posted on September 12, 2005 06:41:28 AM
And as hillbillymo mentioned....things are a changing.
from my article:
The Islamo-fascist mullahs encourage young Muslims not to turn to their parents for guidance on choosing a wife (or wives). Nor are young Muslims to be guided by parental or community disapproval of making an individual commitment to jihad. They are allowed to drink alcohol, shave their beards and commit what otherwise would be judged immorality in a Muslim -- in order to advance jihad.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on September 12, 2005 06:50:29 AM
"Genocide" as the term is defined is hardly necessary. However the reality of the situation dictates that the battle can not be fought with the niceties of due process. Shutting down of sects that preach violence is paramount and if it involves putting a few wacky clerics against a wall, or removing children from radical homes, then that's what you have to do.
posted on September 12, 2005 07:07:53 AM
Replay..To see genocide as the only winning answer to terrorism and then to use the fact that you are majoring in History and Theology as the basis for what you know so well is mind boggling. I wonder how many in your Department of Theology or History would support that idea. I see that you qualify your answer by saying that you would not support genocide.
But Linda on the other hand agrees that genocide is the only answer and moves beyond that to observe the impediment that no one in the U.S has the guts to do a mass killing and besides that she sees as another problem the fact that Muslims are not conveniently located in one place! Another hindrance to the annilation that she supports are all those "liberal do gooders". After Piinthesky points out that Israel has the guts to nuke the Muslims, Linda agrees...adding that she would support their effort!!!
Linda, you are constantly calling some posters "foul mouthed". Your remarks on this topic are in my opinion the most "foul mouthed" statements that I have ever read here.
posted on September 12, 2005 07:28:05 AM
I am curious helen, do you think placating the terroists is the way to go? Give them whatever they want in the assumption that they will never bother us again? Would you force all Americans to stay in the US? Just how would you end this?
Terrorism has existed in one form or another for centuries. It will never end. There will always a group to another group's place. Hitler was a terrorist. The crusaders were terrorists. To essentially say that by eliminating Muslims you will put an end to terrorism is just plain "stupid", for lack of a better and more civil word.
posted on September 12, 2005 07:59:07 AM
Ron - Both helen and mg/cf/LB refuse to answer questions put to them. They only like complaining and blaming....they don't HAVE answers when questioned about how they'd handle the growing problem.
And when states like the UK decide to start deporting the terrorist clerics/etc....they just think that's terrible too.
Imo, they support/back the terroists because they're humans too....and they don't believe they mean us any harm at all. They're the Peace-At-Any-Cost crowd who will be the downfall of this country yet.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on September 12, 2005 08:03:51 AMOK, Mingo, what's YOUR solution to the terrorist problem? Or is this going to be one of those questions you can't/won't answer?
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I am curious helen, do you think placating the terroists is the way to go? Give them whatever they want in the assumption that they will never bother us again? Would you force all Americans to stay in the US? Just how would you end this?
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And then cheryl gives us her 'history' lesson but doesn't tell us what SHE thinks should/could be done to fight those who promise to destroy us.
No dem seems to have an answer. funny, that's so typical of them.
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Sep 12, 2005 08:07 AM ]
posted on September 12, 2005 08:07:44 AM
Some problems have no complete solution, Ron. Certainly, a military solution will not work since terrorists are located all over the world in fifty two countries including the United States. We can only hope to reduce terrorism while improving our protection from terrorists.
By understanding what motivates terrorists we may be able to alleviate some anger and resulting terrorism toward our country. We should understand for example, how they feel about U.S.support of Israel, Saudi Arabia and the invasion and occupation of Iraq. The invasion and occupation of Iraq only served to increase hostility toward the U.S. resulting in more terrorism...not less.
posted on September 12, 2005 08:12:41 AM
yep....figures....helen thinks we need to UNDERSTAND them...what makes them tick.
Well, as I've said before MOST DO understand....we've read their complains, we've listened and BELIEVE their tapes. Because you refuse to do so, doesn't mean others haven't already come to understand what they want helen. Get with the program....listen and read what they've said. Maybe it will somehow SINK your head after a few thousand times.
