow your emotions to rule and you are unable to tolerate a differing opinion. You do the same with Helen and now you are adding Maggie to the same group when you make statements such as:
maggie - people like you and your ilk are aiding and abetting the terroists all over the world with your nonsense.
posted on August 22, 2005 10:21:06 AM new
So, maggie, helen, kiara et all.....do YOU support THEIR beliefs over ours, Englands, etc?
And if not....then why don't you give your opinions on just how these murderers SHOULD be dealt with. Rather than what we always get from you....American is BAD, BAD, BAD...and understanding and peace is all you ask for.
Let's FOR ONCE, hear your solutions.
and kiara, if you have some false notion that you're going to change their anti-democracy beliefs....I'd certainly appreciating hearing just how you think you can make THAT happen.
and yes, kiara, if you take the side of our enemies....you support what THEY want to see us do...then you are definiately on THEIR SIDE.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 22, 2005 11:04:12 AM new
Very simply put... I do not support terrorists
I am 100% behind finding and bringing to justice the terrorists OBL and his followers..the ones who attacked our country.
I do not however believe that the United States should be the World police and take on the role of World dictator...
Instead of bringing Democracy to the world, we should be concentrating on our own problems at home, beefing up our own security, taking care of our own economy, instead of spending billions and billions on unjustified wars...While we are out fighting this war we are not protecting ourselves here at home...
Bush and his ilk have got us into a situation with no exit... instead our money is being flushed into this unwarranted war, instead of being used to strengthen our own security here at home...
Now what part of that don't you understand?
Let's see, I'm for taking care of our own country, beefing up our own security, taking care of our economy and the welfare of our citizens... that makes me Un-American...
while you want to fight wars against all terrorists in the world and bring democracy to the world at the expense of our country's economy, security, and lives of our soldiers...and that's in your belief being a Patriotic American...??
posted on August 22, 2005 11:19:26 AM new
maggie....you and people like you can't sit on the fence and say you don't support terrorism when everything that comes out of your mouths on the subject is saying..."do what our enemies of our own democracy are telling us to do".
Saddam presented a threat to not only our nation, but the world.
Even bill clinton very much agreed with that, as did/does hillary. Since those of you here don't even agree with them....their's not much to be said.
How I see your comments is that America is wrong in fighting terrorism in other countries - working to bring democracy to the world....heck even JFK supported that belief. But the dem party has gone soft since his Presidency....they lack the guts to do what is necessary to put a halt to terrorism before it has taken over control.....like they did with Spain. Now they dictate to Spain what they want done....and out of enormous fear....the Spanards followed their orders.
One country at a time, the terrorists are gaining control over their governments. Right now, their latest attempt is going down in London.
In pre-emptively working to prevent attacks before they happen we prevent or at least slow down their goals.
It appears to me that you believe we should just sit back and wait until we are again attacked. Until our Nation again faces another economic 'hit' like we did after 9-11. You appear to believe that would be okay....THEN we'll deal with it. But we don't know how severe the next attack on us will be....we don't know that our economy would survive. But we do know what the 'Islamic/Arabs' have promised to do.....and that's what you're against us fighting.
And imo, you appear to not believe them.....and you offer NO solution....only whining, complaining and critizing this President because he IS trying to deal with stopping/slowing it down.
Heck even old hillary supports our continuing to stay in Iraq. And she's the most likely, at this point, to win your party's nomination. Don't see her calling for us to withdraw....nope....even SHE and other dems like her can at least SEE and UNDERSTAND the threat we face....unlike so many of you here....who cover their eyes and make pretend this will all go away if only American would stop their evil ways.
You're all confused on just who is evil and who is not. America is NOT the evil one.
And imo, I believe that many of the dems here WOULD be supporting these exact same actions if it were any democratic president were taking the exact same stand.
Or are you saying that a democratic president wouldn't support democracy...wouldn't support fighting the terrorists? LOL
Because IF that's your position....then you're NEVER going to see a dem president elected by the American voters. NEVER.
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[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 22, 2005 11:58 AM ]
posted on August 22, 2005 11:25:16 AM new
Very well said, Maggie.
and yes, kiara, if you take the side of our enemies....you support what THEY want to see us do...then you are definiately on THEIR SIDE.
I’ve already stated that I am not taking the side of the terrorists so you're not making any sense, lindak. Perhaps you missed it but I’ve already stated that this is a worldwide problem that will need a worldwide solution. And I certainly don’t think any country should surrender to the terrorists.
