posted on September 4, 2005 10:58:46 PM
check out the 3rd page where Chimpchamp has gone through Katrina, and about Disaster Prepardness, please.
Bigpeepa, I understand how you think I am heartless (and going to hell to boot) but we have to be ok, before we can take care of the rest. We (I, We, whatever) have to have our own
plans ready, if we are waiting for relief, and when or IF it will come, we should have things in order. If we do, we are in a better position to help those around us. Hope you understand that part.
Helen, government is there for a lot of reasons, you said its there to improve our lives. Ok, but in a national, state or city disaster, they will help, but like chimpchamp said there is tier system, and that system broke down this last week. We all need to be ready. For anything
posted on September 5, 2005 05:37:44 AM
I thought chimpchamp's post was both informative and level-headed. That is the kind of information those in NO should have had and all of us should take heed. You just never know.
Near- I, for one, do not believe for one second that you are going to hell....
posted on September 5, 2005 05:54:42 AM "Helen, government is there for a lot of reasons, you said its there to improve our lives. Ok, but in a national, state or city disaster, they will help, but like chimpchamp said there is tier system, and that system broke down this last week. We all need to be ready. For anything"
Good government does have ""a lot of reasons""...all of which are intended to improve it's citizen's lives. Do you have a ""reason"" in mind that is not directed toward that goal?
I support your position that we should all, as individuals be as prepared as possible for a disaster such as this one. I also believe that the government should be prepared to handle disasters so that those individuals who are not so fortunate will survive.
Some here seem to have a smug, self assurred attitude that they can never be affected by a disaster and that the poor deserve whatever they get. I hope that you are not among that group.
With this administration, you are right on target when you say "We all need to be ready. For anything."
posted on September 5, 2005 06:53:46 AM
NearTheSea - I agree, just look at the source of who said that to you.
And yes, we must all be prepared to take care of ourselves. I think some here need to read their own city's preparedness is written down. I'd bet most say people need to be able to take care of themselves for the first few days/weeks, UNTIL they are able to organize the help that's needed.
Others who think the government should be there immediately, when it's not even humanly possible....are nanny raised, government dependent children who think the government OWES them care.
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Some here seem to have a smug, self assured attitude that they can never be affected by a disaster and that the poor deserve whatever they get.
Really helen, and just WHO would that be? As you and kiara often demand....name those you think have made the above statement. I sure haven't read ANYONE here saying 'the poor deserve whatever they get. What I HAVE seen is there are those of us who believe we're all adults and SHOULD be prepared to take care of ourselves, and not depend on anyone other than ourselves for our own survival.
Couldn't be you're lying again, now, could it?
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on September 5, 2005 07:33:00 AM
Really helen, and just WHO would that be?
When I said...Some here seem to have a smug, self assured attitude that they can never be affected by a disaster and that the poor deserve whatever they get...I was referring to people like you, linda.
You state over and over that those who do not have adequate resources are ""nanny raised, government dependent children who think the government OWES them care.""
I could quote several such statements but if we only consider this one, it's clear that you don't believe that the government has an obligation to the poor of this country.
I believe that the government should have provided transportation for the poor when the evacuation was ordered. You, apparently do not.
posted on September 5, 2005 07:40:42 AM
Hey Near , I love how you made a horse's butt out of yourself,:
NearTheSea
posted on August 30, 2005 07:50:15 PM
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Don't hold your breath for any foreign aid for the hurricane victims replay.......""
posted on September 5, 2005 07:56:49 AM
Once again, lindak..... please leave my name out of it and try to move on with your own self-absorbed existance. Take a moment and write some words showing some compassion for those who are suffering instead of spending so much time being haunted over words I may have written. It's a sure sign that you'd never make it through any disaster, you're a victim at heart.
Some who were caught in the disaster had already left many times before when there were warnings. Each time they fled, it cost money for lodging and transportation and after awhile it became more difficult for them to catch up as it had exhausted their resources. Maggie has left a few times over the past year or so too. I'm sure she recognizes the expenses involved each time.
posted on September 5, 2005 08:04:15 AM
"What is the purpose of your post mingotree other than to attack the poster?"
Ron you have to understand,when someone disagrees with CROWFART,thats all she can do...she was voted the "TROLL' of the posting board last year...as you can see,nothing has changed.
posted on September 5, 2005 08:08:14 AM
You're totally off base, once again, helen.
Just last night I saw a perfect example of an elderly woman who was still living in her own home, and had managed to stay alive UNTIL the rescue workers could retrieve her.
She STILL had fresh water to drink and STILL had food to eat....and was quite self-sufficient....as all grown ups should be.
She was from a generation that was raised to be self reliant, self sufficient and not government dependent.
That's what I'm referring to here.....not those you liberals encourage to not be able to think for themselves, and have to depend on the government to make everything in their lives better. Not self suffienct, not self reliant and definitely trained to believe the government is here to take care of all our needs.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on September 5, 2005 08:21:08 AM "I don't believe government is to better our lives, but to make opportunities so we can better our lives with our own capabilities and hard work."
There is no purpose for good government other than to improve the lives of its citizens. By making those opportunities that you mention available, government is achieving it's purpose to better it's citizens lives.
posted on September 5, 2005 08:25:03 AM
Hey LindaKKK what is your reason for posting (other than having nothing else to do)....you have never said anything too bright so it must be just to get attention! Is that why anyone posts here, you stupid twit, so that their posts can be ignored ???
posted on September 5, 2005 08:32:55 AM
Helen, our govt does help, by sending out 'how to prepare' information. I know we get it, from our local city hall. We also get info from our natural gas and electric companies.