We're NOT going to change American policy to please them either. Not under a Republican NOR a Democratic president or Congress.
If you believe that day will EVER come then you have lost all touch with reality.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on September 12, 2005 08:25:33 AM "yep....figures....helen thinks we need to UNDERSTAND them...what makes them tick."
Right...we should understand our enemy...just as I understand that ignorance makes you tick -- erratically. Knowing that, I place little credence in what you state here.
posted on September 12, 2005 08:38:40 AM
LOL helen....once again....WE DO understand their goals and promises...WE believe what they say.
You, on the other hand just keep repeating we need to understand them....so obviously YOU don't accept nor believe what THEY say/promise.
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And on your other comment....shows once again how you can twist things around in YOUR mind...not comprehend what is actually said.....but rather how it is redistributed once it reaches your inability to process it.
It's not like it's one or two whole countries we could drop the bomb on....they're scattered throughout the world....they mix themselves in with innocent muslims and everyday 'normal' people. They know we would never take out all the innocents, intentionally, just to get a few hundred/thousand of them. That puts us at a extreme disadvantage, but it always has.
And YOUR BRAIN ends up with:
"But Linda on the other hand agrees that genocide is the only answer and moves beyond that...."
I guess that could be called...not reading between the lines....but rather adding your own lines to what I said.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on September 12, 2005 08:58:59 AM
Linda said"It's not like it's one or two whole countries we could drop the bomb on....they're scattered throughout the world....they mix themselves in with innocent muslims and everyday 'normal' people. They know we would never take out all the innocents, intentionally, just to get a few hundred/thousand of them. That puts us at a extreme disadvantage, but it always has."
I reposted the above quote in order to make it clear that you were the author.
My statement...
But Linda on the other hand agrees that genocide is the only answer and moves beyond that to observe the impediment that no one in the U.S has the guts to do a mass killing and besides that she sees as another problem the fact that Muslims are not conveniently located in one place! Another hindrance to the annilation that she supports are all those "liberal do gooders". After Piinthesky points out that Israel has the guts to nuke the Muslims, Linda agrees...adding that she would support their effort!!!
Linda selects one phrase and accuses ME of reading between the lines. If her statements supporting genocide were not so vile, it would be funny.
And what a silly waste of amost 200 words in a rant about an answer that you had not even read yet. Most of us are not here 24/7. I answered Ron's question 45 minutes after it was asked.
Now, let's see if you will answer a question.
Assume that the "liberal do gooders" that you complained about were silenced.
Assume that all Muslims were in the same place.
Assume that the U.S. had the "guts"
After assuming that none of the impediments that you mentioned existed, would you support the genocide of Muslims?
posted on September 12, 2005 09:08:17 AM
" Remember the holy war called the Crusades? This is just history repeating itself yet again. "
cblev, did you miss the post where I said the Crusades were the only reason you aren't wearing a Birka today? There were some atrocities against JEWS in the Crusades, but overall the war against the MUSLIMS was purely DEFENSIVE (re-taking lands they had conquered).
The Crusades have a bad rap.
And I'll also agree with Linda. We *DO* understand the Muslims. I'm not sure why Helen feels they are misunderstood.
"I wonder how many in your Department of Theology or History would support that idea."
I think most of them would realize that the problem will NEVER be solved politically. It is simply not a political problem. Just ask Israel, if someone's God simply WANTS YOU DEAD, there is no way to talk them out of it.
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posted on September 12, 2005 09:10:11 AM
No, helen, I didn't say those words....YOU did. YOU drew that conclusion.....but I didn't say that. I was explaining my opinion to Ron on why it wouldn't work. YOU choose to 'add to my comment's'....as you usually do.
The proofs in the pudding, helen. The terrorists have been attacking innocents all over the world. They're doing just what they've said they're going to continue doing....murdering innocent people. But you appear to ignore all their accomplishments/savageness. You REFUSE to ever speak negatively against THEIR ACTIONS, their MURDERS of innocent citizens ALL OVER THE WORLD and you continue to want to understand them. how sad for you.....
