posted on November 17, 2005 02:21:34 PM new
Why do you find that statement so funny, KD?
I think it's wonderful to have such a close female friend, someone you can share everything in your life with....trust with your heart....your every thought. Like sisters are supposed to be....but many aren't.
posted on November 17, 2005 02:29:47 PM new
Its more like a juvenille or adolescent pasttime,helen. But nobody called bunnicula oxymoronic when she stated it as something important to her.
Its also something some people could never enjoy the coming to because they'd rather delude themselves that what they think, what they feel, what they do, is some how so special ...when all in all youre just another brick in the wall.
posted on November 17, 2005 02:34:07 PM new
Dbl...I don't have any idea what kind of secrets you are referring to...that you want to tell another woman. If I had a secret, telling another woman would be a major mistake, in my opinion.
posted on November 17, 2005 02:39:07 PM new
Dbl...if you read what I said, you will see that I called nobody oxymoronic. The PHRASE, "share secrets" is oxymoronic.
posted on November 17, 2005 02:39:23 PM new
LOL....this is just mean-spirited period.
helen...you're beginning to remind me of clinton's problem with the word "is"...and what it means.
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Main Entry: 2secret
Function: noun
1 a : something kept hidden or unexplained : MYSTERY b : something kept from the knowledge of others or shared only confidentially with a few c : a method, formula, or process used in an art or a manufacturing operation and divulged only to those of one's own company or craft d plural : the practices or knowledge making up the shared discipline or culture of an esoteric society
posted on November 17, 2005 02:44:06 PM new
Helen, if something is a "secret" telling "anybody" is a major mistake, imo. But if youre (were) talking about sharing thoughts and feelings one may not be so proud of having - or for whatever reason one feels they cannot speak of to just anybody - a large majority of people (especially of the same gender) more than likely has experienced the same thing or feelings about it. It is just too ego deflating for some to come to the realization youre not so very unique after all.
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posted on November 17, 2005 02:45:20 PM new "There is an emotional wholeness that can not be achieved until a woman finds a female friend so share her secrets with."
We thought it was FUNNY, linda. No mean spirit was intended. But then when you consider LtRay's statement carefully you may see that LtRay was being very frank about her opinion of those who do not choose to share secrets. In her opinion they are emotionally lacking. I definitely do not agree with that statement.
posted on November 17, 2005 02:49:09 PM new "But if youre (were) talking about sharing thoughts and feelings one may not be so proud of having - or for whatever reason one feels they cannot speak of to just anybody - a large majority of people (especially of the same gender) more than likely has experienced the same thing or feelings about it. It is just too ego deflating for some to come to the realization youre not so very unique after all."
I'm really interested in what kind of "thoughts and feelings one may not be so proud of having" that you want to share with another woman. Can anyone give me an example?
posted on November 17, 2005 02:50:38 PM new
Helen -
Linda & Double, do you think there's an added bonus if you have a close female friend compared to a male friend? What would be so secretive that you wouldn't be able to tell a guy friend?
posted on November 17, 2005 02:52:05 PM new
I just find it sad that you have nothing better to do than to pick apart what someone shares here....their personal feelings/thoughts on a subject. Just have to make a 'game' out of it.
Trusting someone...female or male with a secret gives that person a very high honor/gift...meaning you TRUST them with your every thought....your being.
Yes, helen, I understand you could never imagine sharing a secret with anyone....it involves trust....being trustworthy and trusting.
posted on November 17, 2005 02:59:55 PM new
KD - I believe having 'friends' of both sexes is a plus for anyone.
But yes, there is a HUGE difference between having a close relationship with another woman as compared to a man.
BECAUSE there are many things that although you can freely say/explain to a man....he, because he's a male, can NEVER understand or identify with. He has, nor will he ever experience things as females do.