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
posted on August 22, 2005 11:27:41 AM new
Imo, JFK was the LAST democratic president who was willing to defend America and what she stands for = FREEDOM, LIBERTY and Democracy that he believed also would bring more peace to our world.
Here is but one of his quotes....I will edit and post a couple more.
"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
John F. Kennedy
And saddam really did wish us ill.....and opposed democracy....and liberty.
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"A young man who does not have what it takes to perform military service is not likely to have what it takes to make a living. Today's military rejects include tomorrow's hard-core unemployed."
John F. Kennedy
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I thought of JFK's statement below when I read what some poster here had quoted: about why would the farmer would fight for his country...but for WHAT??? Only gain to be had was returning alive or many only injured, according to them.
Oh how the democratic party has changed since JFK's day. How sad, scared and anti-American they've become.
How sad they see no benefit from that farming soldier fighting for his country and what it stands for. Sure looked to me that whoever made that statement was saying 'if I don't have something to gain....why risk my life for America?'
Same thing those who support cindy sheehan saying 'this country isn't worth dying for' now.
Shame on all those who enjoyed what our past soldiers have given to you yo-yo's. how VERY sad. You don't even appreicate what it took....the lives of others....so you can sit back and constantly complain about how terrible the actions of your own country are.
The same country were you sure as heck enjoy the freedoms, liberties, etc you receive from it.....while NOT having lifted a finger to obtain it.
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"And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country. John F. Kennedy
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 22, 2005 12:05 PM ]
posted on August 22, 2005 12:07:55 PM new
Linda, sadly you will only hear and digest what you want to hear to suit your way of thinking.
There isn't much use trying to get you to see a different opinion, as you are closed to anything but the way you see things..
Any differing opinion in your mind makes us anti American, friends of terrorists, etc etc..
You said, the last democratic president was JFK to "Defend America for what she stands for, Freedom , Liberty, Democracy...
I say do just that defend ..against those who attack us, build our security here at home to prepare for such an attack, strengthen our economy and welfare of our citizens and protect our liberties and our Democratic form of government here at home...take care of your own home before trying to run the homes of the world...
I've never said we should leave Iraq now..we need to help and clean up the mess we made
Then maybe we can take some time to go after the terrorists who struck us here on our homeland on 9/11...
Now.. that I have said this for the hundredth time ...I'm done... there is no point in going back and forth over and over and over again.. you have your beliefs and I have mine...nothing will change either...so what's the point of "debating"?
Same thing those who support cindy sheehan saying 'this country isn't worth dying for' now.
Edited to add..again you miss the point.. the country isn't worth dying for..wrong..this war wasn't worth dying for..
[ edited by maggiemuggins on Aug 22, 2005 12:10 PM ]
posted on August 22, 2005 12:21:40 PM new
Well gollyyy, sheriff, looks like little ms it monkey went and got heself a dictionary of thoughts!! Maybe this way if she keeps posting the words of others we might think she is just as smart! golleeee!!!
And who t/f is "Arthur Schopenhauer" anyway?
Oh yes, a world renown 19th century german philospher who was among the first to contend that at its core, the universe is not a rational place!
posted on August 22, 2005 12:30:31 PM new
DBL.. your ignorance is showing again..and you're slip sliding backwards into your own manure...stick to your comic routine, you still have a small audience for that.. many still love to laugh at clowns..but when the clown tries to have an intelligent conversation, she must first take off her clown make-up and costume..and sadly that's the only wardrobe you have left..
posted on August 22, 2005 12:47:31 PM new
My words:
Stick to antiques and dirty greeting cards. There's something you can talk about with some confidence and knowledge.
Then from out from Monkey mouth #2...
stick to your comic routine, you still have a small audience for that..
Try coming up with your own words and moves maggie. Your emulation and following of me is nothing short of truely pathetic.
posted on August 22, 2005 12:51:20 PM new
Okay, maggie....which I'm NOW hearing you say....not before because you hadn't said it....is that it's your position that we should ignore all the terrorists acts around the globe, while these terrorist outfits continue to grow much stronger, train and arm more supporters, gain nuclear weapons and other chemicals/bio weapons they can use in the future when they again attack us.
Well...I don't agree. We and other countries like th UK and Australia ARE doing what is necessary....with help from other countries who are tracking and reporting just what militants are where ....joining us in this GLOBAL war on terror you so opposed.