Aintrichyet, just posted yesterday their latest THREATS to LA, CA and to Australia. You think they're joking? You think we shouldn't bomb the h3ll out of those groups when we have the opportunity?
Well...I'll see if we can't send them to your house, your families homes and YOU can negotiate with them directly. We'll see how well that works out.
NOW if YOU choose not to believe what they say....that just proves to me you have NO ability to see things as they actually are.
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"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Sep 12, 2005 09:30 AM ]
posted on September 12, 2005 09:13:00 AM
The sickness of people who think name calling is uncivil but advocate the mass killing of a whole group of people, as did Hitler, Saddam Hussein, the US government(Native Americans) and others is appalling.
They say I am mean and nasty and spew vomit and haven't yet shown me a post where I was.
And, they advocate wholesale slaughter of people who have never been tried or convicted of any crimes.
Remember that old American thing about innocent until proven guilty (oh, ya, that must only apply to white, rich Americans).
I also can't believe Vendio is tolerating this since their terms specifically say they don't tolerate hate speech.
It's a scary thought that some Americans have sunk to the level of the screaming , barbarian fanatics but please believe that they are in a tiny minority....more Americans are good , decent, honorable people who, I believe, will have the final say....before this tiny minority drives America and the world into a maelstrom of death...EVERYWHERE.
Adios, suckers!
posted on September 12, 2005 09:23:35 AM" I agree, piinthesky. And I would support them doing so too. And maybe if the day ever comes when they do the same thing to us....more American's will join in agreement to using the 'genocide' option." "We did in Japan and we did it twice. It worked. But now things have changed and it's not PC to go after those who want to destroy all of us or our Nation." Too many liberal 'do-gooders' unwilling to protect us. "They still believe they CAN be talked out of their goals."
Your words, linda would lead any reasonable person to the same conclusion that without impediments you would support genocide.
posted on September 12, 2005 09:25:32 AM
Genocide? I can't even believe that any American would even utter these words. Thousands of American soldiers died in WWII fighting to prevent genocide by monsters like Hitler, Mengele, et al. How can you consider this for even 1 milisecond? Should we become like parents who tell their children "do as I say, not as I do"? I am not an international relations expert, but do have a few suggestions that make sense to me as a human being. How about helping other nations ONLY when asked and not force our ideology down their throats? How about beefing up our intelligence and infiltration capabilities. Remember that old saying-"keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer" The more we know about terrorists and the roots of terrorism, the better able we will be to defend ourselves and our country. History has taught us that terrorism will always be with us---that is the nature of the beast. Consider genocide?
Good Lord, that is a terrorist mantra. Should we joint Al Queda now?
posted on September 12, 2005 09:28:51 AM
"The more we know about terrorists and the roots of terrorism, the better able we will be to defend ourselves and our country."
THERE IS NO MYSTERY!!!!
THERE ARE NO SECRETS!!!!
THEY WANT ISLAM TO CONQUER THE WORLD!!!!
THERE ARE NO FURTHER "ROOTS"!!!
OK, NOW I'm screaming
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posted on September 12, 2005 09:36:44 AM
LOL...replay...but you do it and actually make sense...there's a difference.
Yes, kind of hard to accept some claim to not understand their goals.
And on your: but overall the war against the MUSLIMS was purely DEFENSIVE (re-taking lands they had conquered).
And that held them back for quite a while. But what we're seeing now is this/their NEW resurgency. They're growing stronger and strong, especially in Europe. I believe I've read that the population of muslims in the UK is right around 40% of their population. AND they, on the most part, haven't intregrated into the Europian lifestyle, but rather remained seperate....and now are striking out in anger at their OWN CITIZENS.
And that's what we're going to have to be dealing with in our own new-future. As the link I provided speaks well to.
"Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy. This is their essence." --Ann Coulter
And why the American Voters chose to RE-elect President Bush to four more years. YES!!!
posted on September 12, 2005 09:43:21 AM
Since when is knowledge a hindrance? I think your response is rather simplistic. Knowing more about how your enemy thinks, can only help. Is their prime motivation fanaticism, indoctrination, feelings of persecution or something else? Obviously, terrorists feel threatened by something, real or imagined. Is it possible that trying to understand what the underlying reasons are could help? Nah. Maybe there is something in their water that turns them into mass murderers. Let's just pick off anyone who looks Middle Eastern in origin.
posted on September 12, 2005 09:45:53 AM
And yes, cf/mg/LB HAD to have been laughing as she made that statement....she's the WORST offender of hate speech here.
They say I am mean and nasty and spew vomit and haven't yet shown me a post where I was.
They're all over ALL the threads, and YOU posted them...how could you NOT remember, is the question.
I also can't believe Vendio is tolerating this since their terms specifically say they don't tolerate hate speech.
They've tolerated your hatefilled statements since the first day you arrived as crowfarm. And THIS is a discussion about what we should do to stop/prevent further terrorist actions....not at all 'hate' speech....but rather seeking solutions to a GROWING problem.
A problem YOU don't see as being hateful on THEIR part....no.. - they're killing innocents all over the world...but we're the bad guys in trying to prevent it.
Extremely confused thinking on your part.
If anyone should have EVER been suspended, it should have been YOUR OWN HATE speech.
What a joke that was.
[ edited by Linda_K on Sep 12, 2005 10:34 AM ]
"How about helping other nations ONLY when asked and not force our ideology down their throats? How about beefing up our intelligence and infiltration capabilities. Remember that old saying-"keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer" The more we know about terrorists and the roots of terrorism, the better able we will be to defend ourselves and our country. History has taught us that terrorism will always be with us---that is the nature of the beast. Consider genocide? "Good Lord, that is a terrorist mantra. Should we joint Al Queda now?
posted on September 12, 2005 09:53:53 AM
"Is their prime motivation fanaticism, indoctrination, "
Fanatacism and indoctrination are at the heart of it. What can you do about that when the teachers/preachers will not change?
"feelings of persecution or something else? Obviously, terrorists feel threatened by something, real or imagined."
I don't think so. If anything, they feel EMPOWERED by their belief in their god. It is true that fundamentalist Muslims are very concerned about the overwhelming cultural influence of the west, and they want it to stop. But that is a side issue, or maybe a motivation to act sooner rather than later, to the complete dominance of Islam over the globe.
I don't think for a minute that they FEAR us, and that really is a big part of the problem.
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Linda states " I agree, piinthesky. And I would support them doing so too. And maybe if the day ever comes when they do the same thing to us....more American's will join in agreement to using the 'genocide' option."
LINDA, Am I correct in drawing the conclusion from your statement that without your list of impediments such as "liberal do gooders" or without your perceived U.S. lack of "guts" and with the assurance that all Muslims could be corralled into one spot that you would support genocide.
posted on September 12, 2005 10:12:06 AM
Here, for all you liberals who won't talk about THEIR hateful words....THEIR hateful actions...THEIR needing to understand the world isn't interested in being 'converted' to their religion or being killed if we don't....
here's a good place to start reading bin laden's own words, own promises....so you won't feel the need to 'understand' him. He makes it QUITE clear.
edited to add another one from bin laden's 'right hand man',
Ayman Al-Zawahri......then let us know if you still don't 'get' what they're saying and 'why' they're taking the actions they are and continue to take. After hearing it from THEIR own mouths...if you still don't 'get' it, 'understand why' then there is no hope you ever will.
"You answer a couple of mine and I'll do the same"
No problem, Linda. Unless answers are agreeable to you, you call them non answers.
My question to you, Am I correct in drawing the conclusion from your statement that without your list of impediments such as "liberal do gooders" or without your perceived U.S. lack of "guts" and with the assurance that all Muslims could be corralled into one spot that you would support genocide.
Since you don't have an answer, I'll leave my conclusion as it stands.
Based on your statement, " I agree, piinthesky. And I would support them doing so too. And maybe if the day ever comes when they do the same thing to us....more American's will join in agreement to using the 'genocide' option."
