posted on October 4, 2005 06:55:15 PMBut, going by what is being said in this thread, that's all wrong. You just have to say you accept Christ--after that you can be as mean and nasty as you like.
No, you don't just say you accept Christ, you have so much faith, that you accept Christ, and it doesn't have to be said (aloud anyway)
Surely you can always be mean and nasty, but once you accept, things you did previously, will not be the same, as you pray and ask for guidance. Yes we are all human, and even a devout Christian will make mistakes, and are not perfect
I asked this question a long time ago, my best friend became a 'born again' (what they used to call them anyway) Christian, and I asked her father, well, I smoke and I go to parties and drink (no I didn't tell him about the drugs too!) He just smiled and said, God doesn't care. If your ready to accept Christ as your saviour, he will not care either. You'll learn and grow. Sometimes it takes longer for some, and some, its an overnight 'miracle' I believed him.
Not sure if you ever watched Peter Jennings In Search of Jesus. I did. interesting.
They had Jews, Christians, theologians, athiests, historians, archealogoist etc.
They all disagreed where Jesus Christ was born
They all disagreed about the miracles
They all disagreed on the actual crucifixion
They all disagreed about everything execpt
At the end, they did not disagree that Christ was entombed when he died, and that he wasn't there in 3 days
The reason: Before Christ and during his life on earth, there were all kinds of 'Messiahs' people claiming to be the Messiah the Jews were waiting for. Every single one, did not last long. The one that did? Jesus Christ, the one who did have 12 disciples, died on the cross and came back.... interesting.
posted on October 4, 2005 07:43:21 PM
Ron, I know that
I was just making a comment on a supposedly fact based search on Christ. Though not all things 'Christian' can be proved (kind of like Love, you cannot find any fact based research on that, I don't think, plus other things) this show sure tried to prove Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ as the Messiah.
posted on October 4, 2005 07:59:16 PMNo, you don't just say you accept Christ..
Near, that is what they just dont get. But it's like trying to tell a fish what it is to live on land when all they can fathom is water. And your friend was right,imo. You either learn and grow with a religion, or you grow away from one. But you first have to have the desire for a relationship with a God to start with
Ron, kraft frequently trolls religious threads (I think she waxes philosophical when shes gettin stoned there) and then the other atheists chime in because to them "God" is "defined" in the dictionary, spearheaded under "Christianity". How can somebody be so stilted, they have to make a judgment or a joke out of somebody else's God?
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posted on October 4, 2005 08:13:20 PM
I thought at first I might be interested in this thread...but I've made a mistake. Never mind.
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posted on October 4, 2005 08:57:00 PM
not interested because Christianity in your opinion is just a pacifer in life, or a hope that there is so much more than being born and dying, where all goes black, your worm fodder, for people profe?
I will tell you one thing, even though I believe all that I was told, and learned, I still have not accepted Christ. Why?
Beats the sh*t outta me (BTSOM) .. maybe because I'll change and I don't want to change what I am, who knows? At least I can be honest about this
But I will defend it, if I'm in a situation, or discussion on it.
posted on October 5, 2005 05:29:41 AMnot interested because Christianity in your opinion is just a pacifer in life, or a hope that there is so much more than being born and dying
Nope, that isn't my opinion of Christianity, or Islam, or Judaism or Atheism either for that matter.
I'll defend a Christian's right to be Christian, or an Atheist's right to believe this is all there is. I just won't defend any faith's dogma, and I believe very strongly in regards to faith; that what works for one doesn't need to work for anyone else in order to be perfectly valid.
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posted on October 5, 2005 07:33:30 AM
I don't believe atheists are God's real children, no.
I believe God loves everyone, including all atheists. But an atheist rejects that there is a God...so why would that God accept them to spend eternal life with him? Imo, he wouldn't.
And why would they believe someone they don't believe even exists, accept them when they die, bring them to spend eternity with him? Imo, he won't...as they have never admitted he even existed....let alone accepted him and followed him in the way many religions teach us to do.
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posted on October 5, 2005 08:25:59 AM
LindaKKK who advocates torture and genocide posts, """The propitious smiles of Heaven, can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right"""
Hilarious but not as funny as using the dictionary to decide what is , or is not, valid about religion
posted on October 5, 2005 08:59:43 AM
I wanted to compliment replaymedia for his superb posts to this thread. Good debate, replay.