Remember...women are from venus...men are from mars? We just don't THINK alike in all areas.
posted on November 17, 2005 03:02:42 PM new
Keeping secrets involves personal integrity which I don't believe that you have. The fact that you share secrets does not lead me to believe that you are trustworthy, Linda.
posted on November 17, 2005 03:08:20 PM new
LOL....not sure which way to take what you just said helen....knowing you I should probably take it in a negative way.
But being trustworthy is the MOST important thing in gaining the trust of another person when you share your deepest feelings/thoughts/actions. Knowing that it will go no further....trusting that it will go no further than your ears...makes one trustworthy.
posted on November 17, 2005 03:10:21 PM new
Linda, the term "sharing secrets" is what was so funny. Good grief.
I'm not so sure about men & women being that much different. No, guys won't know what it's like to have cramps, PMS, Pre-PMS, and all that junk, but who wants to talk about that anyway? Other than that, I don't know what would be so secretive, that I couldn't tell a guy. Can you give me a hint?
posted on November 17, 2005 03:11:03 PM newI'm really interested in what kind of "thoughts and feelings one may not be so proud of having" that you want to share with another woman. Can anyone give me an example?
Helen, you will have to ask bunni or LTRay. I have to pay somebody (a psychiatrist) to listen to my secrets*.
posted on November 17, 2005 03:16:45 PM new
lol...dbl...she wants you to share your secrets...right here...in front of her and everyone else...that way they could 'feast' on them.
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Because you, KD, would choose to share secrets about female things with a man....does NOT mean all women would. There are many women who can't even talk about say bj's with their closest girlfriends....let alone a man. And there are plenty of thing men can NEVER identify with...that only women experience BECAUSE they're female. They have no way of relating to the actual 'event' because they've never experienced it. Say a secret abortion or anything really.
posted on November 17, 2005 03:29:56 PM new Linda, yeah, Abundanza buffet for the pen hecking bunch!
But I surmise people without friends utimately wind-up paying a professional to listen to their bs. Then they get sent on their way with psychotropic drugs and told to return next week on the same day...hmmm..wonder if that sounds familiar to anyone? kraft?
posted on November 17, 2005 03:42:47 PM new
"but I dont visit too many porn sites (although I did hit on one yesterday - some russian thing looking for something else, and I think I had to run a cleaner like 5 times to get that stuff off my computer"
posted on November 17, 2005 03:47:35 PM new
lol classic, no, my husband hardly comes near this computer, but with the amount of time I spend over here b.s. chatting - I am in big trouble when and if he ever does! btw, my husband does not have a thing for porn..he is into doing it not watching it like a real a godly man, yanno
posted on November 17, 2005 04:29:40 PM newThere is an emotional wholeness that can not be achieved until a woman finds a female friend so share her secrets with.
Allright, i see that you women need the Chick Whisperer to explain LtRay's statement. What she meant by that is that most women have a need to talk to another woman about the men in their lives. They seem to have this need to talk about things that they cannot talk to a man about. Things like emotions or a lack thereof, whichever the case may be. They need to talk about sex, and all that constitutes it and the emotional attachment that women place on it, whereas men don't place as much of an emotional attachment to it. Women can't talk about these things with most of their male friends because when the subject gets around to sex, men will want to hear all about it in great detail and then all of a sudden Mr. Johnson enters into the conversation and the guy is just going to want sex because we have a tendency, sometimes to think with our Herman the one eyed Germans.
Ok now LtRay, tell me that i'm right.
I thought her statement was kinda funny also but not for the same reasons that others thought it was. I thought it was funny because women have this need to talk about the men in their lives but yet us men don't have that same need, to talk about our women, and why is it that women have this need?
posted on November 17, 2005 04:37:11 PM new
Because women are more caring than the average man. We do not "bottle up" every little thing and then blow up. We talk about things that bother us.
posted on November 17, 2005 04:45:26 PM new
Twig, that doesnt explain why you have the need to talk about those things with another woman and why do you allways have to have these kind of talks over a big plate of brownies??
posted on November 17, 2005 05:02:39 PM newThe Chick Whisperer???? LOL
And somehow I just don't see someone with the userid beginning with 'twig' as being one who often munches out on brownies.