I can just see it now....doing things your way....ignoring what the terrorists are accomplishing, how well they're gaining strength.....in five to ten years the US will experience a nuclear attack. How many will be left to defend our nation after an attack like that or a bio/chemical attack carried out in several places in the US, like the bombs they did in the UK.
You're willing to wait for that....either that or you're not seriously taking the goals/promises of the terrorists seriously.
I believe they mean business....I don't think they're playing a game of pretend nor one of stick your head in the sand.....like too many American's believe.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on August 22, 2005 03:28:47 PM newThis is the SECOND article that you've posted that has already been posted and discussed here.
For someone that got all bent out of shape when the article was posted, you sure have taken to responding to it Linda. Why do you need to feel to answer the same arguments over and over again since it appears to bother you so much
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 22, 2005 03:49:44 PM newPlease go and read about the American Revolution. They were Rebels until victory was won.
Another good line from someone claiming to be an American.
Now you are calling all those great Americans that fought to establish this country, REBELS. How very noble of you to dismiss everything they had done. Why not just call them thugs or hooligans since you don't know the true meaning of patriotism.
Patriots have to start some where. All it takes is one person to stand up and fight for what he/she believes in.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 22, 2005 04:06:35 PM newif you take the side of our enemies....you support what THEY want to see us do...then you are definiately on THEIR SIDE.
More of the intellectual knowledge from Linda the Great. If you don't side with Bush, you side with the terrorists.
Linda this is no different than speaking out against the war equals not supporting the troops.
I thought you said everyone has the right to speak their mind. Are you trying to limit free speach again?
Why don't you show us where in the Patriot Act it says that if you don't agree with the President, his views or policies that makes you a terrorist or equates to supporting terrorist activities. If you really believe what you are saying anybody who has disagreed with the War would have already been arrested under the Patriot ACt.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 22, 2005 04:09:31 PM newI believe they mean business....I don't think they're playing a game of pretend nor one of stick your head in the sand.....like too many American's believe.
I am glad Bush had the same feeling when he got the Daily Brief back in August 2001 when it said Al-Qaeda determined to attack the US.
Who took the terrorists seriously then?
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 22, 2005 04:32:01 PM new
Peepa, Logans, Mingo, Helen, Kiara, Krafty,Tom,Dave,Rusty,Fenix,Cheryl and all other Democrats here on the RT... Someone mentioned in a previous post that the exit and pulling troops out of Iraq was planned to coincide with the elections..
Big Ed wrote:There are reports the UK and the US have drawn up plans for troop withdrawal by mid 06. – What have I told my listeners all along? – It's about winning elections, not about the best interests of the country.
– Any level of withdrawal by the U.S. will be considered a victory by the American people and take the pressure off the right-wing for a mid term election. – They'll run on a victory in Iraq as troops come home to an acceptable level of comfort for Americans to be sold another bill of goods that will be easier to defend in policy debate. – They will follow with the culture of Life theme having shaped the Supreme Court to the neocons satisfaction.
Knowing this in advance, how and what should the Democrats do to expose this plan before- hand so not as many dumb asses will swallow it hook line and sinker?
posted on August 22, 2005 05:13:32 PM newIt's about winning elections, not about the best interests of the country.
How true that is. Now some of the 59 million idiots that voted for the idiot in chief are starting to realize they made the wrong choice.
Facts are starting to come out that if a full recount of all the Florida ballots in the 2000 election, the results would have shown Gore winning.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- The duty of a patriot in this time and place is to ask questions, to demand answers, to understand where our nation is headed and why. If the answers you get do not suit you, or if they frighten you, or if they anger you, it is your duty as a patriot to dissent. Freedom does not begin with blind acceptance and with a flag. Freedom begins when you say 'No.'
posted on August 22, 2005 05:25:32 PM new
"Facts are starting to come out that if a full recount of all the Florida ballots in the 2000 election, the results would have shown Gore winning."
posted on August 22, 2005 05:33:29 PM new
And the pissing match continues.
How can you expect to have reasonable coversation with people that refuse to be reasonable??
To me it's absolutely baffling that the leftists can't even acknowledge the UN resolutions. They were right there for all to see and read in simple to understand language. Also the fact that SH did support terrorism by paying the families of Palistinian suicide bombers.
Come on you lefties, what's so hard about admitting facts. Leave out all the what if's and what about scenarios that go along with your political beliefs and just admit to these facts, what's so damnn hard about that?.