And yes, ours state, that in a BIG earthquake to be prepared to be on your own for a couple days.
Another thing is to have a non cordless telephone. When electricity goes out, a lot of times phones still work, but you need the old wired phone, we have one. The rest are cordless. also to have your cell phone charged at all times.
Linda, I saw that woman! unbelieveable, she waited it out for all those days, the news station said she called them from her old wired phone!
Mingotree, yes I did say that. And it looks like a lot of countries are helping now, that s great. I did post that about 5 days ago, a lot has changed since then, hasn't it?
posted on September 5, 2005 08:38:56 AMSome here seem to have a smug, self assured attitude that they can never be affected by a disaster and that the poor deserve whatever they get...I was referring to people like you, linda.
Helen, no, I don't believe anyone feels the poor deserve what they get
The 'poor' you speak of can be prepared too. They can fill the used milk jugs with water and put them in a closet. they can put old blankets and other things they can get now, and put away for an emergency. No matter what your financial situation is, you can be prepared the best way you can.
posted on September 5, 2005 08:49:52 AM
Helen, I dont think they ever do respond immediately.
But at least the coast guard was in there right away. But there was only so much they could do at a time. They are federal employees. Department of transportation.
posted on September 5, 2005 08:54:23 AM
I am mostly a lurker, but once in a while I am compelled to post. Just a few points:
l. The infrastructure of our cities and the safety thereof are the government's (locat, state and federal) responsibility. Without reasonable attention to the problems in NO's levee system, these citizens didn't have a chance.
2. Civil defense, evacuation plans, and the safety of citizens following disasters (natural and otherwise) are the government's responsibility (local, state and federal.)
3. There are so many reasons why so many people did not evacuate before Katrina---ranging from age and infirmity, lack of even minimal resources, responsibility for care of those family members who are helpless and, yes, even foolishness. None of these are reasons to allow people to die or suffer the horrific conditions they had to endure for nearly a week. That is absolute cruelty. As far as the indigent being prepared for a disaster such as this: How can a few blankets, a couple of jugs of water and a flashlight help people who were stranded for a week in a city which was basically under water? What about babies who need formula, diabetics who need insulin, etc.? How many people can afford to stock up on a month's supply of these? What about the terrible heat, the fetid water? How do you prepare for that?
4. I find it disturbing that it has been suggested we should not depend on the government for help in a multistate disaster involving millions of people, but the same people of that opinion dragged the government into a private issue concerning one woman's right to die.
The government's performance in this disaster was totally unacceptable and inhumane. We need to determine responsibiity for this failure so that this country will never have to experience the likes of this horror again. Those images in New Orleans, which we have seen over and over on the news, should be burned into our brains.
posted on September 5, 2005 08:55:03 AM
Helen when chaos braaks out, then the National Guard should be there right next to FEMA.
The gov of LA wasn't on the ball there right after New Orleans started flooding. She did have the NG to use, and didn't make the call when she should have
posted on September 5, 2005 09:01:05 AM "The government's performance in this disaster was totally unacceptable and inhumane. We need to determine responsibiity for this failure so that this country will never have to experience the likes of this horror again. Those images in New Orleans, which we have seen over and over on the news, should be burned into our brains."
posted on September 5, 2005 09:09:33 AM
When flood waters are in the attic of houses, what good does filling milk jugs with water do? The elderly lady lindak speaks about who called in was om high ground and whle water was flowing through the streets, her house was dry. Had nothing to do with what generation she was raised in When an earthquake strikes and a house is demolished with the residents sleeping inside, how would linda k expect them to prepare?
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posted on September 5, 2005 09:15:12 AM
NTS, there is some controversy about the effort to blame the lack of appropriate response on the local officials. I believe that there was failure on every level...especially on the federal level. Since billions have been spent on the reorganization of homeland security and FEMA there is no excuse for such colossal failure to respond when it was so obvious that the local response was inadequate. This appears to be a third world response...not the response of the self proclaimed richest and most powerful nation in the world.
As Coincoach suggested, we need to determine responsibility for this failure so that it will not happen again.
posted on September 5, 2005 09:24:21 AM
To those who choose to read my posts differently than I wrote them.....I'm not suggesting the gov. shouldn't help the people when they are able to do so. Once they are able to organize things. It's not easy to find new homes for approx. 500,000 people. Plans need to be made. PERIOD.
What I AM, however, suggesting is that as most states warn their citizens....THEY MUST BE PREPARED TO CARE FOR THEMSELVES UNTIL HELP CAN GET TO THEM.
Hopefully, you can see the difference between what you try to say I said....and what I've actually said.
And heck....the officials are STILL trying to FORCE people to leave...get out. And they're still making the CHOICE to stay there....even though they've been told there are no jobs, no food, no water to substain them and won't be for months.
duh!!!
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on September 5, 2005 09:36:23 AM
Very well said, coincoach.
Many points are made by tsunami nations in this article but this one stands out:
Tsunami nations lend disaster advice to U.S.
"In a disaster, the biggest fallibility can be to think you are experts. Disasters have a way of humbling even the mightiest," said one senior Indian official at the heart of New Delhi's tsunami response.
posted on September 5, 2005 09:52:11 AM
"The important thing is to stay committed and put humanitarian concerns at the top."
Wise words --- If they had been heeded on Monday, there would be fewer bodies to identify today.
The Washington Post reports that the Army Corps of Engineers knew by early Monday, Aug.29 that the 17th Street Canal levee had broken. That means the full scope of the disaster was known almost immediately after Katrina hit New Orleans.
fred! You need to post more!