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But I will agree that it's difficult to talk to some men about really deep thoughts/feelings/hopes and dreams as they aren't willing to listen. If it's not about them or sex....their attitude seems to be 'take it to your girlfriend' and talk to them about it.
And women and men have been trying their darnest to figure one another out...what makes them 'tick'...since the days of Adam and Eve.
I think most adults know what they're looking for in a relationship....some just sex...others a real caring, loving committment. More women would be happy in that situation than men are. All many of them really need is a recliner, TV, drink of their choice and sex on demand. Other than that....take it to your girlfriends.
Fleiss Plans a Brothel to Serve Women
# The former Hollywood madam and a partner hope to open 'Heidi's Stud Farm' in Nevada.
By Shawn Hubler, Times Staff Writer
Former Hollywood madam Heidi Fleiss bid farewell to Los Angeles on Wednesday, and put out the word: She's looking for a few good men.
In a move bound to hearten aspiring Deuce Bigalows the world over, Fleiss said she is joining with a Nevada brothel owner to open the state's first house of prostitution in which men cater to women.
Fleiss, whose partner notified Nye County officials of the plan this week, said they will charge $250 an hour and call it "Heidi's Stud Farm."
"Women are more independent these days; they make more money and it's hard to meet people," Fleiss said as she packed for what she said would be a permanent move to Nevada.
"You wouldn't believe the number of women who've told me, 'Heidi, if you do this, I'll be the first one in line!' I mean, relationships are harder than dieting, you know what I mean?"
The daughter of a Los Feliz pediatrician, Fleiss became notorious in the 1990s for running a prostitution ring catering to show business people and international businessmen. She eventually was convicted on charges of money laundering, pandering and tax evasion. She was released in 1999, after serving 21 months in prison.
Fleiss — who has capitalized on her notoriety as a madam — has been exploring the possibility of opening a legitimate business near Las Vegas.
She soon turned to the oldest of trades again, which is legal in parts of Nevada. But she shied from buying an existing brothel when the going prices were too high. She then said she might build her own brothel on 60 acres she owns near Pahrump, but determined that it would be more profitable as housing.
Eventually, she made a deal with Joe Richards, who owns three Nevada brothels, in part to prove she would run a clean business. There's also the felony hitch. State law allows counties to refuse a brothel license to convicted felons. County Commissioner Candace Trummell said Wednesday that county attorneys were looking at the proposal, and it was unclear whether the plan would be approved.
Fleiss' Las Vegas attorney, Richard Schonfeld, said state law allows for some discretion, and her partner, a 30-year brothel operator, has said Fleiss' name would not be on the license. Her role would be more promotional, and her job title would be "hostess/madam," Richards added. Brothel employees, both men said, are typically subjected to a far lesser degree of legal scrutiny.
In a letter to the Nye County Liquor and Licensing Board, Richards also said the business would not be a new one. He and Fleiss would remodel and change the name of one of his existing bordellos, which is now a bar and a collection of trailers called the Cherry Patch about 20 miles north of Pahrump.
Fleiss added that she plans to swap the bordello's Western theme for a more Hollywood look, with waterfalls and palm trees. "It's gonna be like Leo DiCaprio in 'The Aviator,' " she said, "and I'm going to put out a casting call for about 20 guys — I bet I get thousands of applicants."
Richards said in the letter that a male brothel would "address an ever-increasing fact of life," because "society is witnessing a unique evolution of the female gender reaching out for the same service we now offer male clients." In an interview, he elaborated: "Say a guy gets into an argument with his wife. What does he do? Lot of times, he goes out, gets a drink, goes to a place to be serviced. Now women can say, 'Hey, if you can do it, I can too.' "
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