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And to dbl too for bringing up many valid points and having the ability to see how futile these types of threads always end up because most here just can't accept/respect that others feel differently than they do....and let it go.
posted on October 5, 2005 09:07:35 AM
Linda, your concept of a debate is simply wrong. There has been no effort by anyone regardless of opinion to debate any issue here.
So far, the definition of a Christian has been the only topic discussed.
posted on October 5, 2005 11:47:39 AM
Double, anyone that brings up a topic for discussion that is difficult to grasp for some, doesn't mean it was started to troll. It was a simple question. I'll say it again a different way so you can understand me better.
If you were God and had to pick one person to go to heaven, would you pick the person that claimed to have accepted Christ and his teaching, yet didn't live that way, or would you pick the person that didn't accept Christ but lived a giving and Christ-like life?
posted on October 5, 2005 11:55:16 AM
As for Bunni's last post, I took her last sentence to mean why would Christians say they believe in God when their actions show they think he's an idiot that's being fooled by them.
posted on October 5, 2005 12:05:04 PM
Kraft, that's too simple a problem. Neither of them. God would choose the ones who claims to accept Christ AND lives up to the teachings as best they can.
God can pick whomever he wants. He doesn't have to scape the barrel to find someone marginally qualified.
There are quite a few denominations who believe out of all the people who ever lived, only 144,000 will ever get to heaven. That number appears in Revelation and has been interpreted lots of different ways, none of which convince me of anything. But assuming this were true, God's pretty choosy.
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posted on October 5, 2005 12:25:32 PM
Replay why even bother? The ones making assinine statements will never accept Christ or GOD they are the trolls that dbl has made them out to be and not worth your effort to keep feeding them.
posted on October 5, 2005 01:39:32 PM
Washingtonebayer, Replay has been very open about his views and I appreciate that, whether I agree with them or not. You seem to be the only one trolling with your assinine blurbs here & there, instead of actually adding anything to the discussion. It's alright though, I'm used to it.
posted on October 5, 2005 02:08:40 PM
"are you saying even God has no logic?"
Logic is what God says it is. You and I don't get a vote.
And just to set the record straight, even I don't believe everything I've said on this topic, but I am trying to explain the various Christian points of view on this.
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posted on October 5, 2005 02:15:50 PM
What discussion, the one where all you have
done is mock people of faith? You have a warped sense of what true discussion is.
posted on October 5, 2005 02:53:34 PM
Replay, it's a never-ending mystery. That's why it's so much fun to talk about. (In my opinion anyway.)
Washingtonebayer, please show me where I've mocked anyone's faith?
You seem to be able to accept or understand things that I don't have a grasp on yet, which is why I ask so many questions about religion. If you have a better understanding, please share. But don't mock me because I choose to question religion. And don't assume I am a non-believer because I question things like hypocrisy in religion. If you are that closed-minded, I doubt you and I will ever be able to discuss this or any other topic.
posted on October 5, 2005 03:01:12 PM
And just in case you missed it, I'll ask you all again...
If you were God and had to pick one person to go to heaven, would you pick the person that claimed to have accepted Christ and his teaching, yet didn't live that way, or would you pick the person that didn't accept Christ but lived a giving and Christ-like life?
Yes, it's a simple question, that Replay couldn't answer. Could any of you who call yourselves Christians?
posted on October 5, 2005 04:33:56 PM
kraft 'man' might be able to answer your question.
But for God, he still is a mystery in a lot of ways. If you sat and just thought of God, being there for all times, no end, no beginning, your head would start to spin, and you'd probably be spitting out pea soup.
You can though, ask God yourself. Oh,thats right, you don't believe in God.
posted on October 5, 2005 06:04:15 PMAs for Bunni's last post, I took her last sentence to mean why would Christians say they believe in God when their actions show they think he's an idiot that's being fooled by them.
Exactly.
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posted on October 5, 2005 06:48:31 PM
Near, I think about things like God, science, etc., all the time. If I didn't, I'd never want to talk about it so often.
Bunni, I guess only the truly gifted were smart enough to get your drift.
posted on October 5, 2005 06:48:55 PM
"it's a simple question, that Replay couldn't answer"
Actually, I *DID* answer, and it was the ONLY correct answer. He wouldn't choose either of them. Neither the unbeliever nor the hypocrite would get into Heaven. God doesn't HAVE to pick one or the other.
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posted on October 5, 2005 06:51:57 PM
And no, I don't believe KD is trolling or mocking anyone (Or if she is trolling, I don't mind). Mingotroll was behaving as she always does, but I have no problem with anything KD has said in this thread.
